Why marijuana shouldnt be legalized

before everyone gets mad, just read why i think it shouldnt be legalized. If marijuana was completely legalized, then it would end up being mass produced by big corporations. And if that happened, then wouldnt it ruin the point of weed? i mean look at what happened with tobacco. a completely harmless drug being smoked and grown naturally by the native americans. then the big business comes and takes half the high away from the tobacco, and puts all sorts of addictive crap in it to keep people hooked on it. So wouldnt it make more sense to just make the punishment for having weed on you so small (like a 10$ fine or something like that) that the feds and the police won't even bother to try and catch people with weed. just a thought :rasta:

You're wrong, and paranoid, but that's ok.

If it were legalized, what would stop you from growing amazingly potent (and legal) bud at home?

:stoned: exactly!!! :D :D

ya, you got a point. and how i what i said paranoid? I got a aunt who just died of cancer at 49 from smoking cigarettes . i have a uncle whos being smoking weed all his life and is hitting 87 in a month. Just cause i say the word 'corporation' doesnt mean im talking about some conspiracy theory or some shit like that.

That is exactly one of the reasons why weed isn't going to be legal. Because how are they going to tax it!?? all they want to do is make as much money off of everything as they can, and that's impossible to do with reefer. As you all have clearly stated that you would grow it and that's exactly what they DONT want. They want to make money off of it and the only way they can is to make it illegal so they can put you on probation and fine you. Also what do you think they do with the major busts they make?? why, they re-sell it of course!!

I concur. You could just grow it yourself, and not buy those shitty joint cigarette things.

Ok, stop bringing up tax. When marijuana was legal it was taxed, it was a small tax that no one cared about, so stop bringing up tax.

heavymetal101 is exactly right they want money but with legal bud people could get seeds and grow their own, ya see it would suck legalized cause theres no rush in it, and if it was it would still be illegal to grow which would suck even more cause there would be more plant search teams.

dont you think that if marijuana was legalised...we wont be dying hard to smoke it...a beauty is a beauty till u touch it..so lets smoke..hiding

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Originally Posted by Monkey4Sale

Ok, stop bringing up tax. When marijuana was legal it was taxed, it was a small tax that no one cared about, so stop bringing up tax.

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So was GST and PST... they were both "small taxes" that were never supposed to be around after ww2. so what's your point? Nobody cared about it...and yet we still pay a "war tax" 65 years later.

Because we're always at war.
Also those little tax stamps from back in the day before it became illegal were only very few and practically impossible to get ,so it might as well have been illegal then too...but I guess it grew everywhere back then anyway.Taxing wont work.
Look at what people had to go through during prohabition of alcohol.Exactly what we are going threw now.Moonshine factories hiden on there land...Ever watch the dukes of Hazzard.
We are going to have to start taking some action guys.
I don't care if I can crews into 7/11 and buy a pack of white widow chewing weed.I'm happy with the way the cannabis club thing is going,it needs improvment and the prices should be a tad lower but I'd rather go to a cannabis club to buy it then a regular everyday store with kids around and nieghbors and shit. :D :thumbsup: :cursing:

Did you guys ever heard about a place called Amsterdam??? I mean, no need to fully legalize it, the word is decriminalize...Legal up to 28 gram or an ounce...Lil shop, like bars or coffee shop like in amsterdam could sell it, without adding those more than expensive chemicals put into cigs...Government could still tax the shops on their total revenue...So therefor everybody is happy...Please tell me if you don't agree with those points and why...

I always thought that if marijuana was legalized. Some big rich company would hire a bunch of NASA scientists or something and grow the best and most potent weed ever. Just trying to look on the bright side.

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Originally Posted by Monkey4Sale

Ok, stop bringing up tax. When marijuana was legal it was taxed, it was a small tax that no one cared about, so stop bringing up tax.

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and you could pay that tax with hemp.

First, I've gotta voice that marijuana is an amazing product not just as a product for consumption. If you ever get the time, look into the affects that hemp products have had on history... early stong navies, for example... and imagine how it could be utilized today. Anybody work somewhere that wastes paper? Anybody know how renewable hempfields are in comparison to forests mature enough for paper? Second, GROW. Please, everyone grow. Spread seeds in protected places whenever you can. And last, be a contributing member of society who uses. If you're young, grow up to be an important figure in your community... and do it smoking grass all the while! This is how a new understanding of pot will come about.

The Govt. has no reason to legalize it in the United States, and frankly I wouldn't change anything if it were legal, I dont think anyone in this forum would change a thing, besides maybe grow outside and smoke in public.

I would still conceal it because of the social stigma associated with entheogenics. Legal or Illegal Im still gonna smoke.

In the mid "70"s the price for a gram of cola was $100 and a ounce of Columbian was $25. The price of coke hasn't risen but the price of bud is completely out of line now! Even if there were a tax I think the price of a good bag would be WAY lower than it is now! :thumbsup:

if it were legalized, there would be entire organizations formed instantly to setup growth and distribution centers, regulation, indexing of breeding, and a breed database for crossing and collaboration, group ware and breeding centers, auctions and selling resources, instant boom in bud smoking technology. It would happen practically overnight. Head shops and bars will be popping up all over the country, in almost every town. It's like an industry just dieing to explode and flood the market with massive ammounts of good weed, unique weed, rainbow colored weed. There would be more weed throughout this country than in any country ever before. It would be good.....

economic boom = bad for war

Seriously nobody is gonna legalize it because its a drug, the only thing they will do with weed is decriminalize it like they did in canada. that means u only pay a fine when caught with it, that is the best fucking solution and thats as far as there are gonna go

Do you people posting in here completely know where you live? This is the USA; We the People make the laws! Or at least we're supposed to if we aren't glued to the damn TV, computer or playstation.

"They" are WHOMEVER gets off their ass and votes, petitions, and lobbies. All they did in Denver to get buds legal is they went out and got a bunch of petitions signed saying "We want buds legal" and guess what? It's lega. When every city does that and every State, then Washington will have to do it.

Don;t they teach you kids civis anymore? were you all glazed in US History? Man that is one calss you gotta be straight in or not only will buds remain illegal but you will be working in a giant corporate forced labor camp maknig junk for Wal-Mart for minimum wage like the f**king Chinese because you let the government rule you instead of runniong YOUR GOVERNMENT!

We need to sobe rup for 5 minutes, get petitions and get busy. I am the TN rep. for the US Mary Jane Political Party. Get on gong in your town, or sit around while the fascists CONTINUE to take over the country.

Matt
An old Hippy protestor who remembers the civil rights movement.

I don't want to have taxes on my weed it should be like growing potatoes no one gives a fuck. We must remember not to get too serious with copyrights and such

no, of course we dont learn civics, even if they do teach us, the education system is so out of whack, most kids arent even paying attention in the first place, and even if they were, the teachers are only doing this to get paied, so there's still a 50% chance that anyone will walk out of class knowing anything about how to make hemp legal.

Nightfox is right to a certain degree. The problem with bud is that it's been demonized for 70-80 years now in america. When uneducated people think of drugs they think of crack, meth, coke, heroine, and marijuana. You need to change the views on the herb before you can change the laws on the herb. If you try and skip that step then all your going to get is resistance and go no where.

but come on part of doing weed is hiding it from other ppl, and the fucking pigs

Syrrus is completely right, mainly cos he kinda agrees with me, but ppl need to change their views on bud as a drug.

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Originally Posted by Nightfox

Seriously nobody is gonna legalize it because its a drug

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and nothing legal is?

hey folks we are on the way.. i live in denver :)

technically legal... effectively still illegal... but nobody tries to enforce it unless your acting like a jackass ... askin to get busted

you can debate growing vs taxed product all day long but the simple truth is that the majority of smokers now don't grow thier own... they pay (higher than the price of gold i might add) to keep themselves in smoke. even if it were legalized, not THAT many people would go start growin thier own... theres always gonna be people who just wanna buy it instead, and thus there will always be a segment of the population to be taxed :twocents:

there are LOTS of legal drugs, nearly all of them worse for you than pot. it is an herb, it's definition as a drug depends greatly on point of view, and has nothing to do with legislation against it. caffine, nicotine, and alcohol are all legal drugs, and all are way worse for the body than pot smoking. and don't even get me started on the plethora of legal phamaceutical drugs :P

ANY over the counter drug or prescription drug is bad for you. over 2,000 people last year died just from taking aspirin. america is trying to fucking poison everyone. it's also in the food. don't you find it strange that 13 year old girls have triple C's?! or an 8th grade male with a full beard?
anyways, i'll quit before i get angry...i'm with you mightymarijuana, i'm glad people can smoke in denver. maybe i should move there, i'm in Co springs.

well i think the reason it shouldnt be legalized is b/c do u really dont want to get up when ur stoned the only time u really think about getting up is to go get so food do u really think ur going t owant to get up for school or work no ur going to sit their and think whats one more day of work then u dont got a job but u still got to pay bills u cant pay them when u have no money they take everything frome u now u live on the streets just b-c of one thing or u could be like a few smart people i know and get high and still b/able to do things :stoned:

[B]hey they are their killing the old and making the young look to old its all got to do w/money

it would have to be decriminalized before it was legalized. The politicians wont go near drug reform, and no one is gonna petition or lobby for reform on the for it to be decriminalized. Bill maher put it best.........the stoner movement isnt gonna go anywhere. why? cause to many stoners are involved. Eventually people will get tired of seeing millions of peoples lives getting affected over some half-assed marijuana arrest.

it's a very good example of how negativity spreads like wildfire, while positivity requires long and drawn out hard work.


sure, take the EASY way out, line your pockets with oil, lumber, and pharmacutical drugs, but that's a terribal path, one which leads swiftly to destruction.

Tobacco never has had a HIGH, if anything tobacco calms you.

I would humbly suggest that we are missing the point of marijuana prohibition in this thread. Just follow the money. Who profits from prohibition? Let's just call them the Drug War profiteers. This would be local police departments who get federal grants for drug enforcement efforts, and who can fund their department through [unconstitutional] confiscated property from drug busts. These profiteers would also include government functionaries whose careers depend upon prohibition, such as the DEA,ONDP, FBI and their para-military units that track down MJ users,sellers, growers, even critically-ill users. Then of course their are the politicians who have made a grandstanding career out of the Drug War, too many to mention here. Finally, there is international organized crime that would stand to lose considerably if MJ where suddenly allowed to be grown and sold legally. So put the profiteers together: police, federal government, organized crime. What a happy troika!

Put simply, not a f**king chance in hell that MJ will be legal in my lifetime.

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Originally Posted by passionate grower

I would humbly suggest that we are missing the point of marijuana prohibition in this thread. Just follow the money. Who profits from prohibition? Let's just call them the Drug War profiteers. This would be local police departments who get federal grants for drug enforcement efforts, and who can fund their department through [unconstitutional] confiscated property from drug busts. These profiteers would also include government functionaries whose careers depend upon prohibition, such as the DEA,ONDP, FBI and their para-military units that track down MJ users,sellers, growers, even critically-ill users. Then of course their are the politicians who have made a grandstanding career out of the Drug War, too many to mention here. Finally, there is international organized crime that would stand to lose considerably if MJ where suddenly allowed to be grown and sold legally. So put the profiteers together: police, federal government, organized crime. What a happy troika!

Put simply, not a f**king chance in hell that MJ will be legal in my lifetime.

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and FUCK YOU for not offering your life in honnor of the plant, by defending your rights to use.

believe me, if i ever get busted, you'll know it. i wont go down for pot, not alive.

I can't believe that this discussion is actually happening. People have their lives ruined everyday by marijuana prohibition. Check out
"New Reports All Agree: Marijuana Prohibition
is an Expensive Failure
Three Nobel Laureates, American Enterprise Institute,
others call for a new approach" at http://mpp.org/reports/index.html
to end the taxation debate.
Another thing is that all of you at cannabis.com can grow your own, no problem, but that does not account for all those not on cannabis.com that have no experience growing, but still smoke as much as they can.

How can this debate even be happening, I watched my grandfather die slowly and eventual what killed him was starvation because he couldn't remember how to swallow food because of Alzheimerâ??s. The new Times magazine has an article stating that cannabis can stop the progression of Alzheimerâ??s. How can anyone be so greedy that they want to be able to smoke for themselves (in the closet, no offence to homosexuals), but be all right with the criminality of cannabis that basically led to my grandfathersâ?? horrible death? This can go for any medical condition cannabis helps: aids, cancer, MS, glaucoma, epilepsy, ect.

How can anyone say that cannabis should not be fully legalized if only to save the lives of so many people who, without this sacred medicine would die or have a life not worth living? Our government will never legalize marijuana, but as long as I am alive, cannabis will not reach 100 years of prohibition. Citizens will rise up and through citizen initiatives (done in Med MJ states already) cannabis will become legal to whatever level each city or state wants it.

Chris

Yep thanks Chris! Good vibes! And you are true, more and more we see some positive thing, breakthrough and more...Many voters will realise it, and politicians, one of the most influent of all the profiters, will legalize for votes...The inevident will become evident, it's the purpous of our being, to eludes mysteries so we can evolve...Evolution is more attractive than money, to many eyes...

passionate grower is right -the so called "drug war" is an industry. too many other industries have too much to lose. it doesnt matter who you vote for, because all politicians are pussy sellouts getting fucked in the a$$ by big corporations. Sad but true -this country is not controlled by the people anymore-its controlled by big tobacco, big pharma, the food industry,andthe petroleum industry.