"God is Dead," Now We'll Create our Global Village -or- Why Christians are Mentally I

"God is Dead," Now We'll Create our Global Village -or- Why Christians are Mentally Ill

Chronwatch ^| Jan. 2, 2006 | Linda Kimball



Posted on 01/02/2006 4:01:41 AM PST


"In Aug., 2003, the National Institute of Mental Health (NIMH) and the National Science Foundation (NSF) announced the results of their $1.2 million tax-payer funded study. It stated, essentially, that traditionalists are mentally disturbed. Scholars from the Universities of Maryland, California at Berkeley, and Stanford had determined that social conservatives, in particular, suffer from 'mental rigidity,' 'dogmatism,' and 'uncertainty avoidance,' together with associated indicators for mental illness." (B.K. Eakman, Chronicles, Oct. 2004, pp. 28-29)

As usual with leftists, the true meaning of their words is couched in deceptive code. When the deceptions are peeled away we discover that ''dogmatism'' refers to Christianity, ''mental rigidity'' refers to ''individualism,'' and ''uncertainty avoidance'' really means that Christians are resistant to the ''change-through-consensus'' process. (See: Psychopolitics: Erasing Christianity through the Consensus Process, Linda Kimball)

Megalomaniac Darwinian globalists are in the process of creating a new world order in which the Masters (themselves) will be served by scientifically-re-engineered "Un Man." The stumbling block is Christianity and the individualism that naturally occurs from belief in God as Sovereign of the universe. Hence the unrelenting and increasingly virulent hatred being spewed at Christians, Christmas, and all things relating to Christianity.

Christianity and the ''individualism'' it gives rise to are anathema to Darwinian global collectivists, as is made clear by the following:

"Teaching children to read was a perversion and high literacy rates bred the sustaining force behind individualism." (John Dewey, Father of Progressive Education)

Note: see ''Sovietization of America'' (Linda Kimball) for details concerning America's high literacy rates in pre-progressivized America.

"To achieve world government, it is necessary to remove from the minds of men their individualism, loyalty to family traditions, national patriotism, and religious dogma" (G. Brock Chisholm, psychiatrist and co-founder of The World Federation of Mental Health).

"Every child in America entering school at the age of five is insane because he comes to school withâ?¦allegiances to our founding fathersâ?¦our elected officialsâ?¦his parentsâ?¦belief in a supernatural being, and toward the sovereignty of this nation as a separate entity. It's up toâ?¦teachers to make these sick children wellâ??by creating the international child of the future" (Chester Pierce, Prof. of Educ. and Psychiatry at Harvard, 1970).

Here is Laventi Pavlovich Beria, head of the Soviet Secret Police and Stalin's right hand man, linking Christianity to individualism: "There are those whoâ?¦gave Man to believe that goals should be personally sought and held, and thatâ?¦Man's entire impulse toward higher things stemmed from Freedom. We must bear in mind that the same people who embraced this philosophy also continued in Man the myth of spiritual existence" (Russian Manual on Psychopolitics, patriot-publications.com).

The global village under construction is being modeled along the same lines as the ancient pagan humanist model. In that model of man and the world, God is reduced to an impersonal animating force, immanent throughout the cosmos. In other words, God is the impersonal life-force within all matter, be it in the shape of mountain, man, insect, cloud, sun, water, etc. In today's vernacular, man is ''one'' with the cosmos and everything is divine. In this view, mankind's worth is measured by the value of animals, insects, and the environment in general. By this measure, man always comes out the loser. This means that not only is human life very cheap, but that mankind is more often than not accused of desecrating the sacredness of the environment. This accounts for the viciously anti-human tirades leveled at all of us today, such as: "a rat is a pig is a dog is a boy. They all feel pain. There is no rational basis for saying that a human being has special rights" (Ingrid Newkirk, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals).

Both the ancients and today's neo-pagans were and are concerned with population control, which was then as it is today, practiced through rampant abortion, infanticide, child abandonment, eugenics, controlled marriages, and homosexuality, among other methods. Thus both the ancient pagan model and today's neo-pagan version are inherently anti-human.

Here again is Laventi Pavlovich Beria expressing his neo-pagan view of ''earth as a living organism'' and mankind as "matter," or as he put it-- an "aggregation of cells." Remember, he is claiming these things in the name of science: "Man isâ?¦a colonial aggregation of cellsâ?¦to consider him an individual would be an errorâ?¦Earth is an individual organism. Earth has as its organs the various races and nations of men. Where one of these is permitted to remain disaffected, Earthâ?¦is threatened with deathâ?¦rebellion of one countryâ?¦against the total organism of Earth, would find Earth sick" (Russian Manual On Psychopolitics). The shrill hysteria surrounding the myth of global warming comes into focus in light of the neo-pagan worldview.

Another neo-pagan, and contemporary of Beria is Al Gore. His book, "Earth in the Balance" is redolent of neo-pagan pantheism. He writes approvingly of the Gaia (earth goddess) theory, which teaches that inorganic nature is "part of life itself." He speaks rapturously of the ''living world,'' the ''sacredness of earth,'' the ''sacredness of water,'' and so forth.

So what are the evils of social conservatives and Christians in particular, by the reckoning of Gore, Beria, and their ilk? Capitalismâ??a natural out-growth of individualism. In Beria's words: "Thus the putrescent illness of Capitalist States, spreading its pus and bacteriaâ?¦would not do otherwise than to bring about Earth's death unless these ill organisms are brought into loyalty and obedience."

In both the ancient humanist model and in today's version thereof, mankind must belong to and exist for, the good of the state. In ancient times this view, coupled to the idea that human life was cheap, led to slavery (half of Rome's population were slaves), human sacrifice, humans used as entertainment (in the arenas, for example), cannibalism, and so forth. In today's version, we can see examples of this view in the use of dehumanizing terms such as "non-persons," "uterine content," and "human resources" (animated tools). The fight to prevent drilling for oil in Alaska, as well as the numerous cases of Americans losing their homes, land, jobs, etc. all give evidence of humanist nature worship.

However, not all human life was viewed as being cheap. A small number of peopleâ??high priests, kings, Caesars, etc., stood apart from the masses and were viewed as being magical and/or godlike. This was because they were the interpreters of nature's divine forces. Because these ''elites'' seemingly possessed these abilities, and were thus the vital link between the masses of ''lesser beings'' and nature's divinity, they thus became the ultimate source of knowledge and authority. Quite literally, whatever they felt or thought became the law of the land. Self-evidently, this way of thinking united both secular and religious powers in one, which leads to but one end---totalitarianism.

Aristotle articulated all of these concepts in "Politics," which closely mirrors the thinking of today's neo-pagan globalists, who seek to ''heal the world'' by collectivizing the world's population into global oneness (they call this "peace, equality, and social justice): "that some should rule and others be ruled is not only necessary but expedient; from the hour of their birth, some are marked out for subjection, others for ruleâ?¦It is clearâ?¦that some men are by nature free and others slaves, and that for these latter, slavery isâ?¦expedient and rightâ?¦The citizen should be moulded to suit the form of government under which he livesâ?¦citizensâ?¦belong to the State." (Source: "The Theme Is Freedom," by M. Stanton Evans, pp. 133)

Georg Hegel restated Aristotle's concepts: "The State is the absolute reality and the individualâ?¦has existence, truth, morality only in his capacity as a member of the State."

Once more, here are the ''evils'' that lead to divisiveness and loss of ''oneness'' within the state: "The tenets of rugged individualism, personal determinism, self-willâ?¦personal creativeness areâ?¦antipathetic to the good of the Greater State. These willful and unaligned forces areâ?¦an illness." (Laventi Pavlovich Beria, "Russian Manual on Psychopolitics)

Exactly what is ''individualism,'' how is it linked to Christianity, and why do collectivists see it as evil? Part of the answer is revealed by how the whole world counts time: Before Christ (B.C.) and A.D. (Anno Domini). Before Christ (B.C.), the collectivization and/or ''oneness'' of pagan pantheism ruled the world. The process of ''individualizing human beings'' first began when the Word (God of the Bible) led, what was labeled as the lesser beings known as Hebrews out of bondage to the Egyptians. The Hebrews subsequent actions literally paved the way for the birth of Jesus Christ. Keep in mind that because human life, and in particular that of unborn and newborns was cheap, Christ's birth was truly a miraculous event, given prevailing attitudes.

Jesus Christ, having been ''born into the darkness of the world'' proved Himself to be the world's ultimate Revolutionary and One Source of true Enlightenment. It was His gospel of ''Good News'' that brought salvation to the souls of the lesser beings. He did this by revealing to them that each and every human person is created in the image of his Maker, endowed with both intrinsic value and a soul within which reside both conscience and free-will. Jesus Christ literally liberated the souls of all lesser beings from the miasma of ''oneness,'' thereby bringing them out of the darkness of spiritual bondage and into the light where their spirits could soar freely as unique individuals, as they are before the eyes of their Maker.

Tragically, we have forgotten how profoundly radical Paul's message to Philemon was when, in writing to Philemon about his run-away slave Onesimus, Paul said: "Receive him (Onesimus) not as a slave, but as a brother beloved." This was among the most revolutionary concepts the world had ever heardâ??a slaveâ??a lesser being on the level of a soulless animal who could be used as an animated tool, was actually a beloved brother.

Jesus Christ's radical gospel proclaimed that God is Sovereign over the whole of creation, thus there is no such thing as ''divine'' kings, elites, etc. It further proclaimed that all men are equally ''fallen'' and therefore sinners. These revolutionary concepts were literally cataclysmic in their effects upon the ancient power structure. Christ proclaimed that no one is above God's law, no human being is to be worshipped, nature (the creation) is not to be worshipped, and no human being has the right to force his will upon the rest of God's children. The spread of the Good News eventually led to the collapse of the ancient world.

"There is no greater drama in human record than the sight of a few Christians, scorned or oppressed byâ?¦emperors, bearing all trials with a fiery tenacity, multiplying quietly, building order while their enemies generated chaos, fighting the sword with the word, brutality with hope, and at long last defeating the strongest state that history has ever known. Caesar and Christ had met in the arena and Christ had won" (Will Durant, "Caesar and Christ: A History of Roman Civilization and of Christianity From Their Beginnings to A.D. 325, pp 652).

Christ's "Good News" served as the leavening agent for Western thinkers, and led to the creation of Christendom. Then, marching under the authority of God, America's revolutionary leaders founded America and enshrined the Good News in the Declaration of Independence--the principal manifesto of the American Revolution and of American culture and politics in general. The scriptural origin is apparent in the very words: ''all men are created equal'' and that they are ''endowed by the Creator with certain unalienable rightsâ?¦" Patrick Henry, 1775: "It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists but by Christians; not on religions, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom here."

Benjamin Franklin, 1748: "Freedom is not a gift bestowed upon us by other men, but a right that belongs to us by the laws of Godâ?¦"

One of the very first proclamations madeâ??In the Name of Science, Amen!â??by evolutionary humanists was: ''God is Dead!" Almost in the same breath they proclaimedâ??In the Name of Science, Amen!â??that man is henceforth a soulless animalâ??an ''aggregation of cells'' with no particular value, no conscience, and no free-will. Since those initial decrees, neo-pagan humanists have been working towards the collectivization of human-cells into a New/Old World global village where worship of nature takes precedence over soulless aggregations of human-cells.

In describing Christian America, Benjamin Franklin observed: "Atheism is unknown there. Infidelity is rare and secret; so that persons may live to a great age in that country without having their piety shocked by meeting with either Atheist or an Infidel." Patrick Henry warned that: "It is when people forget God that tyrants forge their chains."

As Americans began turning their backs on God, atheist and infidel alike began crawling out of the dark, sharpening their swords, and forging our chains. God-haters calling themselves the ACLU, PFAW, GSLEN, GLAAD, PFLAG, George Soros, Michael Moore, Al Franken, Code Pink, the New York Times and its army of mainstream infidels, progressives, liberals, secular humanists, radical peace-activists, PETA, and so on. An army of parasitic infidels, having declared that our founders and Christian conservatives are mentally-ill, are working day and night to demolish America and re-enslave your souls.

Sources:

"Brave New Schools: Chronology Index" by Berit Kjos www.conservativeusa.org/goalsofpsychiatry

"The Theme is Freedom, Religion, Politics and the American Tradition" M. Stanton Evans

"What If Jesus Christ Had Never Been Born?" Dr. James Kennedy

"The Russian Manual on Psychopolitics" patriot-publications.com

Founder's quotes from www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/founding.html About the Writer: Linda Kimball is a writer and author of numerous articles and essays on culture, politics, and world view. Linda receives e-mail at [email protected].

Well, yes, believing the world was created by an invisible man who cares who you fuck or whether you eat meat on friday is insane. Glad someone finally said so. And no, I don't just hate christianity, I hate islam, too. buddism hasn't started any wars that I am aware of, so I don't hate it, but it is still superstitious stupidity, as are any other someone wishes to throw up. We are chimps with nucleur weapons. Scary, huh?

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Originally Posted by andruejaysin

We are chimps with nucleur weapons. Scary, huh?

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Are we???? :confused: Can you prove that beyond a reasonable doubt?

Or are we something else? Maybe not God created, maybe something alien cross bred. Maybe I been smokin' too much and watching too much X Files, but the truth is out there and I want to believe. LOL

But, my point is, what if those who first saw Jesus and taught us to believe in God actually only had first contact with some aliens who were so advanced that they seemed all powerful & omnipotent? So Jesus was an alien and those around Him thought Him to be God. I don't really know, I am just speculating, because does anyone really know??? There is definitely something out there. Call it Karma, call it universal inteligence, but there is something we don't fully understand or comprehend.

I can't wait to see the replies to this thread. :thumbsup:

An alien cross breed? The biological definition of "species" is individuals closely enough related to reproduce and produce fertile offspring. You are far more genetically similar to the pot in your joint than you could ever be to a life form from another planet. Which is not to say that I don't believe there is life on other planets, I do. Evidence of bacterial life on mars has been pretty solidly established. OK, microbes dead long before there were dinosaurs, so what? The "so what" is staggering. If life exists on two planets in the same solar system, then the obvious implication is that life exist wherever conditions permit it. And that would mean more planets with life than there are hairs upon the heads of all the people on earth. But if you have an explanation of how they came here, in a journey requiring less than centuries, then a nobel prize in physics awaits you. As to your original question, chimps are more genetically similar to humans than to gorillas. If DNA is sufficient to send a man to death row, then I MUST ASSUME IT IS PROOF BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUGHT.

Atheist Frank Zindler said,

"The most devastating thing though that biology did to Christianity was the discovery of biological evolution. Now that we know that Adam and Eve never were real people the central myth of Christianity is destroyed. If there never was an Adam and Eve there never was an original sin. If there never was an original sin there is no need of salvation. If there is no need of salvation there is no need of a saviour. And I submit that puts Jesus, historical or otherwise, into the ranks of the unemployed. I think that evolution is absolutely the death knell of Christianity."

Frank Zindler, American atheist, in a debate with William Craig, Atheism vs Christianity video, Zondervan, 1996.

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I remember reading, about 15 or 20 years ago, an article by Zindler about the possibility of cross-breeding humans with apes (probably chimps, but I don't recall). He volunteered to be the sperm-donor (the ape-bitch being artificially inseminated, of course) for the first "monkey-man", and even wanted to raise the "baby" himself! :thumbsup Maybe the result would make a better world leader than the ones we now have.

There may have been life on Titan, a moon of Saturn.

Looking for life on Titan

A fanciful robotic probe (2nd pic) explores a gelid ethane lake on Titan. Like the European Space Agency's Huygens probe, this probe carries its own light source as the surface of Titan is only 0.1 percent as bright as the Earth's. The probe is built like a shiny steel thermos in order to help insulate it from Titan's staggering cold.

Titan is host to a plethora of organic (carbon-based) compounds, hence this is one of the few places in the Solar System where life outside of the Earth may have evolved. In many ways, Titan resembles a frozen primordial Earth, though the greatest obstacle to Titan harboring life--as we know it--is the extreme cold. Even though all the chemical ingredients are present, Titan simply may not be warm enough to initiate the chemical reactions required for life.

Perhaps sometime in the next decade such a mission to Titan will be a reality.

http://www.arcadiastreet.com/cgvistas/saturn_040.htm

Think about that. Trillions of years ago, when it was closer to the sun, it could have had our ancestors. And then aliens brought us to Earth when it got cold.

Or the species moved underground.

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Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat

Atheist Frank Zindler said,

"The most devastating thing though that biology did to Christianity was the discovery of biological evolution. Now that we know that Adam and Eve never were real people the central myth of Christianity is destroyed. If there never was an Adam and Eve there never was an original sin. If there never was an original sin there is no need of salvation. If there is no need of salvation there is no need of a saviour. And I submit that puts Jesus, historical or otherwise, into the ranks of the unemployed. I think that evolution is absolutely the death knell of Christianity."

Frank Zindler, American atheist, in a debate with William Craig, Atheism vs Christianity video, Zondervan, 1996.

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I remember reading, about 15 or 20 years ago, an article by Zindler about the possibility of cross-breeding humans with apes (probably chimps, but I don't recall). He volunteered to be the sperm-donor (the ape-bitch being artificially inseminated, of course) for the first "monkey-man", and even wanted to raise the "baby" himself! :thumbsup Maybe the result would make a better world leader than the ones we now have.

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Howdy Breukelen,

Biological evolution to me,just means that God knew what He was doing when He created the world.

You take biological evolution as all the 'proof' you need,in order to say that there's no God,you accept what the anti-creationists have to say at face value,even if their theory hasn't been proven..it's still just a theory,dreamed up by imperfect men who only have 5 senses to view the world with,and those 5 senses,aren't even as good as a simple dog.

My faith doesn't diminish because of evolution theory,it thrives in the face of it.

Have a good one ....

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Originally Posted by Torog

Howdy Breukelen, Biological evolution to me,just means that God knew what He was doing when He created the world. You take biological evolution as all the 'proof' you need,in order to say that there's no God,you accept what the anti-creationists have to say at face value,even if their theory hasn't been proven..it's still just a theory,dreamed up by imperfect men who only have 5 senses to view the world with,and those 5 senses,aren't even as good as a simple dog. My faith doesn't diminish because of evolution theory,it thrives in the face of it. Have a good one ....

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Yo, Torog,

How ya doin?

The "five senses" of "imperfect men" are not equivilent to the very formidable history of scientific theory. The religious anti-evolutionists always say that it is "just a theory", and this seems to give credence to their anti-science arguments - but only to those that have little familiarity with scientific reasoning and philosophy. When you are dealing with science, there is no "fact" until something has been proven beyond any doubt. The creationists say, of evolution, with an air of rightful indignation, â??Itâ??s only a THEORY!â?�

There are many things that are accepted as â??factâ?�, as evolution is by most scientists, but are still classified as theories due to the need for further research and a total model. I am in no way qualified to speak as a scientiest, because I am not trained in it, but I can say this with 100% certainty, because I understand the idea of getting things right. Nobody is going to suffer or die if the â??theoryâ?� of evolution turns out to be wrong, but in the case of many other things that the scientific disciplines are depended upon for certainty, people could. Thatâ??s all it is - a precaution, for very good reason. The Pat Robertsonâ??s of the world know that their audiences do not understand this, and exploit it. Even the Catholic Church has acknowledged the validity of the theory of human evolution - as more and more people in the world do each day. It is not mandatory for Catholics to accept Darwinian evolution, though, and I know several Catholics that do not. Just as a disclaimer, I am only using this instance of the Catholic Chuch as an example of a very backwards organization that has made a somewhat better intellectual decision, albeit in the face of almost incontrovertible evidence.

You will rarely, if ever, hear a scientist say that something is a "scientific fact". This does not mean that many things are not factual, it's just keeping within the boundaries of their chosen discipline.

Take it eeez!

Interesting thoughts. I have to agree with Torog in that evolution is something God did (if there is a God). So, it makes sense to me that creation and evolution go hand in hand. Maybe if the 2 sides of the coin could see this, there would be less fighting over who is actually right.

My theory (based on all the info out there) is this: Firstly, the Bible was written and translated by men (not women) so it's bound to have flaws either through translations or through misunderstandings of what happened in those times and/or how men interpretted what they saw happening around them. It's still quite possible that Jesus was an alien being and just appeared Godly because he was superior to man at that time he appeared and walked on earth. Surely, I must appear like a god to my child who doesn't understand how to cook but watches me fly through the process like a breeze. That's just a for instance.

It's just possible that God did create the heavens and the earth but he was smart enough to build in the evolution factor so as to ensure continued life here. The book of Genesis doesn't even consider that. In fact, the Book doesn't even explain dinosaurs, etc. unless Adam & Eve were prehistoric neandrathal people. So, it seems to me, the Bible is missing some crucial information that screams out it can't possibly be the whole truth.

Torog also mentions our "5 senses", but in fact, we have more, they have just been supressed over time. But he is right, that supression has also made our remaining 5 senses dull and less than many of the animals around us.

beachguy in thongs raises the point that we might have lived on another planet and been moved or even moved ourselves when that planet got too cold. Sounds perfectly reasonable to me. After all, isn't it true that anything is possible?

My point is that I don't think any one theory explains everything. I think a combination of theories is necessary to understand what is really going on. Perhaps the acceptance of a combination of theories will stop all the bickering about who is right and which theory should prevail. Until the absolute truth is known, all theories should be permissable and taught in school.

"You are far more genetically similar to the pot in your joint than you could ever be to a life form from another planet." - I love this comment. How could you say that? Have you met a being from another planet to be able to make that comparison? I'll bet you believe every snowflake is unique too. Have you checked every snowflake to say with absolute certainty?

Then this comment:

"If DNA is sufficient to send a man to death row, then I MUST ASSUME IT IS PROOF BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUGHT." - Well, you know what happens when you "assume" anything. You make an ass (out of) u (and) me.

Come on, we can't even decide which theory best explains how we came to be. It is just possible that far reaching space travel is possible and we either forgot how over time, just like our senses have been supressed, or we haven't figured it out yet, but others have. I am not so egocentric as to think I am the be all and end all of the universe and there is nothing better out there. If you believe in other life in the universe, surely you can believe that someone out there can travel great distances in short time frames. Just because we haven't figured it out, doesn't mean someone else hasn't.

On this comment:

"The creationists say, of evolution, with an air of rightful indignation, â??Itâ??s only a THEORY!â?� "

To me, even the creationist version is only a theory. I wasn't there at the time and I didn't see what really happened, so I can only speculate, which makes it a theory.

So again, it is entirely possible that what is really true is some combination of existing theories.

Next! :D

Howdy Everybody,
(ever do that intro Torog? LOL)

I don't like to rule anything out myself. Maybe there is, maybe there isn't. Might be this faith, maybe that one. Why take the chance...leave all doors open just in case! :thumbsup:


FLIP-FLOPPIN' LIKE A DEMOCRAT IN HEAT!! :D

I saw "War of the Worlds" the other day. Cool movie.

I didn't read the whole things, but I'm of the mind that religion is the cause of most of the world's ills today, directly or indirectly. The problem of religion lies with DOGMA, believing something because you're told to, or because you feel you have to.

Reason is the only thing worth worshipping, think about your existence, your environment. Like Sam Harris says, "Atheism is a refusal to deny the obvious."

To me, when you're willing to kill people because they don't believe in the same god you do, or hating homosexuals just because, or believing God is your side and protects you while ignoring the million of innocent children dying of hunger, disease and violence.... Yup, that borders on mental instability.

TOROG, since you profess to believe in "GOD" please answer me this,

If one day you were riding a bus and you saw a woman get on in a wheelchair and then you had a great revalation from "god" and he instructed you to walk up to her and "heal" so she could get out of her chair and walk WOULD YOU DO IT?

-or not?
and if you say you would, think about this, she'd tell her friends that you healed her, and then they'd tell their friends and soon the whole world would be at your door.

dont have nightmares

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Originally Posted by seattle420

TOROG, since you profess to believe in "GOD" please answer me this,

If one day you were riding a bus and you saw a woman get on in a wheelchair and then you had a great revalation from "god" and he instructed you to walk up to her and "heal" so she could get out of her chair and walk WOULD YOU DO IT?

-or not?
and if you say you would, think about this, she'd tell her friends that you healed her, and then they'd tell their friends and soon the whole world would be at your door.

dont have nightmares

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Howdy seattle420,

I would be honored,for God to work through me to heal the woman,and if she told her friends,then I reckon that such is God's Will and I would 'heal'..till I fell over from exhaustion,then git up and heal some more.

I can't consciencously recall if God has spoken to me or not,but I suspect that when I was on the operating table for my double fusion,for longer than expected,that I may have had a visit with God..but even so-I can't recall if such happened,I just know that I started being more Christ-like in my approach to life..I started to cast away my old ways and I believe,that God humbled me several times,to reinforce that possible meeting that I may have had with God. I believe that God 'talks' to me,by way of many subtle messages,sometimes through and from other folks,it's up to me to 'listen'.

Have a good one ....

thanks lothar

here is a sick story

Jan 18, 2006 9:32 am US/Central

Attorney: Money For Amsterdam Coffee Shop
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(AP) Chaska, Minn. A Chaska, Minn. man and three of his friends allegedly planned to kill his parents for money so they could open a coffee shop in Amsterdam, an attorney for the victim's family said.

Nancy Everson, 52, was shot to death in her home in Chaska early Sunday while her husband escaped out a window. Their son, Grant Everson, 20, and his three alleged accomplices were expected to be arraigned Wednesday on murder charges and related charges in Carver County District Court.

The Everson family attorney, Marsh Halberg, said at least one of the suspects told investigators the four had planned to use money they would get from the deaths of Nancy and Tom Everson to start a coffee shop in Amsterdam.

Friends said Grant Everson grew up hunting and camping with his family but had argued with his parents about grades and curfews in high school. After graduating from Chaska High School in 2003, he had tried living with friends several times but ended up moving back home, said friend Brianna Warner. He also had tried several jobs, including being a pizza delivery man and working at Best Buy and at a cell phone service center.

His portrayal as a killer "is not him. It's the total opposite of him," said Brandon Pike, who said Grant has been his best friend since seventh grade. Pike graduated from high school with Grant and has known him since they played on the same basketball team in second grade. He said that when he saw Grant a few weeks ago at the Eden Prairie Mall, Grant played with Pike's 8-month-old son and said he had started taking courses at Normandale Community College.

According to college records, Grant Everson has never been enrolled as a student at Normandale Community College.

Grant worked on cars and hunted with his dad and went on retreats with youth from the family's church, the Lake Fellowship of Unitarian Universalists, which his mother chaperoned, said Karen Pike, who dated Grant in high school before marrying Brandon Pike.

Grant occasionally cut school to go snowboarding or hang out with friends playing video games or listening to punk or rock music, Warner said. He was pulled over about two years ago by a Chaska officer who found him with marijuana and gave him a strict warning, Warner recalled. He also fed her family cat when they were away and sometimes changed her car's engine oil, she said.

The last time Warner talked to him a few weeks ago, Grant said he was getting his life together, going to college and getting along well with his parents, who liked his longtime girlfriend.

Warner said she can't imagine Grant acting violently toward anyone. "There has to be some explanation. I know that he is not stupid enough or ignorant enough to plan or carry out something like this," she said. "It makes me wonder what had gone on the past few days that was so horrible that he thought he had no way out."

She said can't feel anything but shock until she visits her friend in jail and asks him, "Grant, what the hell happened?"

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Howdy Breukelen,

Biological evolution to me,just means that God knew what He was doing when He created the world.

You take biological evolution as all the 'proof' you need,in order to say that there's no God,you accept what the anti-creationists have to say at face value,even if their theory hasn't been proven..it's still just a theory,dreamed up by imperfect men who only have 5 senses to view the world with,and those 5 senses,aren't even as good as a simple dog.

My faith doesn't diminish because of evolution theory,it thrives in the face of it.

Have a good one ....

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Gravity is also "just a theory."

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Originally Posted by UIowaHawk17

Gravity is also "just a theory."

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Isn't it just possible that there is a God and He is responsible for the process of evolution? Wouldn't that idea satisfy everyone? Then we could all stop bickering about who and what origin theory is correct and get on with more important global issues like how we can stop destroying our environmental life support systems (earth, air, water) and how the American Admin. is pushing us through fear, towards a slave state?

Why wouldn't God in His all mighty omnipotence ( I almost wrote impotence - Damned Archie Bunker!!) create earth and a viable means of sustainability such as evolution??? :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by mfactor420

Isn't it just possible that there is a God and He is responsible for the process of evolution? Wouldn't that idea satisfy everyone? Then we could all stop bickering about who and what origin theory is correct and get on with more important global issues like how we can stop destroying our environmental life support systems (earth, air, water) and how the American Admin. is pushing us through fear, towards a slave state?

Why wouldn't God in His all mighty omnipotence ( I almost wrote impotence - Damned Archie Bunker!!) create earth and a viable means of sustainability such as evolution??? :thumbsup:

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no.

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Originally Posted by F L E S H

no.

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You wanna justify that response? It means nothing without some reasoning behind why it is not possible.

Allow me on his behalf.

You have a theory, you test it. You prove it right, well done, you're on the road to making deeper insiteful revalations.
You dont - well dont, your on a different road of enquiry, and while knowing that 1 facet to your theory is flawed.

Consider any relegion as a theory. Get some evidence, and test it. So, as described, Adam and Eve are out, so thats a flaw in the bible, and the idea of JC going to the X for the 'original sin'.......ahh I'm going to stop there - some people are not capable to think outside what they've been brought up with.

Basically, if your life shows you events that really make the existance of a benevolant being complete arse, then you're probably right, so your idea falls down.

Basically, there is no common ground. If there was, Dubya would be high-5ing Bin Laden over a game of monoploy and no-one would have ever died from relegious conflict.

Yes, its sad, but thats the world for you

If I read Funken correctly, he is correct about one thing for sure...there is no way to prove or disprove the existance of god, or gods. It's a matter of what one chooses to believe.

On the Adam and Eve thing, I really hope it is just a quaint story. But if it is really fact, it would explain a lot. Since they were alone on the planet and had children, in order for the rest of the population to have come about someone was doing their parents, siblings and cousins...hence the gene pool was fucked from day one.

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Originally Posted by bonsaiguy

On the Adam and Eve thing, I really hope it is just a quaint story. But if it is really fact, it would explain a lot. Since they were alone on the planet and had children, in order for the rest of the population to have come about someone was doing their parents, siblings and cousins...hence the gene pool was fucked from day one.

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Now, there's something I'd like to see Bible thumping Christians explain. :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by mfactor420

Now, there's something I'd like to see Bible thumping Christians explain. :thumbsup:

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You can't reason with them. See the quote below - that's what it's about: the "pathology" that Freddy is talking about is a defective brain, and religion was, according to him, the number one culpret responsible for the worst aspects of human behavior in history.

BTW, Nietzsche smoked hash. The man knew his stuff!

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Originally Posted by andruejaysin

An alien cross breed? The biological definition of "species" is individuals closely enough related to reproduce and produce fertile offspring. You are far more genetically similar to the pot in your joint than you could ever be to a life form from another planet. Which is not to say that I don't believe there is life on other planets, I do. Evidence of bacterial life on mars has been pretty solidly established. OK, microbes dead long before there were dinosaurs, so what? The "so what" is staggering. If life exists on two planets in the same solar system, then the obvious implication is that life exist wherever conditions permit it. And that would mean more planets with life than there are hairs upon the heads of all the people on earth. But if you have an explanation of how they came here, in a journey requiring less than centuries, then a nobel prize in physics awaits you. As to your original question, chimps are more genetically similar to humans than to gorillas. If DNA is sufficient to send a man to death row, then I MUST ASSUME IT IS PROOF BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUGHT.

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You're a dumb motherfucker, that's why nobody has posted a logical counterargument to your post. Oh, well, how does that old Charlie Daniels song (LOL, Tholiak!) go? I told you once, you sonofabitch, I'm the best there's ever been. Don't get scared, it's only a game.

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An alien cross breed? The biological definition of "species........
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You're a dumb motherfucker, that's why nobody has posted a logical counterargument to your post. Oh, well, how does that old Charlie Daniels song (LOL, Tholiak!) go? I told you once, you sonofabitch, I'm the best there's ever been. Don't get scared, it's only a game.

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You quoted yourself, and it seems like you are calling yourself a "dumb motherfucker", and a "sonofabitch".

You owe yourself an apology.

Just wondering! :dance:

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Originally Posted by beachguy in thongs

Think about that. Trillions of years ago, when it was closer to the sun, it could have had our ancestors. And then aliens brought us to Earth when it got cold.

Or the species moved underground.

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Even a half a trillion years ago, the world was more complex than your simple mind could comprehend. But evoluton is for those not left behind. Sorry, dude, you didn't make the cut............

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Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat

You quoted yourself, and it seems like you are calling yourself a "dumb motherfucker", and a "sonofabitch".

You owe yourself an apology.

Just wondering! :dance:

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Sarcasm is lost on the stupid.