Why not unite science with spirituality?

I think with an different interpretation of everything we can unite science and spirituality since both are on the road to infinity. I think that is the next step for a major evolution speed up but then again I might be wrong but I think that spirituality can be proven through science.

I know spirituality seems more infinite than science because in the material world for now were are limited but we can see infinity even in the material plane as people would say.

dont know if I lost ya but for me everything, material spiritual etc is linked together with a reason and explanation. It goes all together.

makes the world go round we could say. Everything that lives up to the idea of sticking together and accepting others in a coop way will make the world go round. ill stop there.
peace :rasta:

I wonder the same thing...I've been reading a lot online on "intelligent design," different stuff...basically if you Google the phrase "Proof of God" and wade thru the athiest pages, you will find some really good pages regarding the joining of science and spirituality!

SCIENCE IS A LIE

There is only light.

Can you see it?

Yeah, good luck with that

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Originally Posted by Funken Monken

Yeah, good luck with that

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Thank you!! :) :rolleyes:

before saying that science is a lie question yourself on why and when and who created science and for what purpose at the very beginig of mankind..think about as basic as a wheel or fire..how would you smoke ur weed? I approve that alot of the technologie science fucks up everything..nature and man but I believe that we can use our science for our survival just as we did with fire.....I'm not denying the light..It goes with it thats all. The main problem is the rivality of science and spirituality. I'm sure people around you wants their generation of children to survive the human and natural disasters coming to us. And most important!! im not saying that science is on the right track now..its way out of it. Now science is on the course of power and well being when I think it should stick with 1 main purpose: survival of life.

peace

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Originally Posted by sm0k1t

before saying that science is a lie question yourself on why and when and who created science and for what purpose at the very beginig of mankind..think about as basic as a wheel or fire..how would you smoke ur weed? I approve that alot of the technologie science fucks up everything..nature and man but I believe that we can use our science for our survival just as we did with fire.....I'm not denying the light..It goes with it thats all. The main problem is the rivality of science and spirituality. I'm sure people around you wants their generation of children to survive the human and natural disasters coming to us. And most important!! im not saying that science is on the right track now..its way out of it. Now science is on the course of power and well being when I think it should stick with 1 main purpose: survival of life.

peace

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Marijuana is a living entity, will science support it's well being, and defend it's rights to life round the world so we can start to clean up planet Earth of what science has created?...pollutants of every kind!
Mad cows, sick chickens, tainted fish, toxic waste...all from science!

I just think science is an over explanation of everything

That's it.

It's only useful towards our feats in the physical world

People are forgetting about their minds

In my opinion every person on this planet should have the ability to tune the waves of their brain like radios. Can you imagine the possibilities? Limitless I tell you, limitless

I would rather think that science is an understatement, if anything.

I think the problem with science today is that we've come to let it draw our boundries for us. If it can't be explained with numbers, equations and chemical interactions then it might as well not exist.

But there's always been a chaotic, random and irrational component to the universe.
Science is not absolute. It's a tool. And when we want to move to a different task, we should be able to switch to a different tool, rather than being dogmatically bound to science.

So, Smok1t... I think that you may be on the verge of a good idea there.

Thx polymirize :rasta:
feels good to know that someone see the positive vibration of my idea

It's hard to bring happiness to 6 billion people but I'm working on it open mindedly and in a positive way.

i like to think they are already unifyed.


religion strives to prove with faith that god exists and blah blah

science strives to debase religious faith.

it's an unsaid bond :)

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Originally Posted by sm0k1t

I think that spirituality can be proven through science.

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lol, that doens't even make sense. what next, proving philosophy through chiropractic?

actually, think about it, mrdevious, eventually, science will run into a barrior that can be explained fully, and only, by the simple existance of spirituality.

What you want to do vs What you should do. Life vs Death. Science vs Religion.

All of them are the classical conflicts of life. Those three simple things if explored and thought about enough can raise a hole knew controversy. A breach of ethics and morals for the greater good, commiting two wrongs to make a right.

But i wonder, in a world where everything has to be either "Good" or "Evil", which one would be considered Evil?

If i had to chose, i would call religion evil. I don't belive science and religion could ever blend together. It would be helping eachother to hurt eachother. They are both utterly and completely different things. And nothing can exist without its opposit, without its rival. You can't just take one of them away and they can't possibly be made to help eachother. Science and religion are indeed on the way to infinity, and even though they will eventually end up in the same place they will never connect.

very well said there at the end there Thumb. very well indeed, that' so true, too, that they will never meet, even though they end in the same place.

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Originally Posted by Mr Greenthumb

What you want to do vs What you should do. Life vs Death. Science vs Religion.

All of them are the classical conflicts of life. Those three simple things if explored and thought about enough can raise a hole knew controversy. A breach of ethics and morals for the greater good, commiting two wrongs to make a right.

But i wonder, in a world where everything has to be either "Good" or "Evil", which one would be considered Evil?

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Ha Ha! I reject your duality as a false dichotomy!

Science is Religion*

in the purest sense, nothing but the seeking of truth
if you have heard the words of a "scientist/physicist" recently(time = illusion)
you may've noticed their words implying this junction of the two has been met
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It is not Science that brings about pollution and the like, although it may provide the methods. It is the mind-set of the participants in the societal game in which strikingly narrow perspectives are exerecised in order to gain dominion over masses by the production of cheap goods. Made just good enough to sell but not good enough they wont break/etc and you will buy more.
Answer:
Awareness
Eternally Aware and it is known a necessity of life is not to roll out of bed with to little sleep to go and sit in your metal box to then go sit under fluorescent lights. If you "job" is useless, do something else!! Whatever you want. ( I know most reading this do not suffer this delusion)
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*The word Spirituality may be more appropriate here as for me it is possible that "religion" can harp too much on the breed of christianity that is societal control/brainwash that seems to remain today. While sprirituality may seem more in line with science, main difference I'd say is that in science there has been constructed a uniform system which makes the communication of what can be labeled TRUTH easier. With spiritual pursuits the communication of truth is also possible for those who so desire it.

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Originally Posted by Polymirize

But there's always been a chaotic, random and irrational component to the universe.

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There are laws that govren our universe and give it order. Science trys to discover these rules and model them. Quantum mechanics is the best we have to include this "randomness" to creat better models. There is nothing irrational about it, everything has some order to it, from quarks to super clusters of galaxies.

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Originally Posted by RastaKaze

In my opinion every person on this planet should have the ability to tune the waves of their brain like radios. Can you imagine the possibilities? Limitless I tell you, limitless

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Your going to need a reciver, and a device to decode this signals, and also a way to control this and turn it on and off. We don't even know how the brain works. If this was even remotly possable, it will be a long ways off. The most likely possability of this will probally come though implants.

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Originally Posted by sm0k1t

...I might be wrong but I think that spirituality can be proven through science.

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I think you are. Spirituality is based on faith, Science is not. Using science you can acuratly predict events in the future based on models that are based on observations. These are done thousands of times by hundreds of people in order to gain insight on natural phenomina. It will never prove the existance of somthing that is undetectable. Many christains and other religous people say you must have faith in science, when really all you need is an understanding of how energy (light, matter, dark matter, etc.) interacts with itself.

I think we arn't ready for alot of the technology were developing. There are too many greedy, violent people who want to use it to gain power/money. What we need is a global govrenment that is a cross of socalism and democracy (the greek democracy) in order for our species to survive. This will always be difficult, becuase there has never been (atleast that I know of) a system that has resisted corruption. Unless one is set up with a high involvement of the people with a mind set that their survival depends on the survival of the system. Too bad this only happens after major events, (earthquakes, tidal waves, war, global warming?) and it only lasts for a limited time. 1984 shows a good example of this with the govrenments controll over the people using perpetual war with an "enemy" in order to control the people. Were an extreamly flawed species in this respect. Self-consousness only helps us to survive to a certain point, too bad were not consous about the physical world around us. This is where I have a problem with "God." I've met people who don't care about the enviorment because they assume that God has put controls on the Earth so that no matter what they do they think it will correct itself. Unless we accept the idea that we must fight for our existance and start taking measures to reverse the damage we cause to our planet, we're all going to be fucked. In order to do this we must set population limits, pollution limits, use only renewable energy sources, global health care, dismantling of all nuclear weapons, and I can't think of anything else right now.

I'm too stoned and I've ramble on for too long, I'm done.

I suppose they did try to explain god through "science" with intelligent design, though it's a bullshit theory.

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Originally Posted by MoonStarer420

There are laws that govren our universe and give it order. Science trys to discover these rules and model them. Quantum mechanics is the best we have to include this "randomness" to creat better models. There is nothing irrational about it, everything has some order to it, from quarks to super clusters of galaxies.

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Oh this will be easy for you then... Consider Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle. Consider how at the quantum level, particles can suddenly decide to "stop" existing and disappear. Violation of conservation of energy.

So, what's our only possible conclusion?
That science at present does not begin to approach being able to describe the world we live in. Though it thinks it does. Just like it did when the world was flat. When scientists stop repeating the mistakes of the past, maybe we'll get somewhere with the whole process.

Now, what is spirituality? (And no, I'm not going to let you get away with calling it God right off the bat, that's a different conversation I'm more than willing to have, but let's keep it seperate for now.) Spirituality could be considered a "system" designed to explain things. Similar to science. So maybe there's some answers to be found through different perspectives as well?

If you want to understand an object in space better, you look at it from multiple perspectives... If you want to understand the whole of creation... ?

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Originally Posted by Polymirize

Oh this will be easy for you then... Consider Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle. Consider how at the quantum level, particles can suddenly decide to "stop" existing and disappear. Violation of conservation of energy.

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Your right, it is easy. It's not a violation of energy for a partical to "appear" and "disappear" with in an amount of time. Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle:change in time * Change in E>=hbar/2. so depending on the E is the amount of time this "new" partical can exist. And this can only happen as long asmomentum is conserved.There are no particals that are existing that can "disapear" using this equaton.

This is also the same way Black holes can evaporate. Two imaginary particals (antimatter and normal matter or two photons) are created near the Horizon (not sure if its event or absolute horizon) and one gets pulled in while the other flys off. The one that get's pulled in then destroys some of the matter inside the hole thus reducing it's mass.

There is never a violation of conservation of energy or we would be able to create perpetual motion machines.

That I know of, wenever thought the world was flat. When "we" built ships we could see the mast over the horizon before "we" saw the ship.

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Originally Posted by MoonStarer420

Your going to need a reciver, and a device to decode this signals, and also a way to control this and turn it on and off. We don't even know how the brain works. If this was even remotly possable, it will be a long ways off. The most likely possability of this will probally come though implants.

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I hope your kidding. it's totally possible, on your own... haha Mazatec Shamans in S.A. we're able to do this, what, two thousan years ago? Mabye it's only an impossibility to yourself because you beleive it to be. But let me tell you my friend the mind is capable of many things

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Originally Posted by MoonStarer420

That I know of, wenever thought the world was flat. When "we" built ships we could see the mast over the horizon before "we" saw the ship.

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Of course. "We've" always known exactly how things work... And if you disagree, that's not anything a couple burnings at the stake can't fix. My how the times do change huh? Shoe on the other foot so to speak.

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Originally Posted by Polymirize

Oh this will be easy for you then... Consider Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle. Consider how at the quantum level, particles can suddenly decide to "stop" existing and disappear. Violation of conservation of energy.

So, what's our only possible conclusion?
That science at present does not begin to approach being able to describe the world we live in. Though it thinks it does. Just like it did when the world was flat. When scientists stop repeating the mistakes of the past, maybe we'll get somewhere with the whole process.

Now, what is spirituality? (And no, I'm not going to let you get away with calling it God right off the bat, that's a different conversation I'm more than willing to have, but let's keep it seperate for now.) Spirituality could be considered a "system" designed to explain things. Similar to science. So maybe there's some answers to be found through different perspectives as well?

If you want to understand an object in space better, you look at it from multiple perspectives... If you want to understand the whole of creation... ?

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Don't forget to add yourself into the eqaution from every point of view!
And how it effects not only the gravity, but the space around you!

its been done..atlantis

I don't always read everything, some of you are just a bunch of stoners ;)
but science and spirituality are very much one. Religion, not so much. But Science is actual information that you can see, and prove. God, and a spiritual realm are things that people can see, and prove. You just have to either be highly spiritual, or highly educated AND have an open mind. In order to not be ignorant, one must be able to step outside of themselves, and into the real world before forming an opinion.

A lot of people think I am very gullible, I prefer to call it open minded. Who am I to tell you your wrong, about anything.

Science can prove a lot of spiritual concepts. Under hypnosis, doctors have accidentally regressed patients into past lives, and even in between stages of lives that involve "the other side", corrisponding with all the near death experiences. 3D, 3rd dimension, ever stopped to wonder what 4D might be like? Or 5D? Because 1D would be like a drwing on a piece of paper, 2D would be like a piece of paper itself with 2 sides. 3D which is where we live, is like a cube. So if someone from the 3D went to the 2D, the 2D "people" can still only see everything in 2D. So they would only see part of someone in the 3D, get it? Anyways, they are now saying that there are actually 12 dimensions. Scientifically.

All of this correspondes with acsention, and vibrational levels, which are also scientifically be recorded. We are supposedly in a process of ascension in the 80's the earths vibration was at a 7, it too that long to get to a 7. We are now thought to be vibrating at double that. So in a very short time we have speed up this process. This is all backed up by yet another mysterious couple bunches. The Mayans, Incans, Hopi.

Our earth has been here before. We have acsended both spiritually and scientifically at once. And we he destroyed whole races because of it. The great flood, with Noah and his ark. That happend. Not excatly as it is written, not so many people died, but a lot did. Hhmm, Tsunami? Hurricane season from hell. You wait till next season, I would move if your in an area affected by them. Lemura and Atlantis, both HIGHLY advanced. Got carryed away and boom, sunk. Lemuria is now the ring of fire, which will also be something to watch out for this summer.

The bible matches up too. That is why I hate it so much when people are so ignorant to be so stuck to something. Open up your mind, and be a big enough person to be able to listen, hear, process, and FEEL what you know as true, and disregard the rest. Bits and pieces of every religion, and science, and history can validate one another.

I am stoned, chances are anyone reading this is also mutually burnt. And The way of the old is really fighting with the way of the new right now, and I don't wish to stur up any "crazyness".

Eva

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Originally Posted by Polymirize

Of course. "We've" always known exactly how things work... And if you disagree, that's not anything a couple burnings at the stake can't fix. My how the times do change huh? Shoe on the other foot so to speak.

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Oops I didn't mean "never", I ment to say when we started to build ships with large masts. I fucked up.

Well the Greeks and the people in the Egyption area hypothisised the Earth was round. Using sticks in the ground, shadows, and angles.

yeah they were pretty on top of it. Fucking dark ages, imagine today if the great libraries had never been burned. Never trust a book burner. Anyway... My main point was more that as a society we tend to extend our current paradigms to their maximum, and then have to change them when we find out how wrong they are. Any honest scientist will let you know we're still just scratching the surface. Science works from the outside in, spirituality from the inside out.

Empiricism can only get you so far down the road. And when it stops do you sit there and say you've gone as far as it's possible to go or do you find a new means by which to continue on?

[QUOTE=Polymirize] Science works from the outside in, spirituality from the inside out.
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very well put :thumbsup:

Eva

i only read the thread name, not in my habit, but don't join them live balance between and you'll understand more things in life...