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all of that talk about outting a COVERT agent, treason, and all the rest were bogus. hahaha. what happened to all that. FUCK LIBBY, fire his ass, who cares. :pimp:
hahaha, and they still have to convict him? what a case that is.i was hoping for something much more exciting than this, i mean seriously, in one day 47 Clinton advisors were indicted. what a sleeper.
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/10/28/D8DH5FOG0.html
just sit still honey. this is just the tip of the iceberg.
damn shamsterdam slow down on the kool-aid, I know how much u like these criminals so keep ur pants on..
It's good to shake things up every once in a while. It will be interesting to see how this plays out and how far it reaches.
i think this will be it...they cant indict the real criminals, the whole house of cards will come falling down...(ie 9/11...)
i think this has all been a distraction, they won't go after the real criminals or crimes...
yup it is all but a distraction for the sheepple, maybe now israel can force the u.s. to attack iran & syria... Criminals all of them
hahahaha, Libby? Please.
that case is over and it hasnt even started yet, the trial will be a great sourse of information, i cant wait.
It's just to bad Lewis's last name isnt Berger.
oh well.
man im with you,if they can prove that Libby did it on purpose, Libby should go to jail for the 30 years no questions asked.Quote:
Originally Posted by eg420ne
But all that hype in the MSM for what?? Libby? obstuction of justice? good lord thats nothing,you know that. and on top of that, proving it in court before a jury of 12 people will be EXTREMELY difficult!!
I know egghead wanted rove, but he is to smart for these pee-ons. :dance:
you dont fuck with former direct marketers( if you even know what that is)
amsterdam did u even hear or read Patrick Fritzerald explaining it, or did u just parrot the right-wing talking points, just asking, im sure u can find it on the net.
He's gonna sing like a canary. No way he's gonna do time, he'll give up The Dick.
i did watch and i must say i was quite impressed with the guy.
I do think the charges are very weak, and wont hold up. I hope he excepts a plea and takes his fine. Who knows or cares. This story will be over by Monday. Supreme court pick will overshadow this in HURRY.
In the end, all Fitzgerald accused Libby of was lying about his conversations with reporters, not outting a spy. Very weak.
Very weak indead, 30 years worth of weak. Do you understand how federal time works? You have to do 85%, minus any good time lost for DRs, that means 25years, 6 months before he's eligable for parol. This case is gonna be tryed in DC, in front of a mostly black, all democrat jury. they'll convict him just for being a rich white man, same as he'd convict them for being a poor black man. One way or the other, he's gonna squeal like a pig.
I don't think Libby will sell out Dick Cheney, and he's the main person who could be hurt by a sell-out. They have been together since they worked together in the DOD under the first President Bush. I think he has tremendous loyalty to Cheney.
I see three options as possibilities....
1)A trial which could go either way, but no matter what the outcome, it damages the administration for a long time in terms of people feeling uncomfortable that they may be subpoened or included in ongoing investigations.
2)A plea bargain to a lighter sentence, but this is unlikely. I think Libby is a fighter and will not want to admit failure. Also, the prosecutor would be blasted publicly from both sides of the aisle for spending millions of dollars and then settling for less than a trial. It would be called a witch hunt instead of a prosecution.
3)Consider this.........a total pardon by President Bush before a trial could begin under the guise of saying it's in the best interest of national security and defense to not have our top secrets regarding entering the war made public. It could happen.
Onward!
He will plea bargain for sure, no doubt. you'll see.
Bush is no Clinton and he wont issue 150 pardons before he leaves office.
This story will be back page news next week. Even me, a republican was a little disappointed with the sleeper of an indictment.
All he is accused of is lying to a reporter,WOW, you mean to tell me it took 30 million dollars and 2 years for that?super duper!!
Look back at the past....ALL presidents use pardons right before they leave. His dad did, Reagan did, Carter did.......it's not a bad thing. It's been going on for years. I guess they all felt it was okay after Ford pardoned Nixon.Quote:
Originally Posted by amsterdam
As for the lying..he was actually charged with lying to the grand jury, not to reporters. I don't think he was lying to the reporters really, just leading them in the direction he wanted to them to go.
With this logic, all you could say Clinton is guilty of is bad aim, not lying in a deposition.
Onward!
hahaha,good one on the clinton zinger.
I know they all pardon people, however they all consult with the Justice Department before they do it. Clinton did not and pardoned people like Marc Rich and a bunch of people serving time for being the clintons fall guys in their numerous financial crimes.
I think you give past presidents a bit too much credit and perhaps Clinton too little credit. I don't think he was any less ethical than past presidents. Just had REALLY bad taste in women and very poor morals. But as for the pardoning thing, he was right up there with the rest, at least since the mid-70's.Quote:
Originally Posted by amsterdam
Onward!
I dont hate the guy, i just think he is super rich white trash.
and as a republican i will say that i am praying Hillary runs, that will be soooooooooooooo fun.
lol...........yeah, it would be interesting for sure. How fun would this be......Newt Gingrich vs. Hillary Clinton. Man, that would make all the talking heads on CNN, FOX, and all the rest DROOL over the political war.Quote:
Originally Posted by amsterdam
As a flaming independent, I would love to see a GOOD candidate for once in the past fifteen years. From any party. Unfortunately, I don't see one on the horizon.
Onward!
I like rudy, and my dream candidate would be Condi Rice.
How awesome would it be to be the new guy in the Federal Pen & be like, "Yo wus up, My homies call me Scooter. That's how I roll!"
That guys ass will be a pin cushion.
HAHAHAHA, ouch.
Federal Prisons arent too bad, some have golf courses and olympic size swimming pools.
as you can see dirtyhippy, your a day late and a dollar short.
the indictment is lame,2 years and 30 million dollars for that.
if convicted he should go to prison for sure as he should.
but what about all those treason charges,outting a non-covert agent.
Even i was disappointed,the big fish got away
now on to the supreme court!
He will no dought be pardoned, if it comes to that. IMO, the pardon should be removed from the presidents powers. It serves only to protect the guilty from their crimes. I realize that would require an amendment to the constitution, but WTF, they propose an amendment for every fucking thing, why not something useful?
I heard that the judge in libbys arragnment is reggie walton, who was appointed by Bush. The law is on libby side dont u think.
Of course it is. But, (and I know this from personal experience) when you look at that piece of paper that says "The United States Of America Vs. your fucking name" he won't feel like the law is on his side. I don't scare real easy, but when you read those words, you are lucky if you manage not to piss your pants. I managed it, I wonder if "scooter" is made of as strong of stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by eg420ne
wierd how the amendment process is never used to bring about change isnt it? Ya know, like the right to privacy and abortion? Abortion was put into the right to privacy because activist judges knew it would never pass the amendment process in this country. 9 unelected officials making laws for this country.scary!!
or maybe because abortion deals w/ the handling of one's own body, as opposed to the state regulating what you can or can't do w/ your body....Quote:
Originally Posted by amsterdam
y'know, as in "it's a private matter"?
private,, absolutely. covered by the constitution under the right to privacy? Nope.
the right to privacy covers illegal search and seizure and related matters, not abortion.
I personally find abortion to be abhorrent, but I don't think anyone should have the right to force their moral or religious views on any other person. Thus, I sadly agree that the woman in question should ultimately have the right to make that choice. However, I do see a problem with using taxpayer money to finance such procedures unless the life of the woman is in danger, or there are serious extenuating circustances such as incest or rape.Quote:
Originally Posted by amsterdam
One thing I have always struggled with....how is abortion a right to privacy? I have never understood how it got linked in that category. I understand and agree with the rights of citizens to make choices that affect their lives without governmental interference. But I've never seen that as "privacy", merely the rights of citizenship.
Onward!
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Originally Posted by onwardthroughthefog
It isnt covered under the right to privacy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That was done because liberal judges KNEW they could never legalize abortion throught amendment process in this country. :mad:
Scooter to plead not guilty today.
What a boring story this turned out to be. And its already back page news. Gotta love that MSM.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051103/pl_nm/bush_leak_dc