Are drugs a spiritual intoxication?

I'm a christian, and that's why I believe that things that intoxicate your mind and body might also intoxicate your soul...just look at what people DO when intoxicated. Drunk people look for sex, high people are gluttons and lazy, and stimulants are just plain unhealthy...blah blah blah so on so on so on...the point I'm trying to make here is that during intoxication our morality takes a hit. There are exceptions but I'll get to that.

It makes a lot of sense to think that you're more vulnerable to temptations and "demons", if you choose to believe in them, when under the influence...think of it this way; on a mushroom trip, why is it that you either feel like you're in the hands of God, or else the devil? By that I mean that they can usually either be a magical, wonderful time, or else a bad trip. There's no consitantcy in tripping, and it's safe to say that there are few "neutral" trips, so the kind of trip you have isn't based on a chemical influence, but rather an immaterial one.

To put it this way; I find when I'm on mushrooms, there is no lying to myself. The reflection of myself in the last few weeks almost always comes up at some point during the trip, and I'm confronted with the real me; the picture of me that is unhindered by my bias image of myself. It seems odd that one time I could have an almost magical "journey" across life, where another is a pit of hell (almost quite literally). To put it in my christian perspective, sometimes I feel like God is close, while another trip might leave me feeling seperated from God (goodness). Now WHY is that? Why is it that mushrooms will magnify the situation so that I'm either REALLY happy, or REALLY sad, with the neutral being few and far between.

This is different from other drugs like alchohol, and cannabis, in which the effects are so much less intense. I find the same kind of pattern with these drugs too, aside from the exaggeration of good and bad. Alchohol, being a depressant actaully hinders that exageration so that good is less good and bad is less bad, but all that means is that people will follow their temptations (example would be the tempation to try and sleep with your friends girlfriend who's also drunk) with a much duller sense that what they are doing is wrong. Pot is a lot similar, and I can only really give personal experience to what I'M sometimes like on pot. I usually spend much more money than I should on food, and end up sitting around or falling asleep in sloth. This isn't always the case, but it's evident to me that I'm not like that at all when sober.

The idea that we're more open to this negative influence has also opened up a question of thought. Some people believe that drugs will enlighten us, based on an experience they've had on drugs. I believe I've learned a lot of important things from being high (well, only mushrooms has really left a positive mark on me). In my case it's only when I look at what there is to learn from the good AND bad that comes from drug use. This is just a theory, and I can't get too into it on here as I would have to include a lot more of the christian doctrine...but the idea that drugs could be a spiritual intoxication along with a mental/physical one really does scare me. Because it has to do with what we are a lot more. Someone who, let's say, really WAS spiritually intoxicated could be much more easily swayed (let's just say by a demon) to believe that there was some kind of answer to what they are doing rather than simply realising they're wasting their time, and believing in something that holds no ground

This is where I will leave this topic up for debate. I'm curious for some outside opinions on this issue. I know a lot of people will lie to themselves about their habbits too, making themselves believe that what they are doing isn't really all that bad. I smoke way too much pot, but I keep this habbit under close scrutiny as well. I moniter it as much as I can to make sure it doesn't swallow me up (which happens to a LOT of people, and I've seen a lot of them on this page too)

ok...i only read the first couple words...and then my ADD kicked in...

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Originally Posted by flamingskullballs

ok...i only read the first couple words...and then my ADD kicked in...

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lol, how are you able to read Nietzsche then?

because i find it interesting

i have read up to 11 books at one time, changing books every night, because they bore me if i read them one at a time...

when studying quantum physics, i tend to think about sex, and physics while she rides myself

let me get that straight. You think about sex when studying physics, and physics when having sex?

Funny how the two coincide together...

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Originally Posted by flamingskullballs

ok...i only read the first couple words...and then my ADD kicked in...

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yea me too that always happends. well, i better go take an adderall :D

i dont take medication for my ADD...thats the problem...

if something interests me, then ill take the time to study it...but as it goes, i still havent read your post

Why do you believe something purely physical (or mental, for that matter)would alter the spiritual? I believe the spiritual is completely unconnected with what we do with our mental and physical aspects. If someone were to, for example, be severely damaged physically and mentally from an abusive childhood, their spirit would remain untouched. Unless you think otherwise? Does the spirit change from our experiences?

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Originally Posted by Pyramidsonmars

I'm a christian, and that's why I believe that things that intoxicate your mind and body might also intoxicate your soul...just look at what people DO when intoxicated. Drunk people look for sex, high people are gluttons and lazy, and stimulants are just plain unhealthy...blah blah blah so on so on so on...the point I'm trying to make here is that during intoxication our morality takes a hit. There are exceptions but I'll get to that.

It makes a lot of sense to think that you're more vulnerable to temptations and "demons", if you choose to believe in them, when under the influence...think of it this way; on a mushroom trip, why is it that you either feel like you're in the hands of God, or else the devil? By that I mean that they can usually either be a magical, wonderful time, or else a bad trip. There's no consitantcy in tripping, and it's safe to say that there are few "neutral" trips, so the kind of trip you have isn't based on a chemical influence, but rather an immaterial one.

To put it this way; I find when I'm on mushrooms, there is no lying to myself. The reflection of myself in the last few weeks almost always comes up at some point during the trip, and I'm confronted with the real me; the picture of me that is unhindered by my bias image of myself. It seems odd that one time I could have an almost magical "journey" across life, where another is a pit of hell (almost quite literally). To put it in my christian perspective, sometimes I feel like God is close, while another trip might leave me feeling seperated from God (goodness). Now WHY is that? Why is it that mushrooms will magnify the situation so that I'm either REALLY happy, or REALLY sad, with the neutral being few and far between.

This is different from other drugs like alchohol, and cannabis, in which the effects are so much less intense. I find the same kind of pattern with these drugs too, aside from the exaggeration of good and bad. Alchohol, being a depressant actaully hinders that exageration so that good is less good and bad is less bad, but all that means is that people will follow their temptations (example would be the tempation to try and sleep with your friends girlfriend who's also drunk) with a much duller sense that what they are doing is wrong. Pot is a lot similar, and I can only really give personal experience to what I'M sometimes like on pot. I usually spend much more money than I should on food, and end up sitting around or falling asleep in sloth. This isn't always the case, but it's evident to me that I'm not like that at all when sober.

The idea that we're more open to this negative influence has also opened up a question of thought. Some people believe that drugs will enlighten us, based on an experience they've had on drugs. I believe I've learned a lot of important things from being high (well, only mushrooms has really left a positive mark on me). In my case it's only when I look at what there is to learn from the good AND bad that comes from drug use. This is just a theory, and I can't get too into it on here as I would have to include a lot more of the christian doctrine...but the idea that drugs could be a spiritual intoxication along with a mental/physical one really does scare me. Because it has to do with what we are a lot more. Someone who, let's say, really WAS spiritually intoxicated could be much more easily swayed (let's just say by a demon) to believe that there was some kind of answer to what they are doing rather than simply realising they're wasting their time, and believing in something that holds no ground

This is where I will leave this topic up for debate. I'm curious for some outside opinions on this issue. I know a lot of people will lie to themselves about their habbits too, making themselves believe that what they are doing isn't really all that bad. I smoke way too much pot, but I keep this habbit under close scrutiny as well. I moniter it as much as I can to make sure it doesn't swallow me up (which happens to a LOT of people, and I've seen a lot of them on this page too)

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ok im drunk and dont really care bout what u wrote... but..

i think drugs are a sort of escape... just like a lot of things man.. music for example. it just helps to make things better. but if u NEED drug to feel good, than drugs become a spiritual intoxication. they stop you from evoluating, etc..

drugs are supposed to be good when they are experiences (like hard drugs), or when they help to make u feel better while u can still continue your evolution

everything is good or bad, all depends on the person

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Drunk people look for sex

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lol thats weird, its like when your drunk, your self controll goes out the window and you dont care what people think of you. like you say/do the 1st thing that pops into your mind and your brain skips the part where it says to itself "should i do this? will good things come of this?"

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Originally Posted by sharpezor

lol thats weird, its like when your drunk, your self controll goes out the window and you dont care what people think of you. like you say/do the 1st thing that pops into your mind and your brain skips the part where it says to itself "should i do this? will good things come of this?"

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this is why i love alcohol

i regret 98% of the stuff i do/say the day after :(

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Originally Posted by sharpezor

i regret 98% of the stuff i do/say the day after :(

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well not me i have a nice control of myself on alcohol

im just less shy with girls n everything

to answer your question - no. they're not a spiritual intoxication for me. which could explain the void i sometimes feel? this neutral space sucks.

pretend you are an indian and have never been told shit about the white mans law.and you smoked some bud.you would feel calm and connected to the earth.you have been brainwashed my friend.you must be deprogrammed.

fuck that shit. you dont know what your spirit is until you've gotten blazed out of your mind and actually explore that kinda shit.

That sounds like B.S. to me if anything they allow us to reach new levels of our mind, and better understand our relationship with the universe, which may in turn make the connection with our spiritual self stronger, but in no way do I beleive drugs intoxicate the spirit itself.

the only way to ever effect your spirit is to disconnect yourself from your physical world

I think drugs that affect your hearing organs are considered "spiritual intoxicants".

Sounds good.