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oh fuck i thuoght too hard, i suddenly realised i am a collection of neurons processing input and output signals
i have acheived enlightenment
crap
now i feel like a ball of white matter
and grey matter
my mind is simply hormones, seratonin and dopamine and endorphine
i dont exist
i'm just a machine
Realisations are great. Us humans are just another animal on this planet
Last week I got this visual realisation (after acid :) ) where it was if Id never seen a human before. I must say we (humans) look very unnatural.
damn ive never thought about that thanks alot im sure i will manage to spin myself out for a night thinking about it sometime soonQuote:
Originally Posted by moeburn
The closest I've gotten to enlignment was when I was really fucking high and looked as myself in the mirror and realized I looked like an idiot. Now I dress in totally different clothes. And my whole style has changed.
We are more then just nerves. We are, us. I am, and always will be, me. Nerves may be what allows me to feel and see and tase and hear, but it do not give me my feeling of love and joy. I could live a happy, loving life without my sight and voice. If I had no sences, life would be harder but I could live and I would live. Our basic form is made of many things, and to a sence we are a machine. But we are special. We have the mind and a soul. It is true we are animals and they have minds and souls too but our is the most advanced, or so we think anyways. We are so much more then our phyiscal form. Our forum it just what we use to help us understand what is around us. When we are done with it (death) we go back to our pure form and take what we learn with us.
same thing happened to me. i was just staring at myself going you fucking idiot. why did u spend 70 bucks for those jeans at abercrombie? u dont need that shit. just be yourself. since then ive been a lot more social and dont put as much emphasis on appearences as i used to. THANKS CANNABIS!Quote:
Originally Posted by Gecko
Is that really a bad thing?Quote:
Originally Posted by moeburn
I look forward to the day when I can replace some of these shitty organic components with artificial ones that have a bit more longevity. All they would really need to save is the brain. Maybe they can install a button that makes me feel stoned or high whenever I want?
i realised this on an overdose of SSRI's, combined with nutmeg and cannabis. this is so fucking fun, its like a cheap version of e and lsd.
^^^what????can you please explaine to me more clearly what you were on
You have no control over the way you think either. All experiences leading up to this exact moment in your life, including subconcious realizations (stuff you never even thought about, but your mind still knows about) will dictate everything you do. It's rather scary.
exist harder.
The idea that you are a machine is both ignorant and repressive. Deep within the human experience is this "I" character that we assosiate ourselves with. Ignoring the "I" would put us on the level of animals, but it's not natural to ignore it as it's put into humanity and humanity alone. I concider my body a machine in all regards, but that doesn't mean that the "I" that I know as myself is a machine, as everything I experience and love and hate tells me otherwiseQuote:
Originally Posted by moeburn
One time i was battered and my friend said to me 'what if what we see around us including people, experiences, and objects etc, is just in our own heads and everyone has something different'. That spun me out and had me contemplating for hours.
i love youQuote:
Originally Posted by Pyramidsonmars
i love you
i love you
the existence of man and his understanding of himself comes from statments like the one above. Giving oneself an identity by seperating ourselves from the whole. THIS is often called the ego.
STILLNESS... STILLNESS... STILLNESSS...
SIT STILL.. WATCH the mind.. realize you are not our thoughts..
CAN you even stay still for 5 minutes? 10 minutes? you will be very very happy that you did..
i love you
have you ever thought like what if what i see as red, you see as green, but just call it red too? ive always found stuff like that interesting.
dude i used to think about that EXACT stuff. it really makes you wonder, because if that is true, theres no way to prove it or disprove it :-/Quote:
Originally Posted by Chucky76
don't mess with the comfort zone you'll screw up everybodies dream world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garden Knowm
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Originally Posted by d00d989
i take philosophy at my school, and its all about shit like that.
How can you prove anything? Can you trust anything your senses tell you. After all, theyve lied to you before (dreams, hallucinations) how do you know theyre not lying to you right now?
who knows
the reality is, why do we need to prove anything? why are we so addicted to this drug we call 'proof' and 'existance'? does marijuana bring us to a higher level of consciousness, or a lower one that is more desireable?
i think it really did bring me to a higher consciousness. i know humans are one of the few species that have a conscience, and thats what seperates us from the animals. but we're only toying with this conscience in day to day life.
we only experience it sometimes, when we look in the mirror and consider ourselves, when we study for a test because we consider our future, when we eat even if we're not feeling hungry because we know we have to eat, that is our conscience.
to become aware of the fact that you are nothing more than an animal is to be permanantly lifted into this state of consciousness that i just described.
awareness.
That is not true. Well it could be but it is unknown and alwyas will be. Will can not tell if other animals have a conscience, but because we can not understand them and read their thoughts, we say they don't. Also, what makes us different from the other animals is the fact that we have printed text and we can create advanced things other animals can't. Besides we are still animals and from what I see we are the same as them, we just have more ways of doing things, like killing and havesting food.Quote:
i know humans are one of the few species that have a conscience, and thats what seperates us from the animals.
It was Socrates who came up with the whole "Question everything theory" because nothing really has an answer because there are always different perpectives and ways of disproving an answer.Quote:
take philosophy at my school, and its all about shit like that.
How can you prove anything? Can you trust anything your senses tell you. After all, theyve lied to you before (dreams, hallucinations) how do you know theyre not lying to you right now?
who knows
are humans the only species aware of their own mortality?
I wouldn't be able to answer that with facts, because it is impossible to read the mind of an animal. We don't know what they feel, if they feel.
Humans are animals, sure... why not? We are just advanced. Why is it just because we can write our history that we are considered something more? We developed from animals so...
The only thing that separates man from ape is an opposable thumb, meaning you can touch all your fingertips with your thumb...but i think the Orangatan has an opposable thumb on its feet. :rasta:Quote:
Originally Posted by CocaCola
The idea that humans ivolved from animals is completely unprovable. And is completely flawed science.
Flawed Science...then BS me with religion. :rasta:Quote:
Originally Posted by Faultydesign
i think Darwin and these things we keep diggin up called fossils might suggest otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Faultydesign
LOL.
I think what Faulty was getting at is that we don't know what ANIMALS evolved from and that it is completely unprovable... or know what the PLANET and that it's completely unprovable. Because we know very well what humans evolved from... And I thik we're getting kind of close to figuring out animals soon anyways.
the real question is : Is consciousness a product of brain activity and neuropathological pathways or is it something else?
Do you even know what brain activity and neurological pathways are, the same actions that go on naturally all around you anyway, senses are caused by the chemical breakdown of certain chemicals (i.e. photopsin, for the eye) that produces a release of electric energy, which opens a special type of gate on the membranes of cells, such as the soma, this causes an influx of sodium ions, this disrupts equilibrium, and causes an action potential, all the while the protein that controls this mechanism is sensitive, dependent on the existing charges of the inside of the cell, when a time has passed (usually milliseconds) proteins close somewhere on the cell, and other types allowing other charged chems come inelectromagnetic field lines traversing a wire (axon), that produce a change in voltage at a synapse, which triggers the release of a chemical (from the mechanism explained above) to be moved across the neuron due to the effect of the action potential, charges doin what they do moving according to what they are mysteriously attracted to by nature. Then the breakdown of this chem at the postsynaptic neuron (the receivin end) starts the entire cycle again, there are millions upon billions of these connecting points, and dependin on which axons are stimulated will decide which path to which part of the brain it will take. This is the same for all animals, humans see in the colour that they do because of the trichromatic mechanism of the brain, but this in turn is due to the chemicals present in the sense cells that line the retina of the eye. Colour blind ppl are missing some of these chems, so some are dichromatic (all wavelengths of light are matched up by 2 primary colours, instead of three like trichromatics) but there are certain types of butterflies which are pentachromatic. Does this sound like a cold answer for you, this sounds like an amazing orchestra of movements to me that even with lil understanding you can understand the simple mechanism behind the complexity, what are ppl lookin for when they try and explain there own consciousness? What do you want the something else to be supernatural? the way the body works is all because of existin laws of nature, and only because it was built in this certain way was why we experience the way we do. How much more supernatural you wanna get?
are mind is just chemical reactions
when your happy -its seretonin being released
when your high- its drugs acting on exsiting chemicals in your brain
Are we more then just intuition? Maybe...maybe the body is just the physical form..who knows i cant say for sure.
Back to the animal thing tho. Apes have 95% our DNA. The other 5% that we dont share with them makes us so incredibly different and advanced. The difference in DNA between humans is like 0.0089%, which is enough to change skin colour, hair, eyes, etc. So 5% would diffinately make a big change.
later
Darwin said in the origin of species that there would be trasnitionary fossils in every layer of sedimintation...and ohh..none of those.
He also said that to believe that the human eye evolved is ubsurd to the utmost degree...so how'd it get here?