Science without religion is lame.
Religion without science is blind.
- Albert Einstein
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Science without religion is lame.
Religion without science is blind.
- Albert Einstein
siSTAR, you're gonna hate me.... :oQuote:
Originally Posted by siSTARindigo
I was just reading what somebody was saying about that exact quote, here it is:
"Kristof (some author) also misinterprets Einstein's famous statement, suggesting that Einstein was voicing respect for religious credulity. Science without religion is lame, merely because "science can only be created by those who are thoroughly imbued with the aspiration toward truth and understanding. This source of feeling, however, springs from the sphere of religion." Whereas religion without science is blind because religion has no access to the truth -- it was, to Einstein's mind, nothing other than this "source of feeling," this striving for something greater that cannot itself be scientifically justified. Faith, therefore, is hunger only; while reason is its food.
Einstein seemed to consider faith nothing more than a eunuch left to guard the harem while the intellect was away solving the problems of the world. By pretending that it could proceed without any epistemic aspirations whatsoever, Eisnstein robbed religion of the truth of its doctrine. In so doing, he also relieved it of its capacity to err. This is not the faith that evangelicals, or any other reigious believers, have ever practiced. See Einstein, Ideas and Opinions (New York: Wing Books, 1954), 41-49."
Well, I'm not saying anyone knows what Einstein was really thinking, but here's another interpretation... And you can read Einstein's book (I haven't) to see if this is bullshit or not.
No, That is good! That is what I like to see :) Good point.
Honestly, I just posted it because I thought it was funny, as far as all the discussions lately. It's even funnier now that you found that. What timing huh?
Eva
Wanna laugh even more? It's by the same author as the quote I posted in the other thread... I guess when people debate something, they always exaggerate their point a little for dramatic effect :)Quote:
Originally Posted by siSTARindigo
Well I didn't know it was the same guy....That blows it all out of the water then.
I guess we need the 20/20 rule for ALL articles, not just the bible.
And do you read anything BUT what this guy writes? Because you have yet to quote anyone but him.
Eva
:DQuote:
Originally Posted by siSTARindigo
I go through phases, I get obsessed about one author for about a month, then I move on. :stoned:
Einstein was NOT religious at all.
http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/quotes/einstein.htm
It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.
-- Albert Einstein, 1954, from Albert Einstein: The Human Side, edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman, Princeton University Press
Scientific research is based on the idea that everything that takes place is determined by laws of nature, and therefore this holds for the action of people. For this reason, a research scientist will hardly be inclined to believe that events could be influenced by a prayer, i.e. by a wish addressed to a Supernatural Being.
-- Albert Einstein, 1936, responding to a child who wrote and asked if scientists pray. Source: Albert Einstein: The Human Side, Edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffmann
What about reality being ones perception. That IS what reality is. People all over the world precieve things differently, from the bible, to a quote, the meaning behind a song, the real reason Hilary Clinton stays with Bill.........
The whole world will never agree on not one thing. There will always be somone there to tell you your wrong. Or what your doing is wrong. Or what you think, or feel is wrong.
The fact of the matter is, we are each different in everysingle way. That is why it is okay to pick what resonates within one self. Because all reality is, is your perception of it. And Our perceptions are shaped throughout are years, and various experiences.
Eva
Wether or not he was religious, I would say no. Spiritual? Maybe.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat
Per your link I found another quote by Einstein:
"I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings.
-- Albert Einstein, following his wife's advice in responding to Rabbi Herbert Goldstein of the International Synagogue in New York, who had sent Einstein a cablegram bluntly demanding "Do you believe in God?" Quoted from and citation notes derived from Victor J. Stenger, Has Science Found God? (draft: 2001), chapter 3.
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Spinoza's God, Individual Choice and Society
by James Craig Green
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The following is a bit of philosophy inspired by the Dutch philospher Spinoza, modified by my own interpretation and experience:
NATURE is everything. There is mass, energy, atoms, molecules, life, thought, people, societies, galaxies and perhaps even multiple universes (pure speculation). But there is nothing outside nature, including spiritual visions and other phenomena we don't yet understand. If they exist, they are part of nature.
Spinoza asserted that for a concept of god to make any sense at all, it must simply be nature. That is, god cannot be something outside nature that controls it, but must necessarily be part of it. According to Spinoza, God IS nature. While Spinoza was excommunicated from his Jewish community in Amsterdam and condemned by Christians as well for being an atheist, he was very devoutly religious. He saw the traditional anthropomorphic (man-like) god as an abomination, completely rejecting the wonder of nature, from which life comes. To Spinoza, nature is the true expression of God. And each of us is part of it. Unfortunately, his highly technical, mathematical style of writing limited widespread appreciation of his work.
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Is god Nature/energy? Is Everything nature/energy? Could energy be god, rather than god being energy? We are all part of god, we are all energy......we can all be broken down into elements/nature.
Reference the original post for God and energy ;)
Jaymi
Well I know Einstein fled Germany because he was jewish. but that's about as much as I know about his faith. but I don't really care, I think it's silly how everybody now uses einstein's quotes to justify themselves. The man was a genius and understood the physical universe like no other, that doesn't mean his word is unquestionable and superior to everybody on every subject.
He was not reallhy "jewish" in a religous sense - he was a German, but some of his ancestors belonged to the Jewish faith - at least for a relativly short time in human history that this religion has existed. I'm not an expert on Einstein's life, but I would imagine that he would have been made to work for the Nazi's had he been in Germany. He became a citizen of Switzerland, in 1901, and eventually (1940) of the United States. He made F.D.R. aware of the possibility of a German-made Atomic Bomb. Although he was not a religous nut, he was a Zionist, and supported the idea of a Jewish State. He was a pacifist and humanitarian, as well. A very complex man, this Albert Einstein.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrdevious
An Albert Einstein Chronology
1879 (March 14) Born in Ulm, Germany, to Hermann Einstein (1847-1902) and Pauline Koch (1858-1920).
1880 Einsteins move to Munich.
1881 Sister Maja (Maria) born (d. 1951).
1888 Enters Luitpold school in Munich.
1894 Family moves to Italy, Albert stays at Luitpold.
1895 Rejoins family in Pavia, then goes to cantonal school in Aarau, Switzerland.
1896 Renounces German citizenship.
Gets diploma from Aarau, enrolls at ETH (Federal Institute of Technology) in Zurich.
1900 Gets diploma from ETH.
1901 Becomes Swiss citizen.
1902 Employed at patent office, Bern.
1903 Marries Mileva Maric (1875-1948). They have two sons, Hans Albert (1904-1973), who became a successful hydraulic engineer, and Eduard (1910-1965), who fell prey to incurable schizophrenia. A daughter (1902-?) was born before the marriage and apparently put up for adoption--her fate is unknown.
1905 Publishes in the Annalen der Physik:
-?ber einen die Erzeugung und Verwandlung des Lichtes betreffenden heuristishen Gesichtspunkt, on the quantum of light and the photo-electric effect.
-Die von der molekularkinetischen Theorie der Wärme geforderte Bewegung von in ruhenden Flüssigkeiten suspendierten Teilchen, on Brownian motion of particles and atomic theory.
-Elektrodynamic bewegter Körper, the special theory of relativity.
-Ist die Trägheit eines Körpers von seinem Energieeinhalt abhängig?, equivalence of mass and energy.
1907 -Planckshe Theorie der Strahlung und die Theorie der spezifische Wärme, quantum theory for solids (specific heats).
-Relativitätsprinzip und die aus demselben gezogenen Folgerungen, the principle of general relativity--gravitation is equivalent to acceleration.
1909 Becomes associate professor at University of Zurich.
Further work on quantum theory.
1911 Becomes full professor at Karl-Ferdinand University in Prague.
Predicts bending of starlight at eclipses (but gets the magnitude wrong).
1912 Becomes professor at the ETH in Zurich.
1914 Becomes professor at University of Berlin.
Separates from Mileva and sons.
Outbreak of First World War.
1915 Cosigns "Manifesto to Europeans" separating himself from German militarism.
-Feldgleichungen der Gravitation, the general relativity equations.
1916 -Die Grundlage der allgemeinen Relativitätstheorie, book laying out the general theory of relativity.
Becomes president of the German Physical Society.
-Quantentheorie der Strahlung, derives momentum carried by light quanta; a 1917 paper with the same title explains stimulated emission.
1917 Becomes director of Kaiser-Wilhelm Institute (which supports research in Germany).
-Kosmologische Betrachtungen zur allgemeinen Relativitätstheorie, cosmology equations with the "cosmological term" and expanding universe.
1918 End of First World War; revolution in Germany.
1919 Divorced from Mileva. Marries his cousin Elsa Einstein Löwenthal (1876-1936). Her adult daughters by a previous marriage, Ilse (1897-1934) and Margot (1899-1986), had already legally taken the name Einstein.
Bending of light near sun observed at eclipse.
1920 Public attacks on relativity theory and Einstein by anti-Semites.
1921 First visit to United States.
1922 Works on unified field theory.
Visits Far East.
Awarded Nobel Prize in physics "for his services to theoretical physics and in particular for his discovery of the law of the photo-electric effect."
1924 Inauguration of Einstein Institute with "Einstein Tower" in Potsdam.
-Quantentheorie des einigatomigen idealen Gases, the "Bose-Einstein" quantum theory of statistical fluctuations.
1927 Begins dialogue on quantum theory interpretation with Niels Bohr at the fifth Solvay Congress.
1929-Einheitliche Feldtheorie, widely publicized attempt to unify gravitational and electromagnetic field theories.
1930 Extended visit to United States, chiefly at the California Institute of Technology.
1932 Appointed professor at Institute for Advanced Study, Princeton, intending to divide time between there and Berlin.
1933 Nazis come to power in Germany; Einstein settles in United States.
1935 -Can quantum-mechanical description of physical reality be considered complete? (with B. Podolsky and N. Rosen), continuing the debate over interpretation.
1936 Death of Elsa.
1939 Outbreak of Second World War; Einstein signs letter to President Roosevelt warning of possibility of atomic bombs.
1940 Becomes citizen of United States (retaining Swiss citizenship).
1945 Atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki; end of Second World War.
1946 Serves as chairman of Emergency Committee of Atomic Scientists.
1948 -Generalized theory of gravitation, an example of continuing attempts to find a more universal mathematical approach to field theory.
1952 Offered presidency of Israel, and declines.
1955 (April 18) Dies in Princeton.
Einstein was a smart mother fucker, you know he said that he acctually figured out a way to create objects with 0 mass..he could not prove it though because everytime he created one it would fly through his roof and probably out into space somewhere or underground.
, who said:Quote:
Originally Posted by PureEvil760
??The prestige of government has undoubtedly been lowered considerably by
the prohibition law. For nothing is more destructive of respect for the
government and the law of the land than passing laws which cannot be
enforced.?
- Albert Einstein ??
You give them off all the time. In the infared.Quote:
Originally Posted by PureEvil760
Word has it he created flubber too.Quote:
Originally Posted by PureEvil760
:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by siSTARindigo
What is is with stalker on this site. You piss someone off in one place and the look up everypost of yours just to add something stupid......
Shelbay, your just mad cause I am hot, and you are not...... ;)
hey moon, just out of curiousity, who is "TD" in your siggy...?
Jack Black from Tenacious DQuote:
Originally Posted by Stoner Shadow Wolf