:confused: Yes im new and yes i have heard that vaporizers are the best. I was just wondering if you buy a vaporizer because its healthier or because it gets you higher. Can someone answer my newb question please
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:confused: Yes im new and yes i have heard that vaporizers are the best. I was just wondering if you buy a vaporizer because its healthier or because it gets you higher. Can someone answer my newb question please
well to be honest i haven't tried a vapourizer yet. but i have certainly used bongs and i must say if you want a strong hit use a bong ut then again, a vapourizer could be better but i'll let someone else answer that! :)
ive got a volcano vaporizer, it gets you seriously stoned. however, it depends what type of stoned you like getting, a clear headed high for a vape vs a more 'cloudy' headed high from a bong
i love bongs, probably cause i have one. but i say i like bongs more(cause of high)
I think that you do actually get higher, and it's a different kind of high. It's really heady-ish, feels kinda "pure" somewhat, and it fades really well, just leaving you feel nice instead of burnt-out or sleepy.
Personally, I love my bong, but I would still smoke out of a vaporizor occasionally if I had the chance just to change up the pace and my high.
vapes get u higher off of less weed, but its deff more of a head high.
Vapes get you that nxt level high. It's like surreal, you're like what the fuck i'm so high. :rasta: Vaporization is the healthiest way to consume cannabis and also the most effective. Unless you eat it.
ive used both and i think vaporizers are boring. i love bongs especially my homemade piece. If your gonna smoke weed just smoke weed nobody has ever died form cancer because of weed.
i got a vap a few years ago and only used it for a few months. i always thought it wasted weed - needed to use much more to get stoned off your ass. it was a much clearer high, maybe that's why i didnt like it.
alright if anyone every tries to tell you a bong is better than a vaporizer they have no clue what theyre talking about
i have a bong and a volcano. my friends all have nice roors or sick percolated bongs that i rip all the time so i've had my fare share of both of them.
a vape is made to be better than a bong. it gives you about 100% of everything you want and 0% of everything you dont
you get to experience the full taste of your herbs. feels like youre breathing green flavored air.
you're not burning it.. you're heating it to the right temperature to get the one dank thing you really want out of your nugs
no fire=no smoke=clean respiratory system. it was less than a week after i got my volcano that my lungs started to clean themselves out. feels great
it was recommended by my doctor
no smoke also means no smell
you conserve so much more buds havin a vape. you barely need any to get the job done. the high is stronger, feels cleaner, and lasts longer
the residue that builds up is no pain at all to clean out and its only gonna get you more blitzkrieged. its almost like hash
sticks and stones can break my bong but not my vaporizer... its definitely a lot easier to break a bong than a vaporizer
the only thing you can't get out of a vape is a nice big ol bong rip to the face
so if you care about being healthy, tasting your weed, or conserving it go with the vape. if your jonesin for some smoke then i guess the bongs for you but in my opinion...get both. a vaporizer is hands down a better device but a bong is all about the pleasure of smoking.
they die of cancer because of smoke
both higher and healthierQuote:
Originally Posted by drboots13
http://www.maps.org/mmj/volcano_vapo...ember_2008.pdf
there are numerous other studies as well
The best answer to that question is depends who you ask...
A Volcano vapourizer that is set up correctly will give you a real vape experience, it gets you super baked, but it costs quite a bit. The reason the high from it feels different or some might say "not as strong" because when vaping as opposed to burning you leave behind all the plant material, chloryphyl, and all the other vegetative stuff and end up just boiling the oils off the bud into vapour which you inhale. With the bong you get all that jazz in your toke and it gives you the munchies, red eye, and makes you sleepy, some people like weed for only one or three of these reasons, so smoking is for them. I rip bongs and vapes but bongs more predominately for portability, convenience and experience.
personally i think vapes take all the fun out of smoking. Just my opinion! but i will always like bongs more because they can be pieces of art as well as a fuck up tool
sorry to double post but i had to say this, in my opinion, if your at a party, it is a lot more fun and enjoyable for everyone (in my opinion) to pass around a bong and kick it than it is to pass around a vape.
Use a Volcano if you're trying to conserve, or if you have stuff to do, because it's more of a clear-headed high. If you wanna get stupid and sit on the couch, then maybe go for the bong.
Vapes blow hot air through your weed...there is no combustion...you eliminate 80% of the toxins found in MJ smoke.
Yes there are toxins and tars ect. in MJ smoke.... hold a tissue paper up to the bong next time you hit it .....draw your hit through the paper....look at the nice brown stain on your paper :cool:
Vapes allow you to extract over 90% of the thc content of your weed.... bongs 70%
Vapes give you more of a head high.
Only thing better than a vape is injesting weed.... more intense and longer lasting high
Both.Quote:
Originally Posted by drboots13
i like the way you think, that is the only word i had to answer that question. i own both, and stand by both devices. the bong is quick and easy, the vape is a little more thought out, but hell, it gives you both. i have a glass on glass conversion bong the volcano.Quote:
Originally Posted by llama shack
I believe he was saying that the vaporizer is stronger and healthierQuote:
Originally Posted by jimmy8778
i love bongs with a deep passion.
thats just me tho...
You don't need to use a tissue to tell that there's some nasty shit in smoke. I mean, just look at the bongwater.Quote:
Originally Posted by VapedG13
you can still see brown build up with a vape tooQuote:
Originally Posted by 420_24/7
I cant see any kind of anything and i just finished 2 bags with my volcano on 350*F :vap_rasta: and drew it through a piece of TPQuote:
Originally Posted by Revanche21
To me if you vape for a week and dont smoke anything .....then try to smoke a bowl....its like sticking your face in a BBQ and inhale the smoke
The water in the bong is that way from catching the ashes and weed remains ....water doesnt really catch/filter out to many toxinsQuote:
Originally Posted by 420_24/7
Neither does a tissue.Quote:
Originally Posted by VapedG13
But that tisse isnt used to filter ...its used as a measuring device... a visual aid... to see how much bullcrap is still in the smoke after its gone through the waterQuote:
Originally Posted by 420_24/7
Thats why you place the piece of TP over the mouth of the bong and draw your hit/smoke through the TP.... look after one good hit a nice yellow/brown tint
Try the same thing with a pipe or joint draw your hit through TP ....nasty stuff hitting your lungs
I not trying to tell anyone how to get high ....Just trying to show a healthier way to get there:thumbsup:
the water IS the visual aid to see how much bullcrap is in the smoke its the first of defense in filtrationQuote:
Originally Posted by VapedG13
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Originally Posted by Revanche21
water catches all the ashes and spent weed thats why it turns black
water DOES NOT filter or eliminate toxins or tars ... Decent digitally controlled vaporizers do
These toxins are known to be in MJ smokeQuote:
The vaporizer produced THC at a temperature of 185° C. (365° F.) and completely eliminated three measured toxins - benzene, a known carcinogen, plus toluene and naphthalene
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Carbon monoxide and smoke tars were both qualitatively reduced by the vaporizer, but additional testing is needed to quantify the extent of the decrease.
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NORML -MAPS Study Shows Vaporizers Reduce Toxins in Marijuana Smoke
Medical marijuana patients may protect themselves from harmful toxins in marijuana smoke by inhaling their medicine using an electric vaporizer, according to results of a study by California NORML and MAPS (Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies).
The study showed that it is possible to vaporize medically active THC by heating marijuana to a temperature short of the point of combustion, thereby eliminating or substantially reducing harmful smoke toxins that are normally present in marijuana smoke. Vaporizers may therefore substantially reduce what is widely regarded as the leading health hazard of marijuana, namely respiratory harm due to smoking
Heres some more info
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The characteristics of the bong enable the material to be smoked in ways not possible with a simple pipe or spliff. Because the chamber on most bongs can be up to 6 inches (15 cm) in diameter the speed of the air moving through the chamber is reduced and the chamber now acts as a large buffer of smoke. Depending on the length of the bong a considerable amount of smoke can be built up in this way. On the larger bongs, about 4 ft (1.2 m) tall, the operator must stop drawing on the bong when the smoke reaches their lips. At this point the operator must exhale deeply, open the carb, and use the entire contents of their lungs to clear the chamber of the charge of smoke. This high concentration of smoke in the lungs enables the operator to transfer much higher quantities of the chemicals in the smoke into their lungs but also tends to waste large amounts of the smoke. The longer the operator can hold the hit in, the more chemicals he will extract from it, but this becomes more difficult as the smoke gets more dense and the quantity increases. Individuals in the Cannabis culture who can hold in a monster hit are typically held in high regard.
Bubbling the smoke through water also serves to cool down the smoke, which is typically very hot, and to trap some of the heavier and more water-soluble particulate matter, keeping it from entering the smokers lungs. Most smokers believe that bongs are healthier than other smoking devices; however, a 2000 NORML-MAPS study found that waterpipes filter out more psychoactive THC than they do other tars, thereby requiring users to smoke more to reach their desired effect. The analysis used smoke from NIDA-supplied marijuana drawn through a smoking machine adjusted to mimic the puff length of marijuana smokers. The apparatus, comparing smoke from a standard bong, a small portable device with a folding pipestem, a battery-operated model with a motorized paddle to thoroughly mix the smoke in the water, and two different types of vaporizers, found that the unfiltered joint outperformed all devices except the vaporizers, with a ratio of about 1 part cannabinoids to 13 parts tar.
yeah, but if the water collects all the ash and weed bits that fall through, doesnt that mean that when you smoke normally, as in through a pipe or joint, that it still filters out the bad stuff, even to a minimal degree, gotta get the diffusers. and we all know that vaporizers are healthiest when properly used because they dont burn anything so no tars so a tissue test would prove nothing more than what i just said there.
As quoted before
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Bubbling the smoke through water serves to cool down the smoke, which is typically very hot, and to trap some of the heavier and more water-soluble particulate matter, keeping it from entering the smokers lungs.
Most smokers believe that bongs are healthier than other smoking devices; however, a 2000 NORML-MAPS study found that waterpipes filter out more psychoactive THC than they do other tars, thereby requiring users to smoke more to reach their desired effect.
I vaporize using my bong and the sunshine outside. Best of both worlds.
:hippy:
Water DOES capture toxinsQuote:
Originally Posted by VapedG13
Water has an effect of binding to things (Polar Binding)
THC is not water soluble hence filtering through water removes some (but not all) toxins while (most but not 100%) THC is available to smoke
I had a vapolution vaporizer and that was some goooood highs!
water will not remove benzin or all tar from smoke....there has only been 1 study about thisQuote:
Originally Posted by Revanche21
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The study was carried out by the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws (NORML) and Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies (MAPS) in 2000. The experiment entailed duplicating the act of a smoker using a variety of marijuana intake devices, including bongs, joints, pipes, and vaporizers. Using suction to draw smoke from marijuana through these various devices, the resultant smoke was analyzed in order to discern its chemical composition.
The study discovered that bongs actually performed less effectively than the other devices at removing harmful tar components from the marijuana smoke. Oddly enough, unfiltered joints actually fared best in the trials in terms of allowing the lowest amount of harmful tars and other substances from reaching the experiment's hypothetical lungs. However, it should also be noted that MPAS examined another study that was done concerning filtered marijuana smoke and filtered tobacco smoke. It was found that macrophages (white blood cells that engulf foreign bacteria) were less effective when subjected to unfiltered smoke from either substance in the lungs. Thus, although more harmful tars might reach the lungs via filtered marijuana smoke through a bong, the user could possibly be more at risk for a respiratory infection if they smoke unfiltered joints or out of pipes.
This trade-off of pros and cons leads to a rather baffling quandary with respect to the alleged superiority of bongs over other smoking devices. What is clear is that some of the heavier particulates in smoke remain behind in bong water when a bong is used. This is apparent because bong water would not appear brownish and smell bad if nothing was being deposited in it as smoke travels through the water. What is unclear is what exactly is being left behind in the water. Some cannabinols are trapped in the bong without reaching the lungs and are deposited on the surface of the water and the sides of the bong since the chemicals are not water soluble. But along with those cannabinols are clear traces of other, rather nasty looking tar-like chemicals.
Bongs are effective in varying degrees at removing these particulates depending on their structure and size. Generally, the farther the smoke has to travel through the water before it enters the smoker's lungs means that more bad stuff can potentially be removed. Furthermore, if a bong's stem terminates in an attachment that aids in dispersion of the smoke through the water, the filtration process will also benefit. The smaller the bubbles are that pass through the water, the more surface area the smoke is exposed to the water as it travels upward. Thus, millimeter-sized bubbles will serve to filter smoke more than centimeter-sized bubbles.
So, should bongs be considered the healthiest devices for smoking marijuana? Obviously this cannot be fully answered at this point since more research must be completed to either support or refute the claims of the NORML-MAPS study. At present, the effectiveness of bongs to filter out harmful substances must remain largely in the realm of conjecture. But, at least they cool the smoke down.
here are the exact findings of this study
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Joints and Waterpipes
Surprisingly, the unfiltered joint outperformed all devices except the vaporizers, with a ratio of about 1 part cannabinoids to 13 parts tar. This disturbingly poor ratio may be explained by the low potency of the NIDA-supplied marijuana used in the study, which was around 2.3%.
Disappointingly, waterpipes performed uniformly worse than the unfiltered joint. The least bad waterpipe, the bong, produced 30% more tar per cannabinoids than the unfiltered joint. Ironically, the pipe with the electric mixer scored by far the worst of any device. This suggests that water filtration is actually counterproductive, apparently because water tends to absorb THC more readily than noxious tars. Like the waterpipes, the cigarette filter also performed worse than the unfiltered joint, by about 30%. Researchers speculate this is because cannabinoids are exceptionally sticky and adhere to other solids. Hence, any filtration system that picks up particulates is likely also to screen out cannabinoids
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The study results are obviously discomforting to waterpipe enthusiasts, many of whom prefer the cooler, milder smoke they produce, and have naturally assumed it is also more healthful. Unfortunately, however, the study indicates that waterpipes may actually be counterproductive in increasing consumption of carcinogenic tars.
Nonetheless, it is still premature to judge that waterpipes are actually unhealthful, since they may filter out other, non-solid smoke toxins occurring in the gas phase of the smoke, which was not analyzed in the study. Noxious gases known to occur in marijuana smoke include hydrogen cyanide, which incapacitates the lung's defensive cilia; volatile phenols, which contribute to the harshness of the taste; aldehydes, which promote cancer; and carbon monoxide, a known risk factor in heart disease. Previous studies indicate that water filtration may be quite effective in absorbing some of these [Nicholas Cozzi, Effects of Water Filtration on Marijuana Smoke: A Literature Review, MAPS Newsletter, Vol. IV #2, 1993]. If so, waterpipes might still turn out to have net health benefits.
MAPS and California NORML are planning to undertake a second phase of the waterpipe study for the purpose of analyzing the gaseous phase of marijuana smoke.
In the meantime, the easiest way for most smokers to avoid harmful smoke toxins may be simply to smoke stronger marijuana. This strategy is apt to be more effective than any smoke filtration device. By simply replacing the low, 2.3% potency NIDA marijuana used in this study with high-quality 12%-sinsemilla, smokers could presumably reduce their tar intake by a factor of five while still achieving the same effect. Further improvements could be had by using pure THC or hash oil, which has been tested at potencies of 60%.
The notion that high-potency marijuana is less harmful directly contradicts official government propaganda, which maintains that marijuana has become more dangerous since the '60s due to increased potency. This claim appears to rest less on scientific evidence than on the desire to frighten the public. A careful analysis of government data by Dr. John Morgan has shown that the supposed increase in potency has been greatly exaggerated [American Marijuana Potency: Data Versus Conventional Wisdom, NORML Reports (1994)]. In any case, however, there is no good reason to presume that higher potency marijuana is more harmful, given the potential respiratory benefits of reduced smoke consumption. The hazards of excessive potency are purported to be an increased risk of acute overdose and greater susceptibility to dependency. However, both problems can be avoided if users adjust their dosage to potency. For most users, such hazards may well be outweighed by the benefits of reduced smoke consumption.
Research in Australia
The Australian government is currently conducting another study that may cast further light on the effects of potency variations. The study is designed to determine baseline THC, tar, and carbon monoxide levels from marijuana and marijuana-tobacco mixtures smoked through joints and waterpipes. The samples being tested come from police seizures in six different Australian states. Researchers say that they have observed "incredible" variations in tar and THC potency among different samples. Their report is expected shortly.
THC Transfer Rate
The MAPS-NORML study provides new information on the efficiency of different devices in delivering THC from marijuana to the user. Previous studies have shown that 60% - 80% of the THC burned in joints or waterpipes is lost in slipstream smoke, adhesion to the pipestem and bowl, pyrolysis, etc. [Mario Perez-Reyes, Marijuana Smoking: Factors that Influence the Bioavailability of Tetrahydrocannabinol, in C. Nora Chiang and Richard Hawks, ed., Research Findings on Smoking of Abused Substances, NIDA Research Monograph 99, 1990]. The percentage of total THC delivered to the user is called the THC transfer rate. The unfiltered joint scored surprisingly well in smoking efficiency, coming in second place with a transfer rate close to 20%. The portable waterpipe did slightly better, and the bong slightly worse. The other devices did notably worse. The vaporizers and electric waterpipe did especially poorly, with transfer rates less than one-third that of the top three devices. Thus, heavy smokers could literally be blowing most of their stash away with bad pipes.
Note:
Contrary to the initial version of this article, which erroneously stated that THC vaporizes at 155º C, the Merck Manual lists the vaporization point of THC as 200º in vacuum. The vaporization point at normal atmospheric pressure appears to be unknown, but is thought to be in the range 250-400º.
i gotta say i like using both. My personal preference is using an ice bong but i wont protest using a vap
i like to take the hose from the vapo and hook it to the bong
Well you could always get the best of both worlds and use your bong as a vape
VRIPTECH has the $50 VCB (Vaporization Chamber Bowl) for bongs....add a heat gun or their heat wand and your set
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smoke blunts errrrday