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I was just thinking, in christianity (and probably a bunch of other monotheistic religions) god is very against homosexuality and generally condemns you to hell for poking someone in the ass. might I ask why? is there some consequence, some harm done to god or society or somebody if you stick your penis in somebody's anus? what's the whole reason behind this ruling, or is it just accepted "because god said it" with no real reason given?
I think the general arguments are;
God said so.
It's dirty.
It's not natural.
Homosexuals corrupt our children!
Homosexuality means less families will be created, and less children raised.
Don't even get me started on countering those stupid arguments.
As an aside, when you consider the bible in it's original context - all those many many years ago - homosexuality would have been frowned upon slightly as no children would have resulted from the union - masturbation was discouraged for the same reason. The penis' function was to create babies.
God, like any other totalitarian dictator, does not need to explain himself. God is perfect so there must be some reason for his actions, right? And if you use the free will God gave you to reason out some rules that are more logical than his, then you have to ignore them or burn.
My God doesn't give a shit. My Lord doesn't care. The more queers, the less we have to worry about overpopulation.
edit:Dear God I Believe In You, Dear God I trust In You, Dear God I Love You. Amen.
if everyman and every woman that could reproduce did (meaning all the gay people turned straight all of a sudden) this world would quickly become over populated, opposed to the rate at which it's moving now. as science grows stronger and stronger and we cure diseases that's more and more people that live when "they weren't supposed to" do n't get me wrong, i don't think anyone should have to die if they can be saved...but you have to think about it....the earths population steadily grows and grows the more and more people are saved from disease they before would have died from...if he was even real what could be his reasoning? that he wanted us to be so over populated we used every resource and we all died, or very few of us lived? i don't have the figures, but think about how many people there was back in a 1400's, then think about how how many more were in the 1800's as medicine started to grow, then look at now.....1400's North america didn't have that many humans inhabitting it, mainly just the indians, by 1800's parts of it were inhabited by new people as well as the indians, in the present time i'm going to guess atleast 1/2 of it is highly populated as well as all the other continents that had people back in the 1400's. imagine what it will be like by 2400, assuming no great disaster happens wiping out millions if not billions of people.
All these diseases may be tests. We may have to purify the Earth in order for God to do what He's gonna do. Maybe the Second Coming, or Third, Fifth, whatever will be when the Earth is clean. I don't know. I was never taught the Bible, my view on it is God will someday come down "from the heavens" and grant us everlasting life.
Again, you're picking and choosing which parts of the Bible you want to believe in without any real guidelines. If you're going to use the Bible as a moral guide, you can't throw out some of the rules just because you don't like them. If you're not going to accept the Bible's wacky claims that God views homosexuality as an abomination, how can you accept its equally wacky claims that Jesus is the son of God and a virgin? Where in it does God say "I was just kidding about that gay stuff, but Jesus really is divine"?Quote:
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So I'm punished with death just because I was born in 1985 and not 2985? What the hell did I do to deserve that? What a dick this God guy is. :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by beachguy in thongs
You're not punished, yet, calm down. We have to figure it out, together.
Just forget about it.Quote:
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Yeah, let's figure it out together. Without relying on 2,000-year-old hate literature that has nothing to offer a modern society.Quote:
Originally Posted by beachguy in thongs
those laws are of ancient israeli culture, where obedience was the way seen to get closer to God. fundamentalist christians don't see it all that way, and do pick and choose their shit. it doesn't really matter though, because christianity teaches that love is ultimate.
Galations 5:6 "[6] For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth anything, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love."
or translated to newer english
"For in Christ neither our most conscientious religion nor desregard of religion amounts to anything. What matters is something far more inerior: faith expressed in love"
so, if it doesn't matter if you're circumcized which is a law in Deuteronomy, then the same laws against homosexuality aren't detremental either.
You know there are gay rams. OSU has a whole stable full of them, born that way and everything. There goes that not natural claim.
*nods* Yup, more than a few species of animals have been noted to engage in homosexual behaviour.Quote:
Originally Posted by Monkey4Sale
funny you should bring that up, i used to have a cat (full grown) that would give my shih-tzu head....it would start off by licking it alot then eventually it would bring it to more intense lvls >.< not only were they both males it was intra-species!
I can't say I buy this "gay animals" stuff myself. animals just hump whatever makes them feel good while humping, "gay" and "bisexual" are just human inventions. while animals make take on mates of the same sex, that doesn't mean they'd actually reject another mate because of their sex, making them gay.
In humans, I saw a study on how gay-men have more spots a their hypothalmus, or a certain part in the Medulla, I can't remember, women have more, and straight men have less. And some women have less spots on their thymus (maybe), making them manlier. But it was a study that proved that people are born to be gay... :glugglug:
So, right there, that would prove that God doesn't shun gays, if they're born that way.
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Thats one theory, that gay people are here to prevent overpopulation. But I dont buy it, because you assume that gay people dont want to have biological children, which I dont think is true. The theory also assumes that all gay people are out, which is definately not true. Go to any gay chat room and you'll see that half the men are married.
Most gay men in the world eventually marry women, and most gay women in the eventually marry men. And the reason is obvious, most cultures not only look down upon gay behavior with disgust, but also frown upon the decision to not have a family. So, no, if there were no gay people in the world, the population wouldnt change drastically.
Monkeys and pigs and countless other animals do choose mates of the same sex when there are plenty of mates of the opposite sex to choose from.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrdevious
http://home.insight.rr.com/snookems/...y-animals.html
I dont know why but research is exploring homosexuality in nature. Some questions to think about.
1)Are animals that are strictly homosexual conscious of the fact that they're not reproducing?
2)Are they "attracted" to members of the same sex, or do they think they're mating with a member of the opposite sex?
3)How do they choose mates of the same sex? Are there mating calls involved?
4)Why do some species of animals have a higher rate of homosexuality in their population?
Here is an interesting passage from the link:
"Life in the animal kingdom is a far more intricate and amazing ballet than most of us have ever dreamed. Take the swan lakes of Australia and New Zealand, for example. Among the elegant, red-billed black swans that nest there, the most successful parents tend to be male couples.
By combining their strength, a male black swan duo â?? mated for years or life â?? stakes out prime territory sometimes 100 times as large as properties left over for their neighbors. A male couple interested in fatherhood consorts with a female, shooing her away after she lays eggs. Or the homosexual couple forcibly adopts an egg-filled nest. Together, the male pair incubates the eggs and raises the chicks. The male couplesâ?? success rate is awesome: Though just 5 percent of black swan pairs, they parent 20 to 25 percent of surviving chicks." -Detroit news
This is a very fascinating issue, especially if you like to study animals.
I know, Moj-ster, that's just something other people have joked about. There's no possible way there will be enough gays to compensate for the useless teenagers having babies.Quote:
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I read a study which said that a certain percentage consistently chose a mate of the same sex, even though the opposite sex was available.Quote:
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The gay rams have been given the option of mating with ewe's. They even have ewe's spread out amongst them. They will always mate with their male counterparts, therefore they reject the females, and are gay.
Animals also don't usually "hump" to feel good, they "hump" to procreate. Obviously two men can't make a baby. Also rams don't have the option of adoption. Very few species mate for reasons other than the continuation of their species. (In response to "hump whatever makes them feel good while humping" statement)
Also, the OSU barn has over 50 rams, I'm pretty sure there are over 100 of them, but I'm not 100% positive, so I'm going with 50 for now. So, in Oregon 50+ rams are homosexual. Sure this seems like a small number, but the number of homosexuals to heterosexuals in humans(over all), is equally(or close to) as small.
alright, considering there's some objective studies I can believe there's gay animals. although, while I know it's the popular theory, I don't know for sure that they only screw to procreate and not for pleasure. I have my doubts for 2 reasons:Quote:
Originally Posted by Monkey4Sale
1. I've heard of many people in third world countries who have had tons of babies and actually dont' know why. there's actually people who don't know that sex will get you pregnant unless they are taught.
2. while some animals breed only in specific cycles, there's many who do so whenever they feel like it. I think anybody who's been around a fair amount of dogs in their lifetime has had their leg humped, and I'm pretty sure they're not trying to make babies with my leg, or the couch, or whatever else they hump when they get excited. plus, strange as this sounds, canaries are actually one of (if not THE) kinkiest animals around. they've been known to engage in same-sex intercourse, bisexual intercourse, orgies, oral sex, gang rapes, rapes, and a whatever else you can fathom. lol, I know that one surprised me too.
Im a Catholic. Have been all my life. According to our beliefs, homosexuality does not contribute to the recreation of life. If a man and a woman were to have sex, the purpose is to recreate. therefore, a man and a man engaging in sexual activities, do not create life. and as far as all this gay animal talk, i have no idea haha
Wasted is right...It is told in the Bible (if you choose to beileve it) that God banished a city for its unclean acts which included homosexuality, amoung other things. Religiously speaking I do not think it is ture, if "God" created us he also created out emotions and knew this was a possiblity. Many, not all, churchs ban the acts of homosexuality. It is pretty much cuz mankind is well...full of morons...I don't care if someone is gay and why should I? If I can deal with it I think God, The all mighty and loving lord, should be able to deal.
It's not about dealing with anything. It's purely that God is the Akmighty Creator of this world. And when he made the first humans, (along with everything else) He gave them a free will. The only rule that God gave Adam and Eve was to not eat the fruit off of one single tree. And they would have rather sinned and eaten the fruit rather than, live in forever happiness and purity.
Humans have been givin the choice to live as they want. God isnt going to interfere with what you choose to do, but once you die your going to be asked why you did what you did. And if you deliberatly disobeyd God then your going to hell.
Another thing, and which is the most important in Christianity is Faith. You have to Believe in what God has said and done. The Bible was wrote by a miracle of God, thats what how he wanted it to be done. He gives the message to a holy person and they relay it into a book. If you dont have faith in something, then your living for nothing.
All that is necessary, as it seems to me, to convince any reasonable person that the Bible is simply and purely of human invention â?? of barbarian invention â?? is to read it. Read it as you would any other book; think of it as you would of any other; get the bandage of reverence from your eyes; drive from your heart the phantom of fear; push from the throne of your brain the coiled form of superstition â?? then read the Holy Bible, and you will be amazed that you ever, for one moment, supposed a being of infinite wisdom, goodness and purity, to be the author of such ignorance and of such atrocity."
[Robert G. Ingersoll, "The Gods", 1872]
Catholic girls
With a tiny little mustache
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Do you know how they go?
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In the rectory basement
Father rileyâ??s a fairy
But it donâ??t bother mary :thumbsup:
have a stick up their ass!
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You say it as if you choose to become gay/lez. Its not a choice. Either you are or you are not. If you are, you can pretend your not but thats all it is, pretend.Quote:
Humans have been givin the choice to live as they want. God isnt going to interfere with what you choose to do, but once you die your going to be asked why you did what you did. And if you deliberatly disobeyd God then your going to hell.
Very nice. Yes it was a miracle. But the Bible we have is not the same Bible that was writen all those years ago. Our Bible has be altered. Sections have been cut, parts added and things never translated. Our Bible is made only of what we wanted in it.Quote:
The Bible was wrote by a miracle of God, thats what how he wanted it to be done. He gives the message to a holy person and they relay it into a book. If you dont have faith in something, then your living for nothing.
Are you type that lets the mosquitos gather around your face??? The reason why they are buggers is because they're bugging you, I could see how they'd get a stick up their ass, the bugger put it there.Quote:
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Lighten up! It's a joke!
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If you laugh hard enough that stick might just come flying out.
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But if you like it, you'll love a penis!
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Homosexuality is detestable to God for the reason that it is a natural path of the human sexuality without God. God's gift of sexuality, the fact that we enjoy expressing this love to our other half ("for this reason a man shall leave his family and be united with his wife and they shall become one flesh") is because it is a gift from God. Homosexuality is the bending, breaking, and abusing of that gift to fit our natural corruption without God. The real question is why do some people naturally turn to this unnatural lifestyle? Looking at this honestly; what causes people to somehow decide that normal sexual function doesn't appeal to them?Quote:
Originally Posted by mrdevious
This is the best verse I can find that explains what homosexuality is and where it came from (or at least the motives behind it)
18The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualitiesâ??his eternal power and divine natureâ??have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
21For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.
24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creatorâ??who is forever praised. Amen.
26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
It's when man has turned away from God that we fall short of any good. Homosexuality saw a great rise in the 70's-90's, and for that reason the aids epidemic hit the gay community so hard. It's not REALLY punishment from God, but rather the natural side effects that occure when we do something we shouldn't. It logically makes sense that anal sex would have a higher risk for aids both biologically (the anus isn't supposed to be fucked, duh, and in turn gets cut and bleeds) God won't protect you unless you're turned towards him, not because he doesn't love you and care about you, but rather because you have remained in your sin and cannot be anywhere near God (not in terms of location but purity, or "holiness".
Don't get me wrong, homophobic people are in no place to judge gay people, because homosexuality goes no further than being just another sin. You may as well say all gluttons go to hell, or gossips, or whatever
People who say that they didn't chose to become gay or lesbian parallel those people who say they are addicted to food. Both claim that they are not in control of this, and that the alternative isn't available to them. We as a species do not have the same craving for food as our appetite for sex, therefor when we give in to our sexual temptation, we tend to tell ourselves it's natural...those addicted to food STILL get criticized for being fat. WE NEED TO FIGHT FOR GLUTTON RIGHTS! People should be able to eat as little or as much as they feel like. Sure we'll have a nation of fat-assed lazy people, but I can garuntee that a nation that fullfills it's every sexual desire would be a LOT less healthy.Quote:
Originally Posted by MudFu
Think about it from this light: It is usually only those who are huge food addicts, or those who are starving that dream and think about food...likewise our addiction (and I do believe we're now addicted) to sex is due to our feeding the appetite. Those who are sexually deprived, or those who are sexually gluttonist (if you'll allow the word) are in the same state of sexual craving. It's because our nation glorifies sex so much that we feel we should keep pushing the envelope. The more we bend the rules, the more we wish them to be bent. Right now we bend the natural rules of procreation by allowing same sex lifestyle into our culture, but next comes animals, and then trees, and then rocks, or worse.
Don't get me wrong, I believe in being tolerant of gay people. I never pass judgement on one because they could just as easily turn around and say something about my flawed life style as well.
Sure, asshole, people just wake up one day and "i'd like to get beaten for no other reason than I like people of my own sex, I like to go through periods of painful identity crises, I choose to be gay because it spices up life!"
Christianity has demonized any sex whatsoever since the very beginning. Why? There is no point to it at all. All it leads to is nothingness. Preach on all you like, but to live a totally sin-free life one should never have any sex at all, even if it's for procreation.
Christianity preaches the end of life, it preaches nothingness, ultimate nihilism. It preaches that our life is bad, and the only good Christian is a dead one (so he can be closer to God, of course...). Fuck that. I believe in life, I believe in the here and now. There is something inherently wrong with a religion that says that death is better than life.
god expects EVERYONE to love him...but it says in the bible that being gay is a sin...well GOD, you CANT jus be gay any time you want, its not something you choose. gay people are BORN gay. if you discriminate your own creation. you dont deserve to be a god! u SUCK
u will never get my love. cunt
I believe you have a very mis-informed picture of what christianity actually preaches as opposed to what people say it preaches.Quote:
Originally Posted by F L E S H
A gay person makes their own choices, and that's the way it is. I liken it to fat people who make the decision to eat too much of the wrong food and get made fun of for being fat, EVEN if they're born with obtuse appetites, or of fat parents...it all boils down to that choice of deciding what you want rather than giving in to whatever wants you.
Christianity clearly states that sex is a gift for two people to share who are already united (by marriage) under God, which is why marriage is a religious invention (and no other religion seems to hold it to such an importance as christianity). The REASON that all other sex is concidered "evil" (by evil I mean sinful) is because of the intention that goes behind it. Believe me, we weren't given a sex drive so that we could blow off steam every time we wanted...just like we are given a stomach, mouth, taste, and digestion, but that doesn't mean food is simply "here to be eaten"
I have to use the parallel between our appetite for food, and for sex because they are just too similar...the urge/cravings/self-esteem that are involved in both.
Firstly, people are born asexual...secondly you would have no argument that people are born gay save the testimony of a handfull of gay people ("every man's actions are innocent to him" anyway).Quote:
Originally Posted by StOneD.aS.FuK
So, seeing as babies have NO sex drive (baby boys and girls are almost the same for the first few years) that dismissed any claim that people are BORN gay.
Secondly, we humans have no actual sense of perfection, therefor we don't see our own actions as anything so bad. I won't get too into this, but there is not ONE rule or law in the bible that wouldn't benifit humanity if it were followed...not one, and you can try me. That's not to say at first glance that some might seem odd to us, but keep in mind that absolute good would seem very strange to us
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Originally Posted by Pyramidsonmars
of coarse babies are not born sexualy active, just like no one is born able to speak. or walk. thats no excuse saying they will not be gay in the future.