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What the hell! people are dying left & right over there.. Suicide bombers killing there own people, our soldiers not helping a bit,just making it wrose. Man, it doesnt matter if we leave now its already an disaster. Its a shame that we cant fix its, no turning back now U.S. everybody watching now! Im sorry its just not working out in Iraq .
Where are the bombings taking place? In the Sunni dominated areas. Areas to the north, Kurdish areas, are doing fine. Progress is happening there and to the south with the Shi-ites!
How much do you hear about Najaf these days? It's because there is progress being made and the press doesn't report on boring shit like that. Quagmire????? Thats a Kerry term!
Im sorry, im not a kerry fan, him & his cousin gw can go play skullnbones inside their coffins for all i care ... It just seems like everyday new bombings occur 50 or more die a day. In the last throes I see
Zarqawi stated that he declared war on the Shi-ites...the only problem now is that he's killing off Sunni's as well. They'll all get sick of his shit in due time! :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by eg420ne
Well the chaos in Iraq is threating not only Iraq, but the entire region. You have Turkey, the kurdish in Iraq, Iran, and israel, they will take advantage of this one day. Im seeing an all out war soon if shit dont get better in Iraq, we cant keep on taking more live for these people we've already lost 2090 soldiers & counting. The whole place has to be secure, not just one or two towns. Israel needs that oil pipeline soon and fast man, we cant let God Chosen people be without a pipeline.
Is this what this whole rant is about.....a pipeline to Israel? I keep pretty good track on the economic situation over there and don't recall any such plans. The closest thing to that is the line going through Syria to Lebanon.
Yes next we have 2 take out Syria There is a plan to put pipelines in from Iraq to Israel, but u wont find that plan in any newspapers
Maybe u should of put stock in oil pipeline for israel.
An old israel-Iraq oil line reopening
www.csmonitor.com/2003/0423/p11s01-coop.html
The israeli oil pipeline plan
www.atimes.com/atimes/middle_east/ed04ak01.html
Israel seeks pipeline for Iraqi oil
http://www.guardian.co.uk/iraq/story...940250,00.html
U.S. checking possibility of pumping oil from northern Iraq to haifa, via jordan
www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0825-03.htm
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/20.../index_np.html
Iraq-to-haifa oil pipeline could spur economic rebirth
www.jewishsf.com/bk030418/i22b.shtml
Israels pipedream
www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?id=3812
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Originally Posted by eg420ne
interesting...
you dont seem to realise that israel has nothing to do with the destabilisation of the middle east. suicide bombers only do what they do for kicks, nothing else.
perhaps you should re-adjust your tinfoil hat. tholiak and psycho were right all along.
very interesting...
I new something was wrong
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Originally Posted by eg420ne
interesting...
might i offer you a recruitment brochure as well? You're hispanic are you not?
you're lucky. you guys get to be in the front lines where all the action is.
very interesting...
lol, i have an uncle right now whos in the front line of iraq, Im sure he has fun finding them roadside bombs, u know the ones that our soldiers get blown apart, when ever they find dem bombs hiding under dead dogs. i wouldnt go for all the oil n the world
there wasn't much desert in vietnam, that is the only big difference, that and the fact they showed pictures from vietnam, pretty sure that is what cause the yanks to pull out, mamas seeing their baby's blown apart is not conducive to getting money from them. there have been wars in the middle east since the time of Saladin and the crusaders, lots of money in war, the u.s just wants their rightful due.
Actually, it's a Cheney term. As for any oil pipeline to Israel/Lebanon/wherever, perhaps they should try to get the one to Basra to function more than a couple days without getting blown up before attempting to build new ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
Good point and I'm sure thats why its not proceeding along. It's not the Shi-ites doing the bombings on the oil infrustructure; if you recall, our good friend Zarqawi called for these bombings months past. It'll come to an end....his popularity is gone in his own country. It'll happen!! :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by andruejaysin
All the more reason any oil should be piped south, the route west would run through sunni areas, and would cost a shitload of money, likely from US taxpayers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
FROM THE PEOPLE who brought you Saddam Hussein's mushroom cloud and the secret Iraqi-Al Qaeda alliance comes a new specter to trouble our sleep: jihadist Iraq.
In a speech this week at the American Enterprise Institute, Vice President Dick Cheney used this nightmare vision to lash those, such as Rep. John P. Murtha (D-Pa.), who have argued that it is time to begin withdrawing U.S. forces. "Iraq is part of a larger plan of imposing Islamic radicalism across the broader Middle East, making Iraq a terrorist haven and a staging ground for attacks against other nations," Cheney said. "In light of the commitments our country has made, and given the stated intentions of the enemy, those who advocate a sudden withdrawal from Iraq should answer a few simple questions: Would the United States and other free nations be better off or worse off with [Abu Musab] Zarqawi, [Osama] bin Laden and [Ayman] Zawahiri in control of Iraq? Would we be safer or less safe with Iraq ruled by men intent on the destruction of our country?"
The suggestion that a jihadist takeover in Iraq would follow a U.S. withdrawal verges on preposterous. It is the latest in a parade of straw men dispatched to scare up support for wrongheaded and failed policies.
There is no question that the jihadists would like to seize a country as a base for wider operations. But they have nowhere near the capacity to achieve this in Iraq. Zarqawi's Al Qaeda in Iraq and other radical Islamist groups have bloodied U.S. forces, the fledgling Iraqi government and the Shiite population. The jihadist organizations lack the heavy weapons and the manpower that would be required to seize control of Baghdad, to capture and hold large tracts of territory that are occupied by hostile Shiites and Kurds who outnumber Sunnis four to one, or to run the country.
The insurgents might remain a formidable force by evading those who tried to hunt them down â?? as they have done with U.S. and Iraqi forces â?? but they could not conceivably prevail in the full-scale battles that the takeover of Iraq would entail. Only with the rapid influx of tens of thousands of fighters from outside Iraq could jihadists win control of the country. That scenario is farfetched.
Make no mistake: Much of western Iraq is and will remain a terrorist sanctuary. But neither U.S. forces nor Shiite-dominated Iraqi military units will be able to do much about that against an enemy that has excellent early warning and the capacity to slip away. It will be years before an Iraqi intelligence service can root these networks out.
The real threat is civil war. But here too it is not clear how much the U.S. can do to prevent it. If the Shiites and Kurds do not ameliorate the grievances of Iraqi Sunnis, civil war is probable. Keeping U.S. forces in Iraq in such circumstances would at best delay the inevitable.
There is a rich irony to the administration's argument about a jihadist Iraq. In the run-up to the war, the Bush team repeatedly underestimated the danger radical Islamists posed to U.S. plans for Iraq. The Pentagon, for example, knew well before the invasion of Iraq that Zarqawi was in the country, traveling far and wide to prepare for the insurgency he planned to mount once the United States invaded.
Moreover, the administration had ample intelligence that the toxin ricin was being produced at Zarqawi's base camp in the Kurdish enclave in northern Iraq â?? outside the reach of Hussein's government. The military drew up plans for an attack. But the administration declined to strike for reasons that remain unclear. Later, it portrayed Zarqawi as the key link between Hussein and Al Qaeda. We now know that was false.
Now the administration holds up Zarqawi as the ultimate threat. Opponents of near-term withdrawal of U.S. forces say there will be a surge in attacks against American troops as they begin to depart. To be sure, the insurgents will want to make it seem that we were driven out. But the level of attacks in many categories â?? especially suicide bombings â?? has grown enormously without any drawdown.
By blundering in Iraq, the Bush administration has played right into two jihadist claims: First, that we are determined to occupy Muslim countries, steal their wealth and destroy their faith; and second, that we are a paper tiger that cannot accept casualties. By staying in Iraq, we confirm the former for many Muslims around the world and stoke recruitment and radicalization. By leaving, we confirm the latter, thereby encouraging jihadists.
Our departure from Iraq needs to be orderly and serve our own interests. How long it takes should be, unlike our occupation of the country, carefully planned. It should not be postponed by the threat of some imagined cataclysm.....
When I visited the base...they ALL said they wanted out....I have yet to find one soldier that does not think this war is completely fucked up...that they are being lead by inept men who have never worn "the boots" and don't know the first thing about WAR....
Every other day I get a phone call and a report...yesterday it was 8 men burned beyond recognition. It was so bad that a navy doctor fainted at the sight of one of the injured...(the army will nevet let him live that down)
The burned are on machines waiting for their parents to decide to pull the plug or let them live forever on machines...their lungs are burned..
Today 43 injured...mostly by IEDs...these are critically injured. One a 20 year old girl..both legs blown off and her faced and arms peppered with shrapnel..
You never hear about these kids on CNN
They want to come home....I don't give a shit about Iraq. I care about these kids and they need to come home. Those that love Iraq so much....want to spread so called democracy go fight the fucking war yourselves...Let the kids come home..
Howdy Blue Cat,
You plea: "They want to come home....I don't give a sh*t about Iraq. I care about these kids and they need to come home. Those that love Iraq so much....want to spread so called democracy go fight the f*cking war yourselves...Let the kids come home.."
So..you are content to let others live under brutal oppression-especially if doing so-costs us anything to change such ?
I never said that I 'love' Iraq,but I do 'love' the idea of liberating folks from brutal oppression and spreading democracy..why do you seem to 'love' the idea of abandoning our allies and allowing brutal oppression to grow and fester ?
I think that the only 'enemy' that you see..is your own country,and that America's enemies and therefore,the Free World's enemies,can commit any brutal act that they desire-because we dared to liberate anyone from oppression. Even if you got your wish,and America was destroyed,I think that you'd choose to rebuild Her as a socialist country..with limited speech,entitlements for all and liberty only for the politically-correct.
As a traditional American,one who believes in freedom for all,I believe that it is the duty of free people everywhere,to end oppression..for if we fail to act against Evil..we become Evil ourselves.
Hav a good one ...
If you say spreading democracy, shouldnt we'd went in to Sudan or NK, SA, or the other countless of oppressive regimes... NOO! we'd had to go in Iraq first, hmmm wonder if the Operation Iraqi Liberation had anything to do with that.