Return a harvested plant to veg? Comments?

Hey all,
I've been growing from seed (bagseed from someone whose friend grows Sweet Tooth and Strawberry Cough... could I be so lucky?) and am almost finished up with my first grow. There are a couple beautiful standouts in the crop that I would love to revert to veg and turn into mothers; however, I've read that by allowing a plant to complete its flowering cycle and then putting it back in veg can reduce its genetic integrity and potency.

Is this something any of you have done, and with what success?

SA

ps- and yes, I've pestering him for clones too! :p.... *drool*

Get a few other seeds, start a mother or two, then clone the LIVING DAYLIGHTS out of the mother!:)

Don't re-veg.. It's not as good as a good mother!:D

If you enjoyed your first harvest, you will enjoy your revegged second harvest.

out if a whole bunch of seeds I have one plant that isn't male, hermie or reaching for the sky like its sisters. It is low with tight Indica looking flowers on it. I am going to reveg it and make it a clone mother. I can bet out of my bag seeds that this plant will give me more than the other seeds.

I've revegged quite a few times. Just make sure you leave a few immature buds on the bottom of the plant. It has worked out well for me in the past although I no longer do it as the buds are smaller and more difficult to manicure.

Herbus

Don't do it..everytime you re-veg you lose a generation and eventually you will wear you babies down to the point that they will yield prime shit weed!
Make a momma..take clones..never flower her..and she will get very potent as she gets older and she won't lose the first gen vigor (my moms are now 6 month old and give up 45 or 50 clones every 5 days or so!)

After 1 year clone mothers begin to lose there potentcy so re veg all you want it's your desition and a good one at that.

But I'd only reveg if you need to cut some clones from it.

Lets compare something...
If you have 10 plants..all revegging..
Lets say it takes em 3 weeks to get to the point where you would begin flowering again..
By then I have already started my clones flowering..and they are one week into it...
The revegged plants are smaller..have alot more branches..but the small branches produce less..
So now lets figure another 2 weeks for the re-vegged plants to respond to the time flip to 12/12..
With my clones I am 3 weeks into flower and have already got all my bud sites well established..on thicker stems..
I will finish roughly 3 weeks sooner than if I re-vegged..and have new clones ready to go into the space..
Over a year I will probably harvest at least 2 more crops than a re-vegged garden would..and my plants always have lots of root space (instead of having rootbound bushes that don't produce enough)..
We can debate all we like..but the bottom line is that re-vegging is simply not the best way to go...

it is if most of your seeds suck and you have one plant that is what you want. who cares about time. I wasnt planning on revegging but that plant is so stout that it would be a crime to not keep her alive. some of the plants stretched taller and that isnt what I want. you may have chanced it with one mother plant and you dont know how they will take to the 12/12. you may have thrown away a seed that had better genetics than your current mother in anticipation of your clones not stretching or being hermies.

by flowering many plants that started from seed I can pick the cream of the crop.

There is little question that a clone system is superior to reveg with continued supply issues.

However, there is no wrong in taking another flower period from a plant you love and want to enjoy again...

If its strictly because you enjoyed the previous harvest, then its the right thing to do.

the proper way I should have done it was....
take cuttings from each plant and determine sex....
flower each female clone and find the one with the tightest bud formation......
get rid of unwanted mothers and keep the best one
8 months later smoke my first harvest lol

EXPRIENCE says REVEG REVEG REVEG I have re vegitated individual plants for 3 years. No loss of quality or quantity. You want to the FASTEST and BEST way to grow? REVEG. Don't waste your time with clones. Grow, flower and reveg go to www.growweed.com for the best book on the subject ever written. I can tell you personally, reveg. It increased my production by 300 % think about it. Cloning, wait for two to three weeks to see if it grew roots. Cut 70% of the plant, reset the lights to 20/4 for 7 days and then go back to 12/12. Why waste time with clones? screw CLONES!!! REVEGITATE! Don't listen to the ignorant. You know the quality of the plant? REVEGITATE! NO loss of production, no wasted time, GROW GROW GROW. The roots take up nutrients, the roots store energy , the roots keep the plant alive. Save 30% of the leaves and reset the lights. GROW GROW GROW!
thanks
Doctor G

hey doctor g
you are right man. My mom's ex boyfriend was an expert horticulturist and he revegged a lot. he had 4+ year old plants with bark on the stalks that were revegged many times over and still produced monster nugs. he did stress soil ph and leaching the salt buildup though.

only thing is out of my seeds not many plants looked that nice and I want more like it. if anything I will lose vigor from cloning

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Originally Posted by doctor G

EXPRIENCE says REVEG REVEG REVEG I have re vegitated individual plants for 3 years. No loss of quality or quantity. You want to the FASTEST and BEST way to grow? REVEG. Don't waste your time with clones. Grow, flower and reveg go to www.growweed.com for the best book on the subject ever written. I can tell you personally, reveg. It increased my production by 300 % think about it. Cloning, wait for two to three weeks to see if it grew roots. Cut 70% of the plant, reset the lights to 20/4 for 7 days and then go back to 12/12. Why waste time with clones? screw CLONES!!! REVEGITATE! Don't listen to the ignorant. You know the quality of the plant? REVEGITATE! NO loss of production, no wasted time, GROW GROW GROW. The roots take up nutrients, the roots store energy , the roots keep the plant alive. Save 30% of the leaves and reset the lights. GROW GROW GROW!
thanks
Doctor G

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I'm sorry man..but my experience (going on 23 years now) says re-vegging is not the best way to do things..
When I re-vegged my plants I saw that they took longer to come back into veg and eventually peaked in potency and declined to the point of the plants being useless..
No offence..but cannabis is an annual..in nature it is pollinated and produces seed..
When you cut a plant back and force it to re-veg you also force it to grow more roots and produce branches that are hardy enough to support good quality flowers..contrary to your calls for re-vegging it's just NOT a good idea!
Also..if you HAVE been doing it for years you would know that the plants eventually lose vigor..become sickly..and die!
Or..they become so desperate to re-produce that they pop a few male flowers out in an attempt to pollinate themselves..
However..when you keep mothers and take clones you are not taking the mother out of veg..and it's less stressed and has a chance to grow more potent as time passes..
Your timetable is askew as well..my mothers were the best of the batch..they produce rooted clones in 7-10 days..and in 14-20 days from being cut they are ready to be flowered!
And even though I tend to grow in larger pots (10 to 12 inch) I would have to increase the size of my pots to accomodate re-vegged females..as I said..new growth co-relates to new root growth..
I am switching to a flood table soon..in 4 inch rockwool cubes..imagine trying to re-veg them?
Now consider this..I harvest and re-plant on the same day..my plants are finished in 10 weeks..assuming you are flowering for 8 weeks you would have to be losing time re-vegging..I know my plants took longer than 2 weeks to come out of flower..and for the calyxes to convert to new shoots!

And while cloning is a common practice in horticulture to asexually propegate plants..re-vegging is unique to the folks who grow marijuana..
If you have no alternative..if you cannot PROPERLY select the best mothers or don't have the space for them..then it's fine for a second crop..but even then you can expect your yield to decrease..
And really the bottom line is this..if that's how you wanna do things..be my guest..but don't imply people are ignorant because they disagree with you..that's just rude when you have no idea who I am or what I have done.. :confused:
Now you have made a claim of a 300% increase in yield..I invite you to show some proof of this claim..show us how you accomplished this incredible feat..
In the mean time I will do what I do..I'll dig up evidence to support my position from a credible source...
And for everyone else..as I said..it may be what you like to do..but I don't think it's the best route to take..
Johnny

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Originally Posted by harmonicminor

only thing is out of my seeds not many plants looked that nice and I want more like it. if anything I will lose vigor from cloning

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The genetics are contained in the plant you love so much..cloning will give you the exact same plants!!!!
And as long as you don't clone from a clone over and over you WON'T see any diminish in potency!
In fact..I'll prove it!
This is my best White Russian offspring..
Now next crop I'll post pics of the White Russians at 6 weeks (which is where I am at now) and you will see that they are the same..
If I had a gas chromatograph mass spectrometer I would show you the numbers..but I lost that ability when I stopped working with Advanced nutrients in their medical cannabis testing..
Also..what criteria are you using to select your future crops from seed? My White Russian mother was the most heavily covered in resin..grew the fastest..and had a stronger smell than the ones I let go..
And as luck would have it..my WR mom is also polyploidal..so the buds are heavier..stickier..and have been growing faster than the other WR clones I took..
Anyway..heres a few picks..I re-vegged my moms because I had to..they were sexed outside and had to come in and go under lights..
The first pics are the original mothers (from back in August)..after about 3 weeks growth in veg..
They would have produced alot if I flowered them again..but I know I can get more in the span of a year with clones than with re-vegging..
The next pics are the best WR offspring I got in my garden..I'll have some pics tommorow as well since I am harvesting another garden of mine..
If all works out the way it should I may have cannabis as potent as 22% THC..

yeah I understand
especially about turning hermie part
so do you think I should reveg and clone this one ????

last year I had a trifoliate I should have cloned

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Originally Posted by harmonicminor

yeah I understand
especially about turning hermie part
so do you think I should reveg and clone this one ????

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That looks like it's a good, solid indica...
For sure..re-veg her and clone her off..then keep the re-vegged plant as a mother and trim her till she has enough tops to give you a room full...

REVEG. Sorry Johnny. My experience runs 36 years. Including research at Dutch Seed Banks. Why is REVEG better? Well I can get 6 crops a year from a plant with no loss of production. I guess you just arent taking care of the roots or you don't pay enough attention to flushing the salts out of the soil. Of course you don't have to take my word for it. Use a calculator. How long after you clone can you harvest? I can harvest, reset the lights for 7 days ( honest that's all it takes to reset the plants photoperiod) and start flowering again. The maximum amount of growth occurs during the first four weeks of flowering. So what gives more production, a six inch clone (wait a month to get it taller) or a three foot bush with well developed roots and clean hydroponic media. As a COMMERCIAL grower I document the production from every plant and discard the ones that drop off. Funny I have yet to discard one. Well you are entitled to your opinion, just don't try to spread BS among people learning the trade.
If you are growing keep track of your individual plants production and make your own decision. My son and I disagreed between cloning and REVEG and after three harvests he saw my point and our garden has been REVEG ever since. Why waste time growing roots? The roots are there just let the plant grow new buds, just as large and tasty. Hermafidites? Urban Legend. Take that to the Discovery Channel.
Please do your own research and don't take my word for it. Go to WWW.GROWWEED.COM for the BEST book on the subject, great pictures and more helpful hints in one place than any other single book.
Oh yes I do have a degree in Botany, funny how that works.......
Doctor G

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Originally Posted by doctor G

just don't try to spread BS among people learning the trade.

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I offer you the same advice. There is no need to flame anyone here yet (well maybe you for your rude behavor)

I have reveged once even twice growing KBS style. It worked but the yield was not the same it was off each time. (just a bit but it was still off) There is a point even in a long held mother that she will die off in time. The age of the plant is still unchanged. Flowers are just part of the plants life cycle and are normal to reproduce.

There is a point when she can turn hermie on you as well.

I get you want to sell a book and preach but try being a little nicer about it.

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Originally Posted by Zandor

There is a point when she can turn hermie on you as well.

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Time for Dutch Master "Reverse" ??????????

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Originally Posted by doctor G

REVEG. Sorry Johnny. My experience runs 36 years. Including research at Dutch Seed Banks. Why is REVEG better? Well I can get 6 crops a year from a plant with no loss of production. I guess you just arent taking care of the roots or you don't pay enough attention to flushing the salts out of the soil. Of course you don't have to take my word for it. Use a calculator. How long after you clone can you harvest? I can harvest, reset the lights for 7 days ( honest that's all it takes to reset the plants photoperiod) and start flowering again. The maximum amount of growth occurs during the first four weeks of flowering. So what gives more production, a six inch clone (wait a month to get it taller) or a three foot bush with well developed roots and clean hydroponic media. As a COMMERCIAL grower I document the production from every plant and discard the ones that drop off. Funny I have yet to discard one. Well you are entitled to your opinion, just don't try to spread BS among people learning the trade.
If you are growing keep track of your individual plants production and make your own decision. My son and I disagreed between cloning and REVEG and after three harvests he saw my point and our garden has been REVEG ever since. Why waste time growing roots? The roots are there just let the plant grow new buds, just as large and tasty. Hermafidites? Urban Legend. Take that to the Discovery Channel.
Please do your own research and don't take my word for it. Go to WWW.GROWWEED.COM for the BEST book on the subject, great pictures and more helpful hints in one place than any other single book.
Oh yes I do have a degree in Botany, funny how that works.......
Doctor G

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Bitch ass, here's a quick class... Hermies DO exist, and if you think otherwise then I seriously suggest you get your degree in botany re-evaluated. Just for that I am gonna give everyone the link to that book with my passwords for the adobe document. Good luck making any $ after my next post...

yeah I just pulled a hermie last night. I would have tried the reverse but it had some opened male flowers. uhoh!!!!!!!!
now I'm left with 2 plants out of 18
damn bagseed, if I only had the reverse a month ago

Just to clarify any misconception. The web site www.growweed.com is my site and the book was written by me, no one else. I am not part of this debate so don't be mad at me folks. He happened to mention my book.

If you would like further verification of this please feel free to e-mail me at [email protected].

Please remember I am a contributer to this site and I am not the enemy!

Thanks...Cathy

no female that has a book out on growing and grows fat buds is my enemy :-)
ah the perfect woman hehe

I have been contacted by the writer and site owner of Growweed.com. Please don't do that RastaKaza she has nothing to do with this person. I made an assumption he was trying to sell a book of his but it turns out that I am in error.

As for Mr. G please behave your self and be respectable to others.

This is an interesting topic for discussion and should be treated with respect in an open and honest way.

I just want to know if the revegged plant is cloned and the clone grows.Will the clone be identical to the plant before the reveg or will the harvest be smaller and shit get all screwed up?

A clone inherits everything from the mother including her age.

I want to see pix of male flowers opened up

Yikes..looks like I made a new friend...
I guess having a different opinion is now spreading BS..although my "opinion" is based on fact and umm..although I am not a "commercial" grower trying to teach the "trade" to the masses I am someone with alot of knowledge and experience...
You can leach medium all you like..the fact is a re-vegged plant will require plenty of space to hope to be as productive as a clone with brand new medium..and unless you are constantly up-sizing your container or grodan cubes you will not get new growth!
I don't make the rules...the plants grow new roots as they grow new branches!
And as far as time goes I still don't get your turnaround cycles..if you can do it without flaming me maybe you could show us proof..you said 300%???
Also..I dunno the author of the online book either...but we got the link the first time..thanks...
Now..you talk about a big bush being more productive..I guess that's why commercial growers grow small plants and tend to grow from clone as a rule? I know ALL the med farmers I know who are professional growers (have 2 or more tables) grow clones..most in fact in 4 inch rockwool cubes)..
I start with a 2 week veg peiod in my flower chamber..if I chose to I could start those plants in a seperate room which would mean 6 crops in a 12 month period..even if you could force a multigenerational plant to jump from flower back into full vegetative growth in 7 days (which I don't believe you can) then you would still lose a week per crop..
And I'm not even going to address your claim that hermaphrodism (or whatever you called it) is somehow mythical..it's a response to environmental stress and the result of poor breeding..
Ask any botanist/horticulturalist..they will be happy to tell you all about it..but I am going to put this to bed as far as my part in this thread goes..
Here's a few pics of what I (just a lowly non-horticultural/commercial grower can make a clone do)
This is 1-600 watt lamp...
20 clones...
Yield yet to be seen (it's drying now) but should be roughly 35-40 ounces dry... :dance:

Mmmmm.......Crystals...
:D

yeah I am going to reveg my Indica and fill the room with clones from her. But while I wait I have other seedlings that will go into flower right after I harvest. By the time the Indica is revegged and clones are ready then the seedlings I just put in will be ready for harvest.

I grow organicly in soil and I reveg a lot.I cut clones off revegged plants and they are just as good if not better than the first run.