i just saw a commercial on the tv that said that depression can be caused by high seratonin levels. according to beachguy's signature, one J increases seratonin levels 4,000%. could this be why there are a lot of depressed smokers out there?
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i just saw a commercial on the tv that said that depression can be caused by high seratonin levels. according to beachguy's signature, one J increases seratonin levels 4,000%. could this be why there are a lot of depressed smokers out there?
The data is sketchy at best but there are some indications that weed smokers are already using weed to self medicate their depression. And when you run out, the depression can kick in again for a few days until you sort of detox. There is also some evidence (again, sketchy at best) that long term use can lead to some depression but it's unclear which is the cause, the chicken and egg thing. from personal experience I can't say as I've ever felt depressed when I'm smoking but I know that there is a definite couple of down and cranky days after I run out and when I find out that there is more coming I definitely feel more up and happy in anticipation of the next connection.
Then again, psychologists and psychiatrists tend to think everyone is depressed or emotionally disturbed in some way.
You might be on to something... but the Government lie, so I doubt it's true :)
entirely wrong
present research says stoners are more happy n carefree than people not stoned
btw, i've never fukkn met any type of depressed stoner, wtf
There are quite a few depressed stoners here.Quote:
Originally Posted by UnViaje
I can't remember who it is, but someone here (known quite well) said he gets depressed most days.
yeah, but theres no merit in blaming the bud
prolly just a lil bitch. soft
I used to get depressed a lot, but it seemed it was only when I ran out of pot or had to stop smoking. Pot makes me so much better, it's like an instant, as well as long term, anti depressant for me. :)
its not coz someone is alrdy depressed, and then smokes, that hes depressed coz he smokes
this is bullshit
man everything anyone reads on this site or anyother pro marijuana site is usually is so biased anyway. they could have a headline saying that new studies show that if you smoke marijuana while you're young then you will be happy and make lots of money when you're older. and people would start being like wait a second, didn't our old stoner buddy chris get that one job, you know CEO of Coca-Cola, and start believing that shit.
I know that's a bit extreme but really, a lot of you guys don't believe shit you read about pot unless it comes from a pro mj source.
My point exactly. Especially if you're using on a daily basis, quitting will often lead to some mild depression for a couple days. I'm not knocking self medicating. People did it all the time before the AMA came along and still do. Most of the time they don't even realize they are doing it. It's not a matter of blaming the bud. Never blame drugs for your problems. But drugs can and in many cases are a result of issues like depression and anxiety. That being said, the medical community often diagnoses depression when they really don't know what the problem is. I know of several people who were initially diagnosed with depression, prescribed some commercial chemical and ended up having thyroid problems or something else that had nothing to do with depression.Quote:
Originally Posted by 420kidder
same goes for dumbass noobs or nonsmokers believing everything in anti-marijuana campaignsQuote:
I know that's a bit extreme but really, a lot of you guys don't believe shit you read about pot unless it comes from a pro mj source.
2 way street
Haha, could well be :DQuote:
Originally Posted by UnViaje
dude, the only bad effects of weed are that it is smoke, so bad for your lungs, and it can favorise a lil but mental illiness, when you have some in your family or whateverQuote:
Originally Posted by DazedandConfused
i doubt that weed causes depression. but again, if pro-marijuana ppl tend to only beleive pro-marijuana facts, anti-marijuana ppl ten to beleive only anti-marijuana facts
me too, but then i realized it was choice. i wasnt gonna get bent outta shape cuz i didnt have bud, fuck that. i'm already cool, just more badazz when stoned, simply put.Quote:
I used to get depressed a lot, but it seemed it was only when I ran out of pot or had to stop smoking. Pot makes me so much better, it's like an instant, as well as long term, anti depressant for me.
im all about pot being legalised and i'm definately pro-pot, but facts are facts. if high seratonin levels can cause depression, and weed increases seratonin levels, then that right there should fuckin tell you something man. that doesn't mean everyone that gets high is going to be depressed, just like not all cigarette smokers have lung cancer.
yea but what i dont understand is how can weed increase melatonin of 4000%?
i tought melatonin was an hormone (can be sold in pills to help sleep), and in too much quantity it can be bad for the system. but i dont see how weed has been that abd for my system, and i smoke since 4 years. so is really weed increasing melatonin of 4000%?
thats the question
Actually, depression is caused by low seratonin levels in the brain, so, one J does increase it by 4000%, then the reports are false because like I said, low ser. levels, cause depression.Quote:
Originally Posted by DazedandConfused
I think there are a few types of depression. There is depression from some people because they may have been abused or severly mistreated by others. This type of depression can be cured with the help of talking to someone, proffessional or not, and somewhat, "wiping the slate clean."
Then there is depression that is unavoidable, where the brain, no matter what without the right medication, won't produce enough seratonin causing a person to become depressed. They call these people manic depressive or bi-polar. The only way to get these "trapped" chemicals in your brain is to use the right prescription drugs, or use marijuana, for obvious reasons (4000%).
For me, I'm bi-polar and I only use Zyprexa to keep my anxiety down, I don't use anti-depressants anymore. I inherited it from my mother, my mother from her mother, etc...I'm not depressed, we all have our days, but I use a healthy dose of THC daily to keep myself positive.
^^^^you might be reading up on the wrong thing its called seratonin not melatonin but I don't know what either one is so don't get mad at me lol
yea wuts the dif btw seratonin an melatnin? im confused right now
NO
Your more LIKELY to smoke pot if your ALREADY depressed the link is there,
are you retarded ? you said your self you saw those information on a tv commercial??? facts from tv commercial are not facts! dude come on! take a better source of information! no offense by the way, just wanted to slap you in the face!Quote:
Originally Posted by DazedandConfused
-Peace out :dance:
heres a concise page describing low serotonin causing depression
http://www.diagnose-me.com/cond/C14113.htmlQuote:
Serotonin levels can dictate if you feel depressed or not. Antidepressant medications like Paxil, Zoloft, St. John's Wort, and Prozac work by preventing serotonin destruction and loss. These antidepressants inhibit serotonin uptake ( or reuptake) by the neurons in the brains. Low serotonin levels cause depression.
Plus, i am a heavy smoker, and even when i cut on the dope for several weeks i tend to be happier as i understand life better now, so if some people feels depressed because they smoke, it's not because of a chemical reaction but more because of the negative vibe around weed itself...you know, if you've always been told pot is depressive, you'll feel depressed...so if there is really a chemical reaction that gets people depressed, it will be for everybody! like you said facts are facts!
Like the other dude said, the only thing bad about pot is the smoke...
-peace out
im bipolar i think. I need drugs to get up. I use pot as my medicine although its not the strongest drug i think it is the best and it is medicine unlike other drugs which get u will get u higher but tear up your body and. mind pot is just good medicine.
I think its also important to say that I dont think pot cures depression i can still get down when im on it but i would be way more down without it.
just my 2 stoner sense
I think you are all wrong. Pot does cause depression if you over do it. The problem is it can make you think TOO much and in some cases you think of the worse instead of the better. Paranoia causes depression and pot causes paranoia.
Yeah pot is definitely a depressant.
i second that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nicko81m
plus all you that havent got depression wouldnt know shit if pot makes you more depressed.
You just made me think of soccer mom type bitches who look at you all funny when your high, it's like they know your high and look down on it so badly. Thats a negative depressing type high you can get if you live around a bunch of people like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by daves19
I definately get some anxiety if I go somewhere straight after work and don't smoke, but as soon as I smoke I feel a hella lot better. Someone said earlier about the pot detox, I think that's true. If I go a couple days I don't think about it nearly as much. But who the fuck wants to go a couple days? Actually I do, but not too much. :rasta: :p
the depression comes when you smoke pot for a long time, or even worse; smoke it for a long time and then abruptly stop...so go for great marijuana binges, and then take rests and you should be fine
As far as melatonin goes, it's a different chemical altogether-
www.melatonin.com
"Melatonin is the all-natural nightcap. It's secreted by the pineal gland, a pea-size structure at the center of the brain, as our eyes register the fall of darkness.
"At night melatonin is produced to help our bodies regulate our sleep-wake cycles. The amount of it produced by our body seems to lessen as we get older. Scientists believe this may be why young people have less problem sleeping than older people.
Seratonin IS vital to brain function and happiness, however- here's a good site with some info.
http://www.clinical-depression.co.uk/faq/seratonin.htm
Seratonin - Responsible for Depression?
Well not exactly, it's more like seratonin is involved in depression.
Seratonin is responsible for depression in the same way that food is responsible for hunger. If you have more food, the hunger will go away, but it didn't cause it in the first place!
Personally, I feel that drugs of ANY kind should be used in moderation. Seratonin is like a cookie jar, and weed is the milk. We can sit down and enjoy cookies and milk once in a while, and it's kickASS. But if you sit and eat cookies all day every day for years, they're just not that good anymore. Use something in moderation and it'll be better, that's just me.
Peace. :cool:
He NEVER said ppl who ARE stoned ARE happy. it said, when people RUN out they might get MILDLY depressed, FOR A FEW DAYS. SO STFUQuote:
Originally Posted by UnViaje
And btw, yes. After a FEW DAYS (you need to learn to read PROPERLY UnViaje) after a few days of being dry im slighly annoyed and cranky, but iv gone 3 months without weed now. not cus i choose to tho, but cus i need a new dealer. anyway yeah. so its not THAT bad.
idiot. it also can cause STM (short term memory loss)Quote:
Originally Posted by mellow mood
which i KNOW is true, because MOST stoners i know have bad memory, and i do as well, and it has gotten worse ever since i smoked weed.
but yeah, weed's not that bad, slight damage to the brain (SLIGHT) and mainly lung damage.
:dance:
Serotonin is a neurotransmitter (like dopamine), melatonin is responsible for skin pigment.
Been doing it so long I can't tell you if my STM worked well before I started. Working in Corp America for so long I have learned to compensate. (my last boss used to laugh at all the post-it notes in my cube) My wife thinks I was probably ADD when I was a kid but back then, they didn't call it that. They called it "sit down and be quiet or I'll kick your ass and then send you to the principal, who will also kick your ass and call your parents who will seriously tan your hide".Quote:
Originally Posted by CrAzYpOtHeAd
Worked way better than Ritalin.
I would beg to differ on the lung damage since there has yet to be a case of cancer or emphysema attributed to weed. I think there was even a recent study that found that pot can actually reduce/reverse the damage caused by smoking tobacco.
go play some blues or something, man. (without reading for the sheer sake of ragging on you) beachguy's signature says that a joint(s) increases MELATONIN levels of 4000% after two hours.Quote:
Originally Posted by DazedandConfused
lighten up, bro. i can feel your depression over here. no woman no cry.
Uh.
Ever since I've started smoking, I've been feeling way less depressed and stressed out about life in general.
The smoke has to have a negative effect on the lungs in some kind of way.Quote:
Originally Posted by bonsaiguy
Seriously
People who are MORE LIKELY to smoke weed will ALREADY have a under-lining Depression problem BEFORE smoking weed,
to say theres a link between pot and depression is to say breast milk leads on to alcoholicism (if thats even a word)
I depressed because I have'nt had any in over two months. :(
yo ganj, man i am lightened up, you don't even know. i woke n boke in bed.