Bush cant handle the truth

In one of the most intellectually incoherent major speeches ever delivered by a minor president, George W. Bush last week blamed some democrats and anti-war critics for changing their minds about the war in Iraq and now saying they were deceived. It is deeply irresponsible to rewrite history of how that war began, the president said. Yes, sir, but it is even more deeply irresponsible to rewrite history of how history was rewritten in the first place.

We can endlessly debate the facts. More important, though, is the mind-set of those in the administration from the president on down, who had these facts- or, as we shall see, none at all- and mangled them in the cause of the war.

For example, the insistence that Saddam was somehow linked to 9/11 tells you that to bush and his people, the facts did not matter. It did not matter that Mohamed Atta never met with Iraqis in Prague. It did not matter that Mohamed ElBaradei, head of the international Atomic Energy Agency, was finding no evidence of an Iraqi nuclear weapons programs. None of that mattered to Vice-President Cheney, a fibber without peer in the realm, who warn of a reconstituted nuclear weapons program, promoted the non existent Prague meeting and went after legitimate critics. "We will not hesitate to discredit you." Cheney told ElBaradei and Hans Blix.

At the moment, no one can have confidence in the Bush Administration. Almost three years into the war, the world is not safer, the middle east is less stable and the Americans and others die for a mission that is not what it once was called: A fight for democracy. It would be nice, as well as important, to know how we got into this mess. It wasnt that he had the wrong facts. It was that the right ones didnt matter.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/col/...p-311821c.html

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Originally Posted by eg420ne

In one of the most intellectually incoherent major speeches ever delivered by a minor president, George W. Bush last week blamed some democrats and anti-war critics for changing their minds about the war in Iraq and now saying they were deceived. It is deeply irresponsible to rewrite history of how that war began, the president said. Yes, sir, but it is even more deeply irresponsible to rewrite history of how history was rewritten in the first place.

We can endlessly debate the facts. More important, though, is the mind-set of those in the administration from the president on down, who had these facts- or, as we shall see, none at all- and mangled them in the cause of the war.

For example, the insistence that Saddam was somehow linked to 9/11 tells you that to bush and his people, the facts did not matter. It did not matter that Mohamed Atta never met with Iraqis in Prague. It did not matter that Mohamed ElBaradei, head of the international Atomic Energy Agency, was finding no evidence of an Iraqi nuclear weapons programs. None of that mattered to Vice-President Cheney, a fibber without peer in the realm, who warn of a reconstituted nuclear weapons program, promoted the non existent Prague meeting and went after legitimate critics. "We will not hesitate to discredit you." Cheney told ElBaradei and Hans Blix.

At the moment, no one can have confidence in the Bush Administration. Almost three years into the war, the world is not safer, the middle east is less stable and the Americans and others die for a mission that is not what it once was called: A fight for democracy. It would be nice, as well as important, to know how we got into this mess. It wasnt that he had the wrong facts. It was that the right ones didnt matter.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/col/...p-311821c.html

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You talk like this is an entire failure. Since the invasion the Iraqi people have had open election for their parliment, open elections on a constitution, and will have open elections again for their permanant parliment and also for president and prime minister. How is that a failure? In 2006 our people will be coming home with a job well done!! :thumbsup:

2082 dead soldiers is failure

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Originally Posted by eg420ne

2082 dead soldiers is failure

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Thats not a failure...thats an unfortunate circumstance of war! So in your eyes, WW2 must have been a complete fuck-up!!! :rolleyes:

It is a failure if your prez lied to you about what you are fighting for.

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Originally Posted by eg420ne

It is a failure if your prez lied to you about what you are fighting for.

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I don't see where the lie comes in....like I stated...to bad Syria wouldn't step up! :cursing:

UH have you looked at all th Democrat speeches before the Iraq war? They were ALL for taking Sadam out, they only changed their minds after.\


2082 dead soldiers is failure

^^ Liberals needs a new argument. How many died in WW1? WW2? Korea? Vietnam? Most of the dead in Iraq are from Roadside Bombs laid by cowards who wont fight a battle they cant win.

And yes the world is safer, every dead muslim makes the world a safer place. One less person to blow himself up and murder Civilians

This is what Sadamm was saying before the war....that America didn't have the stomach for it...why didn't he just say the Democrats didn't have the stomach for it? :question:

Here Here..and now look what the democrats are calling for, Troops to withdraw from Iraq because there are more imminent threats in the world.

They call for a troop withdrawl AFTER the president of Iraq and G.W. stated that our people would be coming home gradually in 2006. As if they had any influence on it! :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

They call for a troop withdrawl AFTER the president of Iraq and G.W. stated that our people would be coming home gradually in 2006. As if they had any influence on it! :rolleyes:

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Just wait until the Republicans start distancing themselves from daddy in preparation for 2008. Maybe they'll carry some weight.

Listen to the presidents soothing words, and ignore those who distrub your rest sleep, America, sleep. Sleep to dream, and undisturbed sleep of the contented. Breath deeply to the cadence of our President lullaby:
"We Are Strong, You Are Safe, Go To Sleep."

Ignore the distant sirens and 2000 dead in Iraq with no end in sight. Ignore that tonight, as you slumber, three more will die, They are your neighbors children not yours
Plug your ears to the voices that agitate you, to Brent Scowcraft--Hawk in the first Gulf War, former Air Force general and National Security Adviser, best friend to George Bush Senior. Shut your eyes tight to his rebuke of our Iraq policy, and to his alarm that we are fueling, and not quelling Jihadists around the world bent on harming us.
"We Are Strong, You Are Safe, Goto Sleep."

Sleep, America, The sleep of the rightous even as visions of Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib haunt your rest. Shut out the meddlesome plea of John McCain to stop for the sake our own troops, the torture of the prisoners we take.

Listen instead to Dick Cheneys soothing baritone, making the case for flouting th Geneva Conventions, for leagalizing torture. We are America the free.

Ignore the disquieting dreams that disturb your rest that you were lied to in order to justify a preemptive war.
Pull the quilted covers tight around you and dispel the troubling notions that there are no WMDs, no imminent Nuclear threat, and no connection between Iraq and Al-Qaida. We are america the brave.

Close the shutters to the memory that the architect of your safety and security, Don Rumfled, trumpeted that we embraced as liberators in Iraq, that the insurgency- now in its third year- was the last gasp of "a few dead-enders>"
And by all means, America, do not rise to investigate those bumps in the night that cause you to startle. Do not wonder, for instance, where Osama sleeps and why he too sleeps peacefully you are safe America, Lullaby and Goodnight.
www.commondreams.org.

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Originally Posted by lemonboy

Just wait until the Republicans start distancing themselves from daddy in preparation for 2008. Maybe they'll carry some weight.

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I could really give a shit about what they do...I'm Libertarian! :clap:

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Originally Posted by eg420ne

Listen to the presidents soothing words, and ignore those who distrub your rest sleep, America, sleep. Sleep to dream, and undisturbed sleep of the contented. Breath deeply to the cadence of our President lullaby:
"We Are Strong, You Are Safe, Go To Sleep."

Ignore the distant sirens and 2000 dead in Iraq with no end in sight. Ignore that tonight, as you slumber, three more will die, They are your neighbors children not yours
Plug your ears to the voices that agitate you, to Brent Scowcraft--Hawk in the first Gulf War, former Air Force general and National Security Adviser, best friend to George Bush Senior. Shut your eyes tight to his rebuke of our Iraq policy, and to his alarm that we are fueling, and not quelling Jihadists around the world bent on harming us.
"We Are Strong, You Are Safe, Goto Sleep."

Sleep, America, The sleep of the rightous even as visions of Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib haunt your rest. Shut out the meddlesome plea of John McCain to stop for the sake our own troops, the torture of the prisoners we take.

Listen instead to Dick Cheneys soothing baritone, making the case for flouting th Geneva Conventions, for leagalizing torture. We are America the free.

Ignore the disquieting dreams that disturb your rest that you were lied to in order to justify a preemptive war.
Pull the quilted covers tight around you and dispel the troubling notions that there are no WMDs, no imminent Nuclear threat, and no connection between Iraq and Al-Qaida. We are america the brave.

Close the shutters to the memory that the architect of your safety and security, Don Rumfled, trumpeted that we embraced as liberators in Iraq, that the insurgency- now in its third year- was the last gasp of "a few dead-enders>"
And by all means, America, do not rise to investigate those bumps in the night that cause you to startle. Do not wonder, for instance, where Osama sleeps and why he too sleeps peacefully you are safe America, Lullaby and Goodnight.
www.commondreams.org.

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And all this relates to the topic? Do believe your already in that sleep mode your talkin' about! Pleasant Dreams!!! :thumbsup:

no im talking to you psy

Well, Sadamm sleeps in a jail cell...Osama in a cave. As for myself, I always sleep well! :thumbsup:

Im glad 2 hear it psy Have a wonderful day and sleep well tonight

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Originally Posted by eg420ne

In one of the most intellectually incoherent major speeches ever delivered by a minor president, George W. Bush last week blamed some democrats and anti-war critics for changing their minds about the war in Iraq and now saying they were deceived. It is deeply irresponsible to rewrite history of how that war began, the president said. Yes, sir, but it is even more deeply irresponsible to rewrite history of how history was rewritten in the first place.

We can endlessly debate the facts. More important, though, is the mind-set of those in the administration from the president on down, who had these facts- or, as we shall see, none at all- and mangled them in the cause of the war.

For example, the insistence that Saddam was somehow linked to 9/11 tells you that to bush and his people, the facts did not matter. It did not matter that Mohamed Atta never met with Iraqis in Prague. It did not matter that Mohamed ElBaradei, head of the international Atomic Energy Agency, was finding no evidence of an Iraqi nuclear weapons programs. None of that mattered to Vice-President Cheney, a fibber without peer in the realm, who warn of a reconstituted nuclear weapons program, promoted the non existent Prague meeting and went after legitimate critics. "We will not hesitate to discredit you." Cheney told ElBaradei and Hans Blix.

At the moment, no one can have confidence in the Bush Administration. Almost three years into the war, the world is not safer, the middle east is less stable and the Americans and others die for a mission that is not what it once was called: A fight for democracy. It would be nice, as well as important, to know how we got into this mess. It wasnt that he had the wrong facts. It was that the right ones didnt matter.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/col/...p-311821c.html

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I agree with you totally I don't know how you can have confidence in your administration when all they do is lie and lie it's never ending!When will you other people wake up and realise that you are all being hood winked into believing this utter garbage seriously you need to look at your government and see what they really are up to!It's not worth the lives of both the americans.brits,aussies and anyone else that has participated in this outrages war.And as for Iraq itself well it's so unstable,there is not enough food,water,clothes it's just not on the country was running ok until we invaded the country. :mad:

You do know if you agree with me you have to turn yourself in at your local detention center for your 2 min hate, cant have people thinking outside of the cage, running around telling people the truth. I watched Congress discuss the war issue today and i have 2 say the repube did a great job distortin the real issue and misspeak about what the democrat John Murtha had really said about withdrawing troops from Iraq. Orwell would be proud of all the doublethinking, newspeak, and doublespeaking going on by the republicans, like I said jester rove hoofprints were all over this one.

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Originally Posted by Tholiak

And yes the world is safer, every dead muslim makes the world a safer place. One less person to blow himself up and murder Civilians

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How can you generalize like that? Your taking the actions of a select few and and think EVERY should be held accountable for it? How is that any different from a white American who believes that just because one black street gang robbed his house, all black people should be annihilated?

Not everything has to be so extreme-- I agree that the world is a safer place without Saddam Hussein, but I think a statement like the one you made is the equivalent of the very small group of muslim terrorists who think anybody who doesn't accept their faith must die.

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Originally Posted by zooted999

How can you generalize like that? Your taking the actions of a select few and and think EVERY should be held accountable for it? How is that any different from a white American who believes that just because one black street gang robbed his house, all black people should be annihilated? Not everything has to be so extremeâ??I agree that the world is a safer place without Saddam Hussein, but I think a statement like the one you made is the equivalent of the very small group of muslim terrorists who think anybody who doesnâ??t accept their faith must die.

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It is NOT only a â??very small group of muslim terrorists who think anybody who doesnâ??t accept their faith must dieâ?�. Itâ??s the backbone of their religion.
Hereâ??s some pictures. If you are easily disturbed by lynching, stoning, pedophilia and pederasty, mutilation of children by their parents, children wired up with dynamite, and other extreme acts, donâ??t look at it.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/gallery.htm

The website above, which is dedicated to ending Islamic faiths, leaves no stone unturned as to the utter insanity, and dangers, of this religion. Judaism and Christianity are bad enough, but if there were awards for abominations and atrocities these guys would take First Prize in almost every category.

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Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat

It is NOT only a â??very small group of muslim terrorists who think anybody who doesnâ??t accept their faith must dieâ?�. Itâ??s the backbone of their religion.
Hereâ??s some pictures. If you are easily disturbed by lynching, stoning, pedophilia and pederasty, mutilation of children by their parents, children wired up with dynamite, and other extreme acts, donâ??t look at it.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/gallery.htm

The website above, which is dedicated to ending Islamic faiths, leaves no stone unturned as to the utter insanity, and dangers, of this religion. Judaism and Christianity are bad enough, but if there were awards for abominations and atrocities these guys would take First Prize in almost every category.

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Interesting...you provide a link portraying the fanaticism of the muslim religion, but yet you provide none about the fanatacism of christianity or judaism...

although both (christianity in particular) religions are equally as responsible for committing atrocities over the course of history.


very interesting...

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Originally Posted by nicholasstanko

Interesting...you provide a link portraying the fanaticism of the muslim religion, but yet you provide none about the fanatacism of christianity or judaism...although both (christianity in particular) religions are equally as responsible for committing atrocities over the course of history.very interesting...

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I also believe that Christianity, Judaism, and all other religions are wrong. I do not think that they (Christians and Jews) are as crazy as the Muslims of today are, and Islam is currently the worldâ??s most severe problem. The three big Monotheistic faiths are all linked, and Islam is the most dangerous one today because of the enormous number of adherents that are convinced that their way is the ONLY way.

Hereâ??s some links about the dangers of Christianity, Judaism, and Islam:
http://www.deism.org/atrocities.htm

http://www.geocities.com/paulntobin/consequence.html

â??In general, Jews do not proselytize, but they do welcome newcomers to their faith.â?�
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0001462.html

All of these religions have to go, but Islam is the worst. Bush consoles all sides, and acts like there is some "value" in the Islamic beliefs. He is wrong - just as he is wrong about Christianity.

Don't you think that it's a bit of an exaggeration however, to proclaim that EVERY muslim, even most muslims want the extermination of everyone who isn't like them?

It just seems wildly inappropriate to say that the solution to the beliefs of the few is to take away the lives of the many. Sounds tyrannical.

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Originally Posted by zooted999

Don't you think that it's a bit of an exaggeration however, to proclaim that EVERY muslim, even most muslims want the extermination of everyone who isn't like them? It just seems wildly inappropriate to say that the solution to the beliefs of the few is to take away the lives of the many. Sounds tyrannical.

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They have to be taught that raising, harboring and supporting homocidal, terror-creating jihadists is not in their best interest. The worst "tyrants" are the religous extremists, and their economically motivated power-hungry supporters, who are doing this to us - and now even to their own people.

Rationality must win out on this one, or the consequences may mean the end of life on this planet as we know it. Muslims have been creating trouble for 14 centuries, and it's only getting worse. All they have to do is band together and put an end to it, and I hope that they do - for everyone's sake.

Even Fidel Castro, a notorious dictator, is against terrorism! His people are allowed to have weapons, and no one's shot him yet.

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Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat

I also believe that Christianity, Judaism, and all other religions are wrong. I do not think that they (Christians and Jews) are as crazy as the Muslims of today are, and Islam is currently the worldâ??s most severe problem. The three big Monotheistic faiths are all linked, and Islam is the most dangerous one today because of the enormous number of adherents that are convinced that their way is the ONLY way.

Hereâ??s some links about the dangers of Christianity, Judaism, and Islam:
http://www.deism.org/atrocities.htm

http://www.geocities.com/paulntobin/consequence.html

â??In general, Jews do not proselytize, but they do welcome newcomers to their faith.â?�
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0001462.html

All of these religions have to go, but Islam is the worst. Bush consoles all sides, and acts like there is some "value" in the Islamic beliefs. He is wrong - just as he is wrong about Christianity.

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interesting...

you support a war to eradicate islamic fundamentalism...only to leave victory in the hands of someone who claims that God talks to him in his head,,,

I know there are many crazy muslims out there...but they dont talk too much about allah speaking to them personally.


very interesting...

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Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat

They have to be taught that raising, harboring and supporting homocidal, terror-creating jihadists is not in their best interest. The worst "tyrants" are the religous extremists, and their economically motivated power-hungry supporters, who are doing this to us - and now even to their own people.

Rationality must win out on this one, or the consequences may mean the end of life on this planet as we know it. Muslims have been creating trouble for 14 centuries, and it's only getting worse. All they have to do is band together and put an end to it, and I hope that they do - for everyone's sake.

Even Fidel Castro, a notorious dictator, is against terrorism! His people are allowed to have weapons, and no one's shot him yet.

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interesting...

so to attain peace, wars must be pre-emptively fought against those that have no idea who you are?

So, if say China didn't like the nuclear weapons program the u.s. is drawing up right now as we speak, and thought that more powerful weaponry in the hands of the united states could not be tolerated, you'd cheer on chinese troops storming the cities and launching warheads and kidnapping american citizens for vital information?

if china thought that america posed a huge threat to their country, you'd support them in all endeavours?

i mean, america's been causing trouble in the international community for the last 60 years or so...

very interesting...

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Originally Posted by nicholasstanko

interesting...so to attain peace, wars must be pre-emptively fought against those that have no idea who you are?
The main "war" that must be fought is that of promoting rational thinking. Actual combat is a last resort, but if it were necessary for our survival and well being, then I'd go with it - as would most civilized people.

So, if say China didn't like the nuclear weapons program the u.s. is drawing up right now as we speak, and thought that more powerful weaponry in the hands of the united states could not be tolerated, you'd cheer on chinese troops storming the cities and launching warheads and kidnapping american citizens for vital information?
The government and population of China are getting increasingly enlightened as to the futility of attempting to continue the type of economy that they have been living with. The other day, a burka wearing girl, in her 20's, was sitting across from me on the subway. Next to her was an Asian girl, about the same age and size. There was no question, in my mind, as to which one I would prefer to know. Keep in mind, that the Asian woman was much further removed from me, racially, than the middle-eastern one. I would say the same for people of ANY race that are rational.

if china thought that america posed a huge threat to their country, you'd support them in all endeavours?
Although they have the "wrong" type of government, the Chinese are rational. Even when they were helping North Viet Nam, nobody was afraid that they would take it to the next level with us.

i mean, america's been causing trouble in the international community for the last 60 years or so...
That's an opinion that some people have - but the extent, importance, and reasons for the conflicts in question are not uniform . No matter what you do, somebody disagrees.

very interesting...

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OK, the "very interesting" tagline is getting very old, as in "boring". Please do everyone a favor and drop it.

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Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat

OK, the "very interesting" tagline is getting very old, as in "boring". Please do everyone a favor and drop it.

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interesting...

so you say that war should be fought as a last resort, but 9/11 was a little over four years ago...the war was started about three years ago...so by your reasoning, you must think that less than a year is sufficient time to diplomatically change the cultural and idealogical system of a country before bombing them to pieces...

You also say that you would rather get to know th asian girl, simply because she wasnt wearing a burka...freedom at its finest i see.

hmmm....China continues to send spies into many different countries to steal their research, sign war treaties with the likes of russia and n. korea...and has generals that openly state that they are willing to use nukes against north america... but yet you state that China has no plans to assert itself militarily because they are "rational"

It seems to be my understanding that Saddam was being rational when he let wepaons inspectors in his country, but the u.s. took over anyway.

Rational indeed.

What's also interesting is the fact that you think ive started my "very interesting" approach as a way to humor you...


Very interesting...

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Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat

OK, the "very interesting" tagline is getting very old, as in "boring". Please do everyone a favor and drop it.

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Nick must have found a good bag! Instead of ignorant neo-con motherfucker we get....very interesting....the dude is just a lil' more fucked up than usual! :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

Nick must have found a good bag! Instead of ignorant neo-con motherfucker we get....very interesting....the dude is just a lil' more fucked up than usual! :thumbsup:

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interesting...

you're right on one point...i got some of the finest purple haze mixed with white russian that toronto has to offer.

hmmm...perhaps you've found something on that one...

very interesting...

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Originally Posted by nicholasstanko

interesting...

you're right on one point...i got some of the finest purple haze mixed with white russian that toronto has to offer.

hmmm...perhaps you've found something on that one...

very interesting...

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LOL...I knew you were fucked up!!! That a boy!!!! :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

LOL...I knew you were fucked up!!! That a boy!!!! :thumbsup:

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interesting...

psycho's an arrogant asshole whom i despise...yet i find myself laughing at his posts every once and a while.

very interesting...

interesting indeed!

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Originally Posted by eg420ne

interesting indeed!

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interesting...


even in anger, weed manages to bring mankind together.

very interesting...

[QUOTE=nicholasstanko]interesting...

so you say that war should be fought as a last resort, but 9/11 was a little over four years ago...the war was started about three years ago...so by your reasoning, you must think that less than a year is sufficient time to diplomatically change the cultural and idealogical system of a country before bombing them to pieces...
Which "war" are you talking about? My opinion is that we should have started bombing Afghanistan soon after the attacks of 9/11, and continued until they surrendered and gave us bin ladan and/or the other al quada leaders.

You also say that you would rather get to know th asian girl, simply because she wasnt wearing a burka...freedom at its finest i see.
Are you suggesting that disrespect fo burkas is being unsociable, or against freedom? I don't like the burka because of what it represents, and I don't like crucifixes either. When I was single, in my 20â??s through mid-30â??s, I would not date girls that wore the cross, or other religious symbols - and I certainly would not have bothered with a burka-bitch. I knew a girl of Jewish ethnicity who had a blind-date with a guy that showed up wearing a yarmica. She went out with him for dinner, but was mortified that someone that she knew would see her. If he'd shown up wearing a rag on his head, she probably wouldn't have even gone, lol.

hmmm....China continues to send spies into many different countries to steal their research, sign war treaties with the likes of russia and n. korea...and has generals that openly state that they are willing to use nukes against north america... but yet you state that China has no plans to assert itself militarily because they are "rational"
I'm hoping that if they get rational enough, which they seem to be going in the direction of, then perhaps most, or all, of their military actions will be for worthwhile reasons.

It seems to be my understanding that Saddam was being rational when he let wepaons inspectors in his country, but the u.s. took over anyway.
Yes, I agree, but he's not stupid and already had a history of tyranny and genocide against him. He's a better person than bin laden and people of similar mentalities(which ain't saying much) .

Rational indeed.

What's also interesting is the fact that you think ive started my "very interesting" approach as a way to humor you...
If you have had an enlightening experience, and that is what you mean, then I am glad for you. Somehow, I donâ??t think that this is the case.

"Very Interesting" was only funny when the very talented Artie Johnson, wearing a German officers' Army uniform did it on the old Rowen and Martinâ??s Laugh-In TV show. It's OLD, and you're no Artie Johnson.
http://www.laugh.com/main_pages/comicpage.asp?cid=302

If only the whole world smoked pot, we would have peace on earth(maybe)some people just need to b taken out back and shot with some good space coke

Interesting...

[QUOTE=Breukelen advocaat]

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Originally Posted by nicholasstanko

interesting...

so you say that war should be fought as a last resort, but 9/11 was a little over four years ago...the war was started about three years ago...so by your reasoning, you must think that less than a year is sufficient time to diplomatically change the cultural and idealogical system of a country before bombing them to pieces...

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Which "war" are you talking about? My opinion is that we should have started bombing Afghanistan soon after the attacks of 9/11, and continued until they surrendered and gave us bin ladan and/or the other al quada leaders.

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Right. and many would agree with you. In fact, Afghanistan was a military success. The only problem is that instead of providing relief efforts for the surviving civilians and restoring the hospitals and schools, the soldiers were ordered to stand down and watch as Bush got bored and started a war someplace else.

Summarily I'm saying that if the time couldnt be taken to strategise and reduce civilian casualties as much as possible, then why the dawdle when it came to actually capturing Binny boy?


You also say that you would rather get to know th asian girl, simply because she wasnt wearing a burka...freedom at its finest i see.

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Are you suggesting that disrespect fo burkas is being unsociable, or against freedom? I don't like the burka because of what it represents, and I don't like crucifixes either. When I was single, in my 20â??s through mid-30â??s, I would not date girls that wore the cross, or other religious symbols - and I certainly would not have bothered with a burka-bitch. I knew a girl of Jewish ethnicity who had a blind-date with a guy that showed up wearing a yarmica. She went out with him for dinner, but was mortified that someone that she knew would see her. If he'd shown up wearing a rag on his head, she probably wouldn't have even gone, lol.

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That's understandable and I'll concede with your points. Touche.

hmmm....China continues to send spies into many different countries to steal their research, sign war treaties with the likes of russia and n. korea...and has generals that openly state that they are willing to use nukes against north america... but yet you state that China has no plans to assert itself militarily because they are "rational"

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I'm hoping that if they get rational enough, which they seem to be going in the direction of, then perhaps most, or all, of their military actions will be for worthwhile reasons.

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Millions dead must be worthwhile for something...isnt it?


It seems to be my understanding that Saddam was being rational when he let wepaons inspectors in his country, but the u.s. took over anyway.
Yes, I agree, but he's not stupid and already had a history of tyranny and genocide against him. He's a better person than bin laden and people of similar mentalities(which ain't saying much) .

Rational indeed.

What's also interesting is the fact that you think ive started my "very interesting" approach as a way to humor you...
If you have had an enlightening experience, and that is what you mean, then I am glad for you. Somehow, I donâ??t think that this is the case.

"Very Interesting" was only funny when the very talented Artie Johnson, wearing a German officers' Army uniform did it on the old Rowen and Martinâ??s Laugh-In TV show. It's OLD, and you're no Artie Johnson.
http://www.laugh.com/main_pages/comicpage.asp?cid=302

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Thank you for the nostalgia. I had no idea that this fellow did the same thing. I guess we as humans aren't that much different after all.


Very interesting....

remember that old "laugh in" show with the little german guy that said:

very interesting.......lol

sorry Nic but that is what keeps popping in my head.:D

well I'm a bit slow I wasn't the only one....hahahaha