Please express yourself on the issue...where do you stand? Obviously i am talking about those cartoons...
Thanks!
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Please express yourself on the issue...where do you stand? Obviously i am talking about those cartoons...
Thanks!
No muslims here huh?
I dont know many Muslims (except black muslims) that delve into Drugs. Sure they grow it like its grass in Afghanistan, but they are only supplying it. Drug use is a major nono in the Muslim religion
yea but i think eg42one is one and nicholasstanko also...
LoL--Are you tryin to flame me-are you sure you want to flame?---What did I say that made you think I was one, because I put out info that tells another story...Im not tryin to defend the arabs and there cartoon rage its not a winnable debate(not in this forum anyways). i just thought people with reason would want to hear the connection to the cartoon. AHHHHHHH whatever:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by daves19
flame you?? not sure of what it means!! but whjatever you say! it's only that when we had a lil debate on other thread you seemed to have the same argument as they have out there!! so you know it's normal for me to think you are and I respect it! but i want to know to who i am talking!Quote:
Originally Posted by eg420ne
and what about the cartoon connection?? think i missed something could you please update me?? you know i am not trying to pick on anybody, especially not muslims i want to hear non extremist and what they have to say about this issue...not even trying to win any debate here!!
so if you were (not meaning you weren't) frustrated calm it down, i am not "flaming" anybody...just curious!! Peace out dude!
Keep on posting other side of stories, it's good for a certain balance on this forum, after all if we all agreed on everything it would be boring!!!:dance:
No I can say im am not an arab but i do get asked all the time if i am, except when i go to NC where they think im a tanned redneck.....
Theres tooo much weirdness with these cartoons, I pointed out yesterday that the person who publish them cartoons was connected to the neo-cons in America, and i said its all staged because the neo-cons need more war, sum of the cartoon werent even publish but the news media forgot to point that out and sum were faked like the one with the pig face from france its fake.... Were being DUPED by our Governments you notice how france had them riots a few months back it was staged now france said they want to nuke sum1 were b4 they didnt care, just like the danish they didnt care until this retarded shit came out, now they will be on board will the PNAC plan.
Im just sayin its all staged hooked line and sinker- that bait was good mmmm 911 taste good... just sayin because You never know, should i quote Donald Rumsfailed or what.....
http://kurtnimmo.com/?p=211
Flemming Rose and the Straussian Art of Provocation
Tuesday February 07th 2006, 3:24 pm
As suspected, and claimed on this blog over the weekend, the inflammatory anti-Muslim cartoons published in the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten were a deliberate provocation designed to outrage and incite Muslims and thus engender support in Europe and America for the manufactured ??clash of civilizations? engineered by the Straussian neocons. As Christopher Bollyn writes for the American Free Press, the neocon operative behind the cartoon scheme is Flemming Rose, cultural editor of Jyllands-Posten, who has ??has clear ties to the Zionist Neo-Cons.? Rose ??traveled to Philadelphia in October 2004 to visit Daniel Pipes, the Neo-Con ideologue who says the only path to Middle East peace will come through a total Israeli military victory. Rose then penned a positive article about Pipes, who compares ??militant Islam?? with fascism and communism,? Bollyn reveals.
Daniel Pipes is one of the more virulent and hateful of the Straussian neocons, famous for his racist and xenophobic statement that Muslim immigrants are ??brown-skinned peoples cooking strange foods and not exactly maintaining Germanic standards of hygiene,? an attitude straight out of the Nazi school of racial hyperbole (a philosophy embraced by no small number of Jabotinsky Likudites and their fellow travelers among the traitorous Straussian neocons).
Bollyn continues:
??Agents of certain persuasion? are behind the egregious affront to Islam in order to provoke Muslims, Professor Mikael Rothstein of the University of Copenhagen told the BBC. The key ??agent? is Flemming Rose, the cultural editor of JP, who commissioned cartoonists to produce the blasphemous images and then published them in Denmark??s leading morning paper last September?.
Rose told the international paper owned by The New York Times that ??he would not publish a cartoon of Israel??s Ariel Sharon strangling a Palestinian baby, since that could be construed as ??racist.???
As Daniel Pipes and his ilk have repeatedly demonstrated, it is not racist to characterize Arabs and Muslims as ??brown-skinned peoples? suffering from bad hygiene, although it is a crime to take the apartheid state of Israel to task for murdering Palestinian children. But then, as Lenni Brenner has documented, the followers of Ze??ev Jabotinsky??and his political creation, the reactionary Likud Party in Israel??are not only well versed in fascism, but murderous racism as well.
As for the unapologetic stance of the Danes in regard to publishing the cartoons, Bollyn comments:
There is clearly a more sinister reason why the Danish Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen refuses to issue a formal apology as demanded by Arab and Muslim governments. The hard-line position taken by Rasmussen, an ally in the ??war on terror,? has more to do with advancing the ??clash of civilizations? than defending free speech in Europe?.
There is a deeper reason behind the publication of the offensive cartoons. Given the unapologetic position taken by the Danish government and the editors it appears very likely that tension with Islamic nations will increase and the international crisis will deepen. This is, after all, exactly what the global planners behind the ??clash of civilizations? want.
The completely predictable reaction among Muslims sets the stage for violence and ??false-flag? terror attacks as Europeans prepare to host the Olympics in Turin, Italy. The Turin-based La Stampa irresponsibly published the cartoons on Feb. 1, two days after Milan??s Corriere della Sera.
The anti-Islamic cartoon scandal is no laughing matter. If and when a terror attack does occur and the cartoons and angry Muslims are blamed for being the cause, the reason they were published will become clear. Europeans will become increasingly polarized and hostility to Islam will grow.
Of course, as the Straussian neocons prepare the next phase of their total war against Islam master plan??attacking Iran and possibly soon after Syria??tacit support from Europe will be a plus, especially after the false flag Gladio-like terror attacks in Madrid produced undesirable results (the Spanish people rejected José Mar*a Aznar, a neocon toady and grandson of a prominent fascist journalist).
So if terror attacks do indeed occur during the Olympics in Turin, we can point an accusatory finger quite naturally in the direction of the Straussian neocons, linked to Operation Gladio terrorism through Michael Ledeen, who is connected to Francesco Pazienza and the P2 Masonic Lodge responsible for the CIA-NATO sponsored Strategy of Tension terrorism campaign in Italy (an Italian criminal court convicted Pazienza in 1985 of political manipulation, forgery, and the protection of criminals and terrorists, among other offenses, in relation to the Gladio bombing of a Bologna train station, killing more than 80 people; see Jeff Wells?? Rigorous Intuition).
??One of P-2??s specialties was the art of provocation,? writes Mark Zepezauer. ??Leftist organizations like the Red Brigades were infiltrated, financed and / or created, and the resulting acts of terrorism, like the assassination of Italy??s premier in 1978 and the bombing of the railway station in Bologna in 1980, were blamed on the left. The goal of this ??strategy of tension?? was to convince Italian voters that the left was violent and dangerous??by helping make it so.?
In the same way, the Straussian neocons, taking a page from the P-2 provocation playbook, are attempting to convince Europeans and Americans that Muslims are ??violent and dangerous? by ??helping make it so,? as Bollyn??s revelations about Flemming Rose??s role in the inflammatory publication of the anti-Muslim cartoons in Jyllands-Posten and other newspapers make obvious.
New Evidence Suggests Muslim Riots Are Staged Psyop
Paul Joseph Watson/Prison Planet.com | February 8 2006
As news breaks of four more demonstrators being shot dead in Kabul, fresh evidence has surfaced lending credibility to the assertion that the Muslim riots are a staged psyop or at the very least based on false pretenses.
Yesterday leading Russian MP Vladimir Zhirinovsky said that the riots were a manufactured psychological operation on the part of the US in an attempt to enlist hardened EU support for a military strike against Iran.
As first highlighted by this website and others, more evidence has come to light that confirms fake and misleading caricatures were bundled in with the more tame cartoons that were printed in Danish newspapers. Muslims were misled into believing that all the images were printed in newspapers when they were not.
World Net Daily reports,
"One of three especially inflammatory but undocumented Muhammad images distributed by a Danish imam as an example of an "anti-Muslim environment" in the European country turns out to be a poorly reproduced copy of an Associated Press photo taken at a French pig-squealing contest."
"The weblog NeanderNews pointed out the image used by Imam Ahmad Abu Laban was a faxed copy of AP's Aug. 15 photo of Jacques Barrot competing at the annual French Pig-Squealing Championships in Trie-sur-Baise."
Another two images which were erroneously added to the caricatures that were actually carried by the newspapers depict Muhammad as a pedophile demon and a dog raping a praying Muslim.
Were the misleading images intended to add fuel to the fire? Many have pointed out that depictions of Muhammad appear universally throughout the world. A stone sculpture in the US depicting Muhammad has been in place since the 1930's. An Australian newspaper piece lists depictions of Muhammad, both flattering and insulting that appear regularly in the West and beyond.
"From Ottoman religious icons to market stalls in Iran, from the US Supreme Court building to the South Park cartoon, Mohammed has been frequently portrayed in flattering and unflattering lights."
Many painters, including William Blake, Gustave Dore, Auguste Rodin and Salvador Dali, have depicted Mohammed in illustrations of Dante's Inferno, where the Muslim prophet ends up in hell with his entrails hanging out."
Why the outrage now? And why were more degrading images that were not even printed thrown into the mix?
The US government is no stranger to using falsely attributed paraphernalia to fan the flames of racial tension. During the Vietnam era civil rights struggle, the FBI mass mailed coloring books that were attributed to the Black Panthers. The books portrayed white people as pigs and encouraged blacks to violently attack and kill them. Primarily mailed to white neighborhoods, the books had the effect of turning middle class sentiment against the black rights movement and leading to support of enhanced authoritarian crackdown.
The feasibility of demonstrators in Gaza having immediate access to a plethora of pristine Danish flags as soon as the furore began has also been put under scrutiny.
A CNN International news anchor reported that the United Nations had foreknowledge that protests in Beirut were going to erupt on Sunday.
"ANTHONY MILLS, CNN INTERNATIONAL: My understanding is, as well, that UN sources were reporting this morning that this was going to be a chaotic day, if you will... Or, certainly they were reporting --they were suggesting -- their workers shouldn't go to work today."
So, indications in advance, I think, probably that something was going to happen here, that some form or sort of violent protest might erupt."
As we reported on Monday, images of Muslims with signs that read "freedom go to hell" and "Europe, take some lessons from from 9/11" are playing right into the hands of the Globalists by enabling them to hold up examples of how the Muslims are dangerous barbarians who wish to take away our liberties and need to be dealt with.
Violent Muslim demonstrators should be aware that they are sowing the seeds of their own destruction by allowing the media to portray them as freedom hating, brutal and out of control. This ensures increased support for future wars that primarily target Muslim and Persian majority countries.
The seemingly artificial origins of the protests betray the true agenda behind the very real chaos that we now see engulfing the Middle East and Europe.
well here the media didn't forget to point it out...but what they say is those that weren't publish were sent directly to some important people in the muslim community, and they said it was published in a danish news letter...Quote:
Originally Posted by eg420ne
but you are right, a lot of things are weird about those cartoons but, still, does it really justify this violent behaviour??
please answer me objectively on this one! as i said i am not trying to win any debate here...
Does anything justify any1s behaviour- if U.S. was such a christian nation they would of never attacked Iraq....See how when the Iraq war was about to take place all the right-wing christians were like they(the people of iraq) live in a dictatorship and saddam is mad but after the war started these same rightwingers started talking about making Iraq into a glass parking lot(I know I personally heard them sayin it)....In the words of Rodney King-Why cant we all just get along....
I dont think its justify and i never said it was justify of what the arabs are doing, i said in the beginning that it was funny that there be outrage over cartoons, But i said its all STAGED....
yeah but removing saddam from where he was is a good thing, even though it doesn't justify a war..we all know this war was to have a foot in the middle east door...but americans are americans, in this context we are talking about danish's life threatened, and they never did anything that much wrong...even if it's all staged, muslim are still in control of their faith, if they didn't do any violent protest no "war" would have started...maybe neo-cons would have try to stage something else but we would have better evidence of this hypocrisy than those maybe staged cartoon...Quote:
Originally Posted by eg420ne
i think on this cartoon issue things are still not clear and too confused to say wether it's staged or not...but still, i msut agree with that freedom of speech thing, muslims are none of our business, as much as any other religions trying to dictate our lives...we must be free to live in the living world, not the dead one...let's have a puff on this!
quote-we must be free to live in the living world, not the dead one...let's have a puff on this!
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Nice words I can agree on:thumbsup: :stoned:
thanks i see in you a better opening of your mind than some others, on this issue...won't name anybody...Quote:
Originally Posted by eg420ne
high life dude!