The Holy Spirit? Sounds a lot like The Green Spirit to me...

There seems to be relationship between everything, here...

In mainstream Christianity, the Holy Spirit is one person of the Trinity, co-equal with the Father and the Son (Jesus).

Christians believe it is the Holy Spirit who leads people to faith in Jesus and the one who gives them the ability to lead a Christian life. The Spirit dwells inside every true Christian, each one's body being His temple (First Epistle to the Corinthians 3:16). He is depicted as a 'Counsellor' or 'Helper' (paraclete in Greek), guiding them in the way of the truth. The Spirit's action in one's life is believed to produce positive results, known as the Fruits of the Spirit. The Spirit is also believed to give gifts (i.e. abilities) to Christians. These include the charismatic gifts such as prophecy, tongues, healing, and knowledge. (Some Christians, whose view is known as cessationism, believe these gifts were given only in New Testament times.) Christians agree almost universally that certain more mundane "spiritual gifts" are still in effect today, including the gifts of ministry, teaching, giving, leadership, and mercy (see, e.g. Romans 12:6-8). In some sects of Christianity, the experience of the Holy Spirit is referred to as being anointed. In the African American Gospel music tradition, the experience of the Holy Spirit is referred to as 'getting happy'.

You're very true in a lot of things you said, despite your probably sarcastic intention. I believe that God gives gifts to everyone. I don't just believe this because, but rather I've seen it. I myself, even before I was a christian, have always been blessed in my life. I've been given the ability to have passion and to get good at that passion. First it was hockey, now it's drumming...and since becoming a christian I've had an inclination towards public speaking, and christian apologetics (I used to be quite shy, but God has made strength out of my weaknesses). That is what's meant by gifts. God gives everyone on this earth gifts in order that they use those gifts to serve him. Some choose to only serve themselves with those gifts though.

The holy ghost is what God fills you with when you have a relationship with him. Why do you think it is that churches are so involved in charity? It's enjoyable to christians to do what is usually a "drag" or "bore" to non-christians. The holy ghost (or spirit) is the little part of God that lives in those with a direct relationship to him

I wasn't being sarchastic. I was trying to tie life together with life. It's a fact that we all live with beliefs, but why can't everyone believe that God is the one who created Marijuana, and, since He did (and He created the Universe for Us), then His intentions were for us to live with it?

If God is non-existent, than why is there no other natural being try to subliminally harm the human race?

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Originally Posted by beachguy in thongs

There seems to be relationship between everything, here...

In mainstream Christianity, Pot is one person of the Trinity, co-equal with the Father and the Son (Jesus).

Christians believe it is Pot that leads people to faith in Jesus and the one who gives them the ability to lead a Christian life. Pot dwells inside every true Christian, each one's body being His temple (First Epistle to the Corinthians 3:16). He is depicted as a 'Counsellor' or 'Helper' (paraclete in Greek), guiding them in the way of the truth. Pot's action in one's life is believed to produce positive results, known as the Fruits of the Spirit. Pot is also believed to give gifts (i.e. abilities) to Christians. These include the charismatic gifts such as prophecy, tongues, healing, and knowledge. (Some Christians, whose view is known as cessationism, believe these gifts were given only in New Testament times.) Christians agree almost universally that certain more mundane "spiritual gifts" are still in effect today, including the gifts of ministry, teaching, giving, leadership, and mercy (see, e.g. Romans 12:6-8). In some sects of Christianity, the experience of Pot is referred to as being anointed. In the African American Gospel music tradition, the experience of POT is referred to as 'getting happy'.

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What I wanted to do, was replace Pot in there.

Of course, meaning the Holy Spirit gives us the Pot.

"father" = subconsciousness
"Son" = physical consciousness
"holy spirit" = superconsciousness.


supposedly the creater of the veil which seperates the three conscious minds is losing controll over said veil, and reintegration of the father, son, and holy spirit will occour over time, as the veil falls.

I actually had to sit down the other day and ask myself if smoking pot was really a good thing...afterall God did create it. However, we 'smoke' pot, and I wonder if we would've ever decided to smoke anything if we hadn't fallen... and then I thought about it..."wait a sec, we EAT pot." ahh...however, what about mushrooms and stuff like that? I believe mushrooms are spiritually risky (based on my own experience with them) but in a world were God was with us, I wonder what mushrooms would be used for...it's this reason that I wonder if there are "drugs" (per se) in heaven...

I know it's our use of drugs that makes them bad. For example, I find that smoking little bits of weed puts me in a perfect state. I can read the bible, feel mental connections better, and my thoughts some times (though from a different and much more obscure light) can make more sense...or "different" sense...it's only when I go ape shit and smoke 1-3 joints to myself that my thoughts take a dive into the "laugh at my shoes till I puke" level.

pyramid I know how you feel and...
I took a threshhold dose of 1 gram of shrooms not too long ago and it was great. nothing like taking a full 8th or quarter and I could smoke a bowl also. I felt like I was sucking in psychic energy from everything. I was in a great mood and in controll the whole time.

you seem condecending on your own high...

i think you lack a certian amount of udnerstanding the "laugh at my shoes untill i puke" level of high.


it's a more broad mindedness which you may or may not be mentally ready for.


but im probably wrong about this lol

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Originally Posted by Stoner Shadow Wolf

"father" = subconsciousness
"Son" = physical consciousness
"holy spirit" = superconsciousness.


supposedly the creater of the veil which seperates the three conscious minds is losing controll over said veil, and reintegration of the father, son, and holy spirit will occour over time, as the veil falls.

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I believe that the father, son, and holy spirit are three faces to the shape that is God. If God were truley God, than he isn't limited, like we are, to being a "single thing". God is the creator, but Jesus says "even before the creation there I am". "I am" is something only God uses for identification. Jesus is also called the second Adam. This makes sense if we were origionally created as children of God (not physically but spiritually). Since the bible also says that we fell away from God, we have to assume that when God sent his only son, he had to create a human being with a little bit of 'him' in him...you might even say "all" of him. In otherwords, God has created man, man has fallen, so God has come back to get us...Jesus is the "son of man" in the physical sense that he was brought into the creation and "born" as a decendent of the same blood that we all have (Adam and Eve's), and yet he is the "son of God" because spiritually he consisted of only Godliness. If God is "all that isn't bad", and Jesus was without any bad, than one is left to believe that all that was in Jesus was God.
My understanding of the holy spirit is a little less developed, but I believe that it's that "holy spirit" means that bit of God's spirit that he sometimes puts in people. God's "holiness in spirit form" is, in the bible, used to give people love, strength, faith, knowledge, wisdom, and anything else "Godly", moreso than it is an actual seperate identity.

now of course we have all these people in a room squabbling over the different little reasons they shouldn't believe in it, but it's so theologically complex (and yet the concept is so simply perfect) that I just have to believe it to be more than just filling the gap of the unknown with whatever "seems to fit."

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Originally Posted by Stoner Shadow Wolf

you seem condecending on your own high...

i think you lack a certian amount of udnerstanding the "laugh at my shoes untill i puke" level of high.


it's a more broad mindedness which you may or may not be mentally ready for.


but im probably wrong about this lol

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haha, who knows, maybe there's something in that mess of thought that I'm missing. I just don't believe that something like pot will bring me any kind of knowledge...I do however believe that it twists my mind in a way that causes my mind to think in a different frequency about things...which is a good thing if it's to the point that my logic and mind are still stable...but in the case of pot, I believe there's 'that spot', and than anything beyond that is OVER consumption, much like eating.

Don't get me wrong, I don't actually "laugh at my shoes till i puke"...the differenec:

One bowl (quite stoned) - I'll usually listen to music, clean up my room, talk to friends, finish work.

3 bowls (quite ST0N3D!!) - I just sit down and play starwars battlefront 2

Again, this is just my level of tolerance

yeah the tolerance level doesnt mean much, it's all in your mind. the thing you need to look at here is not the difference between 1 and 3 bowls, but the difference between sober star wars and stoned star wars ;)

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Originally Posted by Stoner Shadow Wolf

yeah the tolerance level doesnt mean much, it's all in your mind. the thing you need to look at here is not the difference between 1 and 3 bowls, but the difference between sober star wars and stoned star wars ;)

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There was exceptional brilliance in this post. Stoned starwars to me, is less "starwars" more just "cool shit". When I'm sober I'm a little more aware that it's an environment of "starwars"...the story, setting, plot is a little clearer. When I'm high it's usually just "space stuff" to me... this is the eternal question. Is starwars a feesable thing? Or is the reality of it that it's just "space stuff" ;) hahaha

your understanding of relity is limited if you must ask this question.


the truth is nothing, and as such, this permits anything to become reality. all it takes is some mental energy, and anything can be materialized.

in the case of 'space stuff', it can be made real, yes, but i doubt there is anything worthwhile in doing such, and would likely cause more problems than anything else. ultimately, it doesnt seem logical or feasable, but it's certianly not impossible.

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Originally Posted by Stoner Shadow Wolf

your understanding of relity is limited if you must ask this question.


the truth is nothing, and as such, this permits anything to become reality. all it takes is some mental energy, and anything can be materialized.

in the case of 'space stuff', it can be made real, yes, but i doubt there is anything worthwhile in doing such, and would likely cause more problems than anything else. ultimately, it doesnt seem logical or feasable, but it's certianly not impossible.

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The question for me is: why do you believe that truth is nothing? Logically I've found that truth is reality, and anything outside of that reality is bent truth. This concept of "bent" that I'm referring too was something somewhat influenced by CS Lewis's writting in Perelandra (a book I recommend you read) where he refers to these angelic creatures that became "bent". But in his christian apologetic work "Mere Christianity" (I believe) he refers to "evil" as such:

What I'm talking about is the idea that Good is truth, and Bad (a concept that really has no reason to exist) is a version of that truth that has becoem bent and no longer function in the "direction" of good. It's either bad or neutral (there is a quote from the bible along the lines of "you're either with us or against us". I don't remember the verse)...corrupted I guess is the word, so that it no longer serves good. By not serving the good, it would defult as anything not good, and what we know as "bad" is simply the "not good" in things...the absence of good-the absence of God. Therefore the bible logically holds itself strong when it clearly states that all good comes from God, while bad can exist, it is only the absense of bad...

The bible says humanity is unique to anything else (angels, etc) because WE'RE the ones who are "made in God's image". We are however a fallen creation...We are a species (the only species on OUR planet) capable of intentional evil.. We have the "choice" that animals don't have, to do bad, and therefore when we "come back to God", who is represented by the "father" in luke 15:11, he comes to meet us with absolute love because we have come back to him. We were lost and have come back. That is where evil becomes ultamite good (which is "the destruction of it's "evil" properties, therefore when God is saying he will destroy all evil, it could be logical to believe that all that evil will fullfill it's purpose becoming good)

okay yeah... that pretty much sounds like it...


the truth/nothing is what says impossible is the only impossibility, that it is created with negative thinking...


"cant", doubt, and fear are negative ways of thinking, and contribute to the illusion of "impossible".


so yeah, maybe when negative thinking has evil eliminated from it, it wont be able to hold us down any longer, to, say, heal the sick, or walk on water...