Iran leader: Holocaust a 'myth'

TEHRAN, Iran (CNN) -- Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has described the Holocaust as "a myth" and suggested that Israel be moved to Europe, the United States, Canada or Alaska.

Germany, the United States, the European Commission and Israel condemned the remark, with German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier calling it "shocking and unacceptable."

The Israeli government said Ahmadinejad's regime had "a distorted sense of reality."

Ahmadinejad sparked widespread international condemnation in October when he called for Israel to be "wiped off the map."

Last week he also expressed doubt about the killing by the Nazis of six million Jews during World War II, but Wednesday was the first occasion when he said in public that the Holocaust was a myth.

"They have invented a myth that Jews were massacred and place this above God, religions and the prophets," Ahmadinejad said in a speech to thousands of people in the Iranian city of Zahedan, according to a report on Wednesday from Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting (IRIB).

"The West has given more significance to the myth of the genocide of the Jews, even more significant than God, religion, and the prophets," he said. "(It) deals very severely with those who deny this myth but does not do anything to those who deny God, religion, and the prophet."

"If you have burned the Jews, why don't you give a piece of Europe, the United States, Canada or Alaska to Israel," Ahmadinejad said.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/12/14/iran.israel/

And the most amazing part to this is that people, even here on this forum, still think that Iran is entitled to become a nuclear power.

Would anybody in their right mind think that the KKK should have nuclear weapons?

"a piece of the United States... or Alaska." I read that on Google news this morning and had myself a nice chuckle.

Well it seems that Iranian President is just doing what he is told to do by TPTB I also find this intersting "Putin calls Russia defender of Islamic world." http://www.mosnews.com/news/2005/12/...imfriend.shtml
I believe Iran is ready for an attack by U.S. or israel I mean with all the new weapons that Russia been giving Iran they should be ready, so why not provoke them even more maybe Iran knows that once attacked, Russia & China will get involved. .

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Well it seems that Iranian President is just doing what he is told to do by TPTB I also find this intersting "Putin calls Russia defender of Islamic world." http://www.mosnews.com/news/2005/12/...imfriend.shtml
I believe Iran is ready for an attack by U.S. or israel I mean with all the new weapons that Russia been giving Iran they should be ready, so why not provoke them even more maybe Iran knows that once attacked, Russia & China will get involved. .

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Russian weaponry is shit compared to what the U.S. or Israel has. If push come to shove, doesn't matter if it were the U.S. or Israel, Irans nuclear facilities would be dust! :thumbsup:

Remember, Sadamm had the best of what Russia had to offer in the Gulf War.

Russia is the most reliable partner of the Islamic world and most faithful defender of its interests, Russian President Vladimir Putin said in Chechnyaâ??s capital Grozny.


I'm sure that 9 out of 10 Chechins agree. ;)

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Russia is the most reliable partner of the Islamic world and most faithful defender of its interests, Russian President Vladimir Putin said in Chechnyaâ??s capital Grozny.


I'm sure that 9 out of 10 Chechins agree. ;)

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interesting...

it seems that the more proof of holocaust exaggerations, the more defensive and fiery the retorts (sans irrefutable proof)...

but never mind. i trust the word of the united states. any day now, iraqi wmd's will be found and freedom will prevail once more.


very interesting...

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interesting...

it seems that the more proof of holocaust exaggerations, the more defensive and fiery the retorts (sans irrefutable proof)...

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Yay Nick, it never happened! :cool:

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Russian weaponry is shit compared to what the U.S. or Israel has. If push come to shove, doesn't matter if it were the U.S. or Israel, Irans nuclear facilities would be dust! :thumbsup:

Remember, Sadamm had the best of what Russia had to offer in the Gulf War.

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Not including 30,000 nucleur weapons, obviously. It is possible to bomb iranian nucleur facilities, but then what? They would rebuild, disperse, and likely be way crazier than ever. The alterantive is to set back and hope internal poiltical change occurs. Neither option is all that good. Lack of good options? Sounds a little like NK.

It won't be us but watch out for Israel. There's a reason why they purchased all those bunker buster bombs.

Wow that guy has some issues. Anyone ever reflect on the thoughts that must run through that mans head? Like when he looks at the world does he see what everyone else sees? or is it completely distorted ie: halocaust never happened. Scary thing is..you know that speech he gave...some of those people are going to believe what he said.

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It won't be us but watch out for Israel. There's a reason why they purchased all those bunker buster bombs.

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Howdy Psycho4Bud,

And the platform to deliver them with..the F16I.

I'm not surprised at what the Iranian prez says,but more so that he's saying it publicly..heck,they've pretty much got America's apologists and appeasers snookered,as well as their counter-parts in Europe..his public speeches are counter to the Koranic edict ,that muslims should lie in wait and decieve the infidels,until the moment to slay them-presents it's self.

That China and Russia,will align themselves with Iran and Syria,is exactly what Revelations predicts.

The anti-wars in America and Europe,would be perfectly happy-if Israel was wiped off the map..I wonder why they never take the time though,to look ahead and see what they will be left with,after ?

Have a good one !

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Yay Nick, it never happened! :cool:

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interesting...

I never said the holocaust never happened. I made reference to exaggerations.

If several well-respected scientists can gather up enough courage to try and provide evidence and exhaustive testing, then I'd say it's safe to assume that the numbers of dead were grossly exaggerated.

You can't just show me some picture of some dead jews in a pit, and expect me to believe the popular arguement. You may as well post a picture of some muslims being arrested in order to justify racial profiling of all muslims under the guise of anti-terrorism.

very interesting...

when enough people were slaughtered that you can't really take an accurate number, you know that means millions upon millions.

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I never said the holocaust never happened. I made reference to exaggerations.

If several well-respected scientists can gather up enough courage to try and provide evidence and exhaustive testing, then I'd say it's safe to assume that the numbers of dead were grossly exaggerated.

You can't just show me some picture of some dead jews in a pit, and expect me to believe the popular arguement. You may as well post a picture of some muslims being arrested in order to justify racial profiling of all muslims under the guise of anti-terrorism.

very interesting...

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Just fuckin' amazing! Didn't say it never happened but exaggerated? What if someone was to say the same about slavery Nick...hell, the U.S. was just trying to supply jobs to blacks. You would be in a state of FLAME ON in a major way!! Look beyond your hate and wise up dude!! :thumbsup:

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Just fuckin' amazing! Didn't say it never happened but exaggerated? What if someone was to say the same about slavery Nick...hell, the U.S. was just trying to supply jobs to blacks. You would be in a state of FLAME ON in a major way!! Look beyond your hate and wise up dude!! :thumbsup:

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interesting...

no hate, psycho. I'm just saying that someone using all the facts can't just look at a picture and believe whole-heartedly that there are millions more. It's propaganda in its simplest form.

very interesting...

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interesting...

no hate, psycho. I'm just saying that someone using all the facts can't just look at a picture and believe whole-heartedly that there are millions more. It's propaganda in its simplest form.

very interesting...

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So how's your goose-step comin' along?

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interesting...

no hate, psycho. I'm just saying that someone using all the facts can't just look at a picture and believe whole-heartedly that there are millions more. It's propaganda in its simplest form.

very interesting...

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I'll bet the propaganda back then musta been sum cruel & unusual punishment for the sheepple--I mean the people of the world..

You too! Unreal!!!

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You too! Unreal!!!

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LOL--I never denied it im just sayin the propaganda was very harsh on the people :thumbsup:

You're both right. Now stop fighting and go hug each other.

Yes, the Holocust did happen, it was unbelievably tragic, and should never be forgotten.

And..Yes, it is shamefully used as propoganda to support Isreal and give us a strong ally in the Middle East. Just as George Bush shamefully used 9/11 as propoganda to go into Iraq. Don't beleive it? The Japanese killed millions of Chinese civilians in WWII. Some estimate more Chinese were killed by the Japanese than Jews by the Nazis. They would take females, little girls to elderly, along with them to use as sex slaves. Then kill them after they had their fun. And yet, hardly anyone knows about it. Why? Because it doesn't serve our interests.

WWII propaganda posters---Fengzi said it best "Because it doesnt serve our interests"....and dont forget that Stalin killed millions of his people...

interesting...

i just find it hard to take the word of the very same government that allowed ww2 to happen in the first place.

anybody remember "appeasement"?

that's a great way to put things into perspective. First, they allowed Hitler to build his armies not realising how powerful he would become, and then decades after saddening us with stories about how many people were killed, people are threatened with jail for pointing out that maybe they didnt allow as many people to die after all.

what world do we live in?

very interesting...

not only threatened with jail...there are people IN jail for pointing that out...

whether it's true or not, you shoudn't go to jail for an opinion of history...unless you have the new freedom.

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interesting...

i just find it hard to take the word of the very same government that allowed ww2 to happen in the first place.

anybody remember "appeasement"?

that's a great way to put things into perspective. First, they allowed Hitler to build his armies not realising how powerful he would become, and then decades after saddening us with stories about how many people were killed, people are threatened with jail for pointing out that maybe they didnt allow as many people to die after all.

what world do we live in?

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Which government you talking about Nick? At the beginning of WW2 our military was ranked 17th in the world not to mention we were in a phase of isolationism. The same theory that a lot of you would like us to be living in today! MOST of the American people didn't want shit to do with the European problems of the day. So how did the mean ol' U.S. have so much to do with the rise of Hitler? Oh ya, Bush's grandpa didn't like Jews so lets blame it on G.W.....right? :thumbsup:

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The Japanese killed millions of Chinese civilians in WWII. Some estimate more Chinese were killed by the Japanese than Jews by the Nazis. They would take females, little girls to elderly, along with them to use as sex slaves. Then kill them after they had their fun. And yet, hardly anyone knows about it. Why? Because it doesn't serve our interests.

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The Japanese were as, if not more, ruthless than the Nazi's when it came to the Chinese, Koreans, etc.... Neither offense should be deminished because of "other" wrong doings. What about Cambodia?

Japan has rewritten it's history books so that no mention of the massacres in China are mentioned. Yet we say absolutely nothing. Can you imagine if Germany did the same thing?

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Japan has rewritten it's history books so that no mention of the massacres in China are mentioned. Yet we say absolutely nothing. Can you imagine if Germany did the same thing?

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Every time the Japanese even get close to having any sort of political ties with China they have to take one step back with their ignorant attitude and it's also disgusting that our government says squat! This is a fucked up world for sure!

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it's also disgusting that our government says squat! This is a fucked up world for sure!

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Yep, that's what really pisses me off so much about the way the holocaust is handled. The very fact that our government places so much importance on one and none on the other(not to mention the other atrocities committed around the world) is an insult to both. It's just an admission that the Holocaust is only important because it serves our interest. Nothing more.

Who has the strongest special interest groups? The blacks were persecuted in the U.S. ....what about the Japanese during WW2, what about the Norwegian immigrants, the Irish, Italians...the list goes on and on!

There is a big differance in todays times though, what other group is still listening to talk of total extinction?

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Which government you talking about Nick? At the beginning of WW2 our military was ranked 17th in the world not to mention we were in a phase of isolationism. The same theory that a lot of you would like us to be living in today! MOST of the American people didn't want shit to do with the European problems of the day. So how did the mean ol' U.S. have so much to do with the rise of Hitler? Oh ya, Bush's grandpa didn't like Jews so lets blame it on G.W.....right? :thumbsup:

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interesting...

nope. Britain was Hitler's only major opposition and America wanted very badly to help them out.

Appeasement was the process in which Britain (under american advisement) just sat back and let Hitler do whatever he wanted.

By wanting a war, America is just as much to blame as Britain was for listening to them.


very interesting...

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interesting...

nope. Britain was Hitler's only major opposition and America wanted very badly to help them out.

Appeasement was the process in which Britain (under american advisement) just sat back and let Hitler do whatever he wanted.

By wanting a war, America is just as much to blame as Britain was for listening to them.


very interesting...

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Your knowledge of history always amazes me!! :thumbsup: