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in that one 99 problems song
he mentions if its in ur glove compartment or trunk
they cant search u and ur safe unless they bring dogs
is that true?
cuz some people have told me so, but others tell me if there is any idea u have drugs on u they are allowed to search your whole car
which is true? thanks
the law varies in every state.
i know this for sure though
if your parked in a pulic parking lot, and a cop has no reason to search your car, he cant search it.
Police need to have something called "probable cause" to search a vehicle w/out a warrant. Whether this be you smelling like weed, the cop seeing open alcohol containers, or a drug sniffing dog to alert on the car. Either way, you are *most likely* not going to get searched if all of your shit in in order and you dont reek like pot.
THIS IS TRUE. Other people say wrong information about this wayyy too much. Good job OrangeKush, you know your shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by OrangeKush
If you are arrested, and your car is towed, they WILL search it, including the glove compartment if it is not locked. This has happened to me (more than once, sigh...)
If the glove compartment is locked, I don't think they will break it open.
they CAN search your glove compartment, unless its locked.
probable cause means they can say "i smell something"
be creative and find a place to hide ur stuff =)
my toyota corolla 91 is a toker car cause after like 4 5 months I found a hidden place thats bid g<enough for a pipe weed lighters and more more more weed..like a ounce =D very sweet place but still you can build yourself a secret stash in your car
dont make a stash because if they find a secret stash you're screwed. just put it in the glove compartment and lock it
hey thats what i drive too, i think i may know what u are talking about too, i have a few hiding places. msg me and lets compare lolQuote:
Originally Posted by sm0k1t
I wanna hear about these spots! I never thought to lock the glove box, haha.
I am going to start keeping everythign in there, and locked.
actually i thought he said 91 celica not corrola, i was reading too fast.. but i do think the 2 are similar.
like i can reach behind my glove box and pull down the back wall of it and there is some room back there. and the center console where u can out stuff it well the tray in it that is the actual compartments pulls out and there is some empty space in there for say like as much as an oz prolly, i only hid a half o in there but id say an oz could squish in if needed.
';..;'
The NORML group at my college showed a video called "Busted" that shows what to do in police encounters. There was a lawyer there to answer people's questions, and he said that in Montana, probable cause was not enough...they MUST have a search warrant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Awill3449
Someone post the link to this "Busted" video as it can be bought on line. I just don't have the link. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by davidmtml
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Originally Posted by davidmtml
HELLOOOOOOOOO MONTANA!!! :dance:
a NORML group came to your school and showed a movie about what to do if a cop tries to search your car??? damn why arent all schools like this?
--- I've been pulled over numerous times with plenty of weight in my car.
The only way you're getting searched is if you're being pulled over for something not pertaining to a driving violation. Why smoke in your car? Smell should never be an issue. As long as you aren't representing yourself as a major thug or hippie, you're going to be fine; In other words, don't represent yourself as someone who might be associated with drugs. I.E - Really dark tinted windows, 20 inch chromes, and a thugged out outfit. Do those things mean the person is a drug dealer or someone driving with it? No. But cops are very quick to profile. A normal and respectfull guy wearing a collored shirt is not going to be asked to leave the car for a search. You shouldn't be doing something illegal on the road if you have something on you anyways .. just use extra caution on the road. And probable cause is a joke, i hate to tell all of you. The law is on their side as far as that goes..and it's really easy to create probable cause. If they want to search you, they will. don't give them any reason to search you. If you're super paranoid, or dealing (which will often lead to random pullovers and harrassment), I'd recomend finding a body shop willing to build a stash box in your car. its hard to find people who do it, but talk to people who would know about it and be patient, someone will turn up. A lot of stash boxes can go behind your airbag and are often smell proof. My supplier himself has beaten searches with this method....but be ready to pay 350 - 500 for it to be installed, unless you know the person personally.
A NORML group didn't come to my school, but I am a member of the NORML group at my college. In fact, in a few weeks, it is NORML week, and we're having all kinds of things on campus, including showing the movie "grass", having a "bake" sale, showing busted again (it was a huge hit the first time) a joint rolling contest (using legal herbs) and a party Friday night!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fan o KmK
-question what kind ov cop brings a dog everywhere...plus they cant search you or your car until your arrested or have a warrent, then good luck. the only possible way really to cheack your person or car before is if they have probible cause of personal indangerment(if they suspect you have a weapon)
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
--4th amendment to the US constitution...any laws to the contrary are null and void.
of course when you have tyranny, all that's thrown out the window anyway.
Hiding junk in your glove box may not be a good idea if you keep your proof of insurance in there. Open it up and the cop catches a glimpse and your done for. Not sure if all states are like ohio where they ask for proof of insurance as soon as they stop you. But thats just what I've always thought.
The 4th amendment protects you
against unwarranted searches. I
happen to learn this late, might
have been handy to have known.
Would have saved me a lot trouble
in my younger years.
GL
4th Amendment Victory!
Submitted by scottmorgan on January 17, 2006 - 12:33pm.
The New Jersey Supreme Court ruled last week that police may not automatically search vehicles following an arrest of the driver. This finding contradicts the U.S. Supreme Courtā??s ruling in New York v. Belton, which holds that police may search any vehicle following the lawful arrest of its driver. The Belton rule is supposed to prevent suspects from destroying evidence or reaching for weapons, but in practice it's just another excuse to search people:
1. Protocol dictates that arrested suspects be immediately hand-cuffed and placed in the back of a squad car. Once arrested, they no longer have access to the contents of their vehicle.
2. Most arrests are minor and unlikely to inspire a reckless or desperate act by the arrestee. The limited potential for such conduct should not displace the 4th Amendment.
3. In states that allow discretionary arrests for minor crimes (e.g. Texas), the Belton rule encourages police to perform pretextual arrests just so that they can search. This is horrible.
4. Other exceptions to the warrant clause will apply in cases where the discovery of additional evidence seems probable. If police see or smell anything, they can search. Belton only helps when there isnā??t any such evidence.
Fortunately, Iā??m not the only one who lies awake at night cursing the Supreme Courtā??s decision in New York v. Belton. In a unanimous ruling, the NJ Supreme Court concluded that Beltonā??s logic ā??simply does not pass muster.ā? The article also notes that MA, NV, OR, NM, WY, and PA have similarly rejected the Supreme Courtā??s outrageous effort to strip arrestees of their 4th Amendment protections.
Iā??m hopeful that this case will embolden defense attorneys in other states to take a look at the search-incident-to-arrest issue and seek relief under their state constitutions. Constitutional minimum standards enable states to offer more stringent Bill of Rights protections than the federal government, meaning that efforts at the state level can undermine Belton even if the Supreme Court hesitates to revisit it.
Search-incident-to-arrest is one of the nastiest and far-reaching 4th Amendment exceptions our highest court has created. If defendants and attorneys are willing to fight, we can erode this ridiculous policy one state at a time.
taken from Flex Your Rights.
Thats the important part. So this would any apply if you live in those states.Quote:
Originally Posted by slipknotpsycho
thanks for all the help
this thread ran itself haha
it sure did
In Wisconsin, I was pulled over for a headlight out (it failed at that moment in view of a cop). I had a revoked license, having nothing to do with drugs or alcohol. I was clean cut, dressed well, and not drunk or high at the time. There was no suspicion of drugs.
Because of the revoked license I was sent home (on foot) and the car was towed to the pound.
When I recovered my minivan, it had not only been searched, the contents of the glove compartment, cassette tray, etc. were scattered all over the floor.
The same thing happened another time, whatever they pulled me over for I don't remember, but with that revoked license they wouldn't let me drive the car so they towed it AND SEARCHED IT.
It also happened about three times, I was pulled over with the revoked license, and the cop wouldn't let me drive, but hinted that he wouldn't see anything after he left. They didn't tow the car. I just walked about 100 feet away, waitied for the cop to leave, then got back in and drove home. Two cops even apologised for the trouble (driving after rev is about $600). They just wanted to give me a tail light warning or whatever.
But they should not be able to open a locked glove compartment without a warrant.
When I drive, I put my stash outside in the gas cap compartment. I'm not saying that's a good idea! I just feel better not having it on me.
indeed
actually, that's not a bad idea... i've never had a cop search the gas door (even if he suspected drugs to be present) .. only way you'd probably get caught is if someone hinted at it, or you tensed up when they got by it (they look for body language, and usualy, atleast around here they will make a full sweep of the car, but subtly, and if they see you show signs of stress or fear, they'll search that area extensivily) or they brought a drug dog.. i've had cops even rip open empty soda cans on the floor, look in trash that had been up under the seat for over a year (chip bags and such) but never, not even once, did they ever think to search the gas door.. now of course this would only really apply if you got pulled over, if you try to cross a border or something, unless they've changed it, that's one of the first places they look, since so many people wrap the drugs up and throw them in the gas tank.Quote:
When I drive, I put my stash outside in the gas cap compartment. I'm not saying that's a good idea! I just feel better not having it on me.