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I just watched the documentary on Bear enthusiast Timothy Treadwell, and I must say its inspirational and motivating. I have a ton of respect for the man, he was nature's perfect servant....I wish the best for his family.
Just wanted some feedback from anyone thats watched the film???
(in case you havent figure it out, I have a deep respect and love for animals)
i have seen commercials for that i wanna watch it but i have little time
im watching it this sunday ive been waiting for it to come onto discovery and finally that day has come, to bad i already know the end.....poor guy
as much as I enjoyed the film tonight, Im deeply saddened by all of itQuote:
Originally Posted by 420purplehaze420
and I know we'll get the "he deserved it" comments, and thats ok, I asked for opinions
great great film IMO...I think all the time he spent out in the wilderness however kind of drove him crazy, i mean it's so hard to imagine what it would be like living in the wilderness for months ALONE...I respect Tim greatly and highly suggest to anyone who hasn't seen it, to go out and rent it.
I watched most of it too. Very good. Reminds me a lot of the book "Into The Wild" the true story of Chris McCandless (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/038...Fencoding=UTF8) who was also mentally unstable and went to Alaska and died. I recommend that book to everyone!!
I will say this about the Discovery Channel. The amount of commercials they ran during "Grizzly Man" was just down right insulting to everyone that tried to watch it!! It really pissed me off, that is why I am downloading it and going to watch it that way. Seriously they were showing more commercials than show and I just refuse to sit through that kind of crap. It was about double the normal amount of commercials they show for their other programming. I really wish more people would just not tolerate that level of commercialization. After all Timothy Treadwell didn??t make ANYTHING for what he did and he certainly would not be happy with the discovery channel for doing this!
Anyway I am looking forward to watching this commercial free so I can actually follow it, my download finishes in 19 mins.
I agree with the commercial comment, and I'll be sure to check out that book you mentioned, thanx!!Quote:
Originally Posted by BaseRSX
fuck i saw the previews for that yesterday, and forgot to watch it.:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by smoke ranger
yeah i watched bout an hour ago, it was pretty good, sad that he is dead
Yeah, trust me if this show moved you at all the book "Into the Wild" will in a big way. Everyone I know that has read it is the same way. It one of those things that you cant get out of your mind for weeks after you finish it.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoke ranger
And I don??t mean to take away from "Grizzly Man" or Treadwell but Treadwell and McCandless's stories are so extreamly similar and the book about McCandless just covers a lot more than this movie did about Treadwell. It would be so interesting to know if Treadwell read "Into the Wild", given the subject matter, Alaskan location, and its popularity when it came out I can not imagine that he didn??t read it. That makes both that much more interesting.
Awesome documentary,,,vivid filming of wildlife :smokin: he knew the chances he was taken living out in the wild....Bless both Tim n Amy & their families :cool:
screw that im gunna download it then, i rather watch it on my hunk of junk computer with no comercials then on the big screen with commercials
Yeah trust me you don??t want to try to watch it on Discovery. I honestly don??t think I have ever seen anything with that many commercials, its way more than Discovery does for all their other shows. Seriously EVERYONE should e-mail Discovery and tell them how insulted there were by that. I am going to right now, here is the link where you can do it! - http://extweb.discovery.com/viewerrelationsQuote:
Originally Posted by 420purplehaze420
LOL here is what I just sent the Dicovery channel -
I tried to watch ??Grizzle Man? tonight but was just shocked and insulted by the amount of commercials you ran during this show!! This is absolutely unacceptable given that we as cable subscribers are all ready paying just to get this channel!! You were obviously running near twice the amount of commercials during this movie as you do for your other programming! How can you do this in good conscience when the person this show was about, Tim Treadwell, made nothing on this and made a point over and over that he wanted to only educate people about the wilderness for free!??!
You people wonder why illegal downloads are so prevalent, and yes this show ??Grizzly Man? is a popular download right now. This amount of commercial is absolutely unacceptable and I am going to encourage everyone I know, that pays for cable, to do something about it!!
Signed a VERY pissed off cable paying subscriber!
lol tell those bastards! i just was looking on the guide and turns out its on tonight at 1 so im just gunna watch it since my internet connection is pretty shitty right now. 18 minutes in and its the first break and i can tell its going to be awhile so im gunna brake out the coffee grinder and pack up the bong
crazy shit how they found tim and his girlfriend, that bear must have been a psycho, that plane driver actually saw the bear eating them, that would be nasty
so anyone who gets discovery watch this crap its only 20 minutes in and not a whole lot has happened
Dude ... "Grizzley Man" ... is the worst thing I have ever watched in my life.
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Originally Posted by notrightquite
I think the man was fucking nuts. This is the guy who lived with the bears every year right?
I haven't seen the film but have heard some of the details and that bear was no psycho, it was just being a bear. Bears are omnivores which means they will eat just about anything. The guy was a fool for ever getting that close to bears of any kind without some kind of backup (ie..44 magnum) Bears, grizzlys and especially black bears are one of the most unpresictable animals on the planet and are not to be messed with by amateurs. The taxpayers spend millions every year saving the asses of these weekend warriors who venture in to the wilderness with a cellphone and no clue as to what they are doing. One of the goals of the forest service is to keep the human/animal contact down to a bare minimum as it screws up the natural habits of the animals. As we all know, when people mess with other cultures or species the outcome is always bad. (see Iraq, Native Americans, South American tribes, etc) Sadly, the man was a fool for going in to that territory without knowing what he was doing. The only thing that kept him alive for as long as he lived was blind dumb luck. My father realized years later that he made a mistake taking myself and my brother in to the Montana wilderness 30 years ago without being better prepared and bringing some sort of defensive weapon and he built the trail that we hiked that summer. He still thanks the stars that we all came out in one piece.Quote:
Originally Posted by 420purplehaze420
yeah i watch the discovery channel on a regular basis i know the behaviour of bears but this bear apparently didnt like tim and it basically shredded them to peices and they got 4 garbage bags full of people out of its stomach, but this guy was special he had a bond with animals or somthing a fox would never let you go up and pet it but this guy has a friend that is a fox and he talks to it and it comes up and lets him pet it like a cat and they hang out ontop of his tent.Quote:
Originally Posted by bonsaiguy
Well it was made out to be like he was something special ... he was a pansy ass little weird boy who couldn't accept that he likes men, and that he had no greater asparation in life than to be a prissy actor. He failed. So he took the easy way out and basically committed suicide by agitating bears who were hungry and near their hybernation time.Quote:
Originally Posted by 420purplehaze420
He didn't deserve to have the time wasted on him for the movie to be made. He was a fuckup, and nothing more. Those animals never needed his protection, and he was worthless for anything but food.
It could have been any bear. Not just the one that killed him. True there have been some bears, sharks, tigers etc that have developed a taste for human flesh but this guy was living on borrowed time. As for the fox, there will always be people and animals who have an affinity for each other but a fox can't eat you and most adults could defend themselves against a fox or even a single wolf or large dog. Kwai Chang Cain, Bruce Lee or the Rock would have been defenseless against a bear without some kind of weapon. They are either food or a threat. Even wild animals who are raised from birth by humans have, on many occasions turned on their benefactors for no apparent reason. And that is the key...reason. They have little capacity for reason, only instinct.Quote:
Originally Posted by 420purplehaze420
I didnt like it at all except for the fact its about nature. Tim really didnt bring anything new to the table, I was expecting something entirely different than the usual bear habitat doc., using the played out gimmick of suspense by getting as close as possible to the actual creature. I watch a lot of the Discovery/Times, NG, The Science Channel, etc. type channels stoned n have seen my share of bear as well as other animal documentaries n i gotta say this wasnt anything worthy of being put on a pedestal, kinda crappy too. Also, the guy himself I found annoying, right off the bat his character seemed feeble n too flaky. LMAO, i tuned out when he started getting too sentimental over nothing, then talking about his emotions n how his life would be easier if he were a chick, then going on actuallly making slight effort to justify hes not gay, seeming like he was trying to convince himself more than the viewer. That part did it, that quick I got tired of his undisciplined mentality n needless emotional discourse. For a while they were airing a program [Going Tribal i think] of a guy becoming somewhat family with various indigenous tribes, going along with their lifestyle, even in mind-altering rituals [fav part]. That too wasnt a brand new concept, but it was the latest n most detailed of its kind, worth the view.
You guys seem to be saying you liked or disliked it based on if you liked or disliked Tim Treadwell! That is not the point. This was a great film about a true story about an obviously disturbed man that did something extraordinary. You don??t have to like him or what he did to like this movie. And obviously you did like the movie even though you are bashing the guy or you would have turned it off in the first half hour?. It was on for like 3 hours!!
Why would you care one way or the other if he was gay or not?!?! It was very clear that he was not a sane person, and if his mental instability had anything to do with being gay or not that??s fine but why would you judge him?? He is dead, what he did was stupid but also pretty amazing. Living with grizzly??s for 13 years is an amazing thing regardless of if he was, gay, or crazy, or liberal, or whatever.
Again if you could not get past your opinions of Tim Tredwell then why did you sit through 3 hours of the show??
Funny thing, I was flipping channels and see Grizzly Man. So I hit the info button and see it's about a guy who spent 13 summers living in Alaska amongst the grizzlies. When I saw he died in 2003 my first thought was "mauled by a grizzly". sure enough...
Poetic justice.
I suppose there's something noble about dedicating your life to animals, although I quesiton this guy's sanity. Seems to me the guy started thinking he WAS a bear - albeit one without the claws and femur-cracking jaws.
They said the grizzly that killed him was an old scrawny bear with bad teeth. Basically an animal on the verge of death that stumbled upon an easy meal. I saw part where he was lamenting the lack of rain and going on about how the drought was forcing mother bears are eating their cubs. Didn't Mr Wannabe Alpha Bear reason that if a mother bear will eat its own cubs to survive that he was nothing more than an hors d'ouvre waiting to happen? Obviously not.
I'd wager at some point that summer he saw that old, scrawny bear and thought, "He won't make it through the winter unless he puts on some weight." Like I said, poetic justice.
And don't give me the old, "at least he died in the place he loved most" bullshit. Nobody hopes they die going feet-first into a chipper/shredder. I'm sure in his mind he would be shot in the back by a poacher. I feel bad for the chick. Imagine what was going through her skull as she watched a bear maul and kill Grizzly Man, then stalk her down. I wonder if she was on her period? Maybe that's what brought the bear into camp. Surely they had food around too. A regrettable, but laughable and predictable situation.
If only he'd become compelled to live amongst the sheep instead of grizzlies he'd be alive today; possibly cooing "I love you" happily-ever-after on his own Brokeback Mountain...
Almost everything you said was covered in the show had you watched it. The guy was defiantly mentally unstable, there is no question about it. He did go crazy and start to think he was a bear too. He did see and even film the old bear that later kill him. He had lost all of his objectivity and was out of his mind to think his personal "love" for the bears could overcome their basic animal instincts to survive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baron Von Ottomatic
But then again he made it 13 seasons with the bears before he was killed which was about 12 seasons more than anyone would have guessed.
Again, I don??t understand why judging him as a person would make you like or dislike this movie. Like one of the native people said, he crossed a line between man and nature and that itself is disrespectful. So you can even HATE Tim Treadwell if you want. But its still an amazing and moving story irregardless. Not to mention very well put together and narrarted by the director Werner Herzog!
I just want to add this. This is a DOCUMENTARY in case you don??t understand what that is. Its just a true story about something that really happened. The film maker never once tried to make you think what Treadwell did was a good or noble thing. Herzog goes out of his way to show interviews and read letters from people that are saying all the same things some of you have. That he was crazy, stupid and got what he deserved. That??s just another reason why this is such a good movie. It??s not trying to pass any judgments on Tim, just tell the story, nothing more.
I agree 100%, Herzog actually disagreed with what Treadwell was trying to do...I for one love animlas...my brother has a tiger and I've been in the cage with "jewels" daily...never a problem, and they are deadly animals, its all on "how" you let the beast percieve you!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by BaseRSX
Yeah the very end scene is a close up of the eyes of the bear that probably killed Tim and Herzog saying how he can only see the cold stare of a hungry wild animal and how Treadwell could not have been objective to think anything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoke ranger
He was basicly saying Tim was wrong.
wow...very good documentary watched it until 4 this mourning. It is very clear he was insane and he must have said "i love you" 1000 times through out that documentary, but i think he had very good character.
ha ha i dont mean to ruin it for anyone but theres one scene where he is ranting about park service and he just goes on for like 10 minutes straight just screaming Fuck park service!!!, fuck them!!! and shit like that but everyone of us would go nuts if we were alone that long
I really wish i could have heard a minute or so of the tape of his death i bet it would be horrific
well anyways i recommend this to anyone who wants something long and interesting to watch
"That's her poop...I love her poop...it just came out of her butt....ahhh I love it...I'm touching it...I'm touching her poop...it just came out of her butt"
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Originally Posted by 420purplehaze420
That's the thing ... he wasn't alone, dude. He was just headfucked.
oh my god, why are you freaking out they are just commercials, just turn the channel for a minute.
And nice review otto, lol
I don??t channel surf, that is even more annoying than the commercials!!! And you obviously didn??t watch this because the amount of commercials they did was more then I have ever seen for any show, on any channel. It was absolutely ridicules!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff Spicoli
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Originally Posted by UnViaje
sounds more like you are writiing your own autobiography than anything that the movie was saying...
you can only see what you ARE......
i love you
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Originally Posted by BaseRSX
Viaje is like a dog... you can point at the moon as much as you want... but he can't stop staring at your hand...
LOVE
lol
i would agree that he caused more harm then good to those animals, by making them tolerant of humans... but you can't knock the guy for doing what he wanted to do just because it doesn't fit into the norm of society, he did what he had a passion for and died doing it, not many people can say in there life hey did what they loved... but he did, i give him the creditQuote:
Originally Posted by notrightquite
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Originally Posted by Baron Von Ottomatic
aroflophahah yes :thumbsup:
Bears are great we should have more of them.
i had highs and lows for the docu. i am touched that this servant to the wild was so graciously respectable to these wild animals. i was shocked to find out he was killed by the bear along with the lady which i didnt watch enough to find out about her. but the thing i was turned off about was he was too sobbful towards the dead fox and some other animals, i mean buck up and be a man please! i understand you love these animals and all but please dude, if you had some balls you might be alive today cause i would never go around damn grizzlies without a freakn gun!!!!! but the foxes were so adorable, i now am buggin the hubbs to get me a fox but it was just a touching and sad docu. i did overrall enjoyed it for the most part i seen.....:)
he did this for 13 years and i believe he was an incredible person.:dance:
to some people animals are like a fiance, a wife, a brother, or a friend, he was grieving just like we do for fellow humans...Quote:
Originally Posted by sweetnhighz