its not right.

somethings wrong, i dont think i can sleep tonight.
I just cant understand it, ive found a question that should have an answer but il never put it to rest, a fucking splinter in the back of my mind. itll always be there.

I have a mate, well kind of my best mate, hes 15 but a year ago he used to be into cutting his arms and stuff and he was proud that marilyn manson was his idol. He has this video on his phone, of this russian soldier getting his head cut off with a knife, i mean sawn off. And its fucking disgusting, i wish id never seen it. Hes kept it on his phone for maybe half a year, and when we get high n shit he always fucking watches it.

I cant take just listening to it, the guy screaming as his head is held down. And hes tried to explain why he lieks this shit to so many people but i just cant fucking understand it, I dont want to believe the only conclusions i have. Why watch it if it doesnt make you feel any better about life? He says its fucking interesting, i dont want to know any of this. I mean he also has porn on his phone etc. I just dont get it, it must mean that he would like to see people die, horrificly in real life. What else is there, it cant be that He DOESNT want to see people die slowly, or why would he have it. but Ive been told that it isnt that he wants people to die, or hed be a murderer??

OH i could ramble on im soz, my mind is really fucked about this, i just dont feel right. How can I let this kind of person mean so much to me. What IS this kind of person?? How can you be a marley fan and encourage death to the degree he does.

Any thoughts?

hey man,

the situation you are in does not sound like an easy one. If you said that he cuts his wrists, then be a friend, get him some help. Some people are gonna say that this is wrong, but be a fucking snitch. Maybe tell his parents or someone like that, you would know better than myself. This person sounds extremely disturbed, get him the help he needs, be a friend.

nah he did like a year ago he gave that up. He got his neck pierced the other day. soz random info

im like that only i hate manson and cutting is for emo fags.

Look in your mirrow, can you stop him yourself? You should try! He is your "freind" right? ;)
You don`t have to be a snitch to help a freind man. If thats what it takes, thats your decision. Sorry teens! :eek:
If anyone can help anybody without the involving the "law" so be it! Ha Ha Ha. :eek:

that's fucked up I don't get bothered by people dying but i also don't enjoy it either i'm neither like "OMG That's terrible *sob* *sob*" or "THat's fucking awesome saweet!" yea I hope you're friend out grows this but if not then well I don't know any other way too put this he's a fucking psycho.

Yall are ignorant.
its his choice if he wants to see that. not yours.

idk wat to say about him liking to watch it, but if he plays it around u tell him to stop, and if he doesnt, then tell him the next time he tries to show it to u, or plays it around you and you can hear it, u will break his phone.

thats what i would do....maybe give him a number to a therapist or some shit

I think that if he can prove that he would never do that to another person then it's cool and I don't know the guy but if you feel that he needs help more then you can do you need to step in and do what you think will fix it before he ends up in jail for the rest of his life cuz he killed someone.

Maybe he's just fascinated with death. I don't see how it's any different from watching a horror movie (my favorite genre). Is the guy twisted? Is he weird? Antisocial? If you don't want to see his clip, just let him know. Unless it's seriously affecting his personality and his morality, I wouldn't pay any attention to it. We all have our quirks.

Ask him why he thinks its cool. People like that often cant distinguish between reality and fantasy, and probably would not think death is so interesting if they saw it in real life. Show him pictures of little kids who are dying of hunger or everyday people living in war zones, or tell him about little girls getting raped and left in the woods to die and and see is he finds that fascinating. If he doesnt, ask him to explain why he thinks thats not funny but a soldier getting his head sewn off is.

i agree with nickx750 - it's his own thing, and you should have him not bring it around you.

and he probably does have a fascination with death, there are a lot of people that are interested too. i mean, it's not just psychos looking at faces of death. it's something so emotional, so brutal, so awful, and maybe he gets something from it to some degree. but anyway, that's how 15 year old boys are, they just like that shit. he should be fine.

Right.

I've never seen that video, but it's pretty much infamous all over the world, and as a result i've discussed it with quite a few people recently, including a couple of people here at Cann.com

I'd never watch it. It would sicken and upset me, and I would gain nothing positive from the experience. I can possibly, maybe, kinda see how it would fascinate some people. To use Az as an example, he's watched it because death fascinates him.. but I think he said that, even though he's seen alot of that kind of stuff, he's only watched that particular video once because of the sheer brutality of it.

It's not really anything like watching a horror movie. A horror movie is something designed to scare us with the knowledge that at the end of the day the actors and actresses got up, take off their make up, and go home. A video of a real life murder is completely different. Fascinating to watch once or twice, perhaps, though I don't see it myself. But in my opinion there is something wrong with getting high and constantly watching a man having his head hacked off. It's the most perverse form of vouyerism I can imagine.

I'm sorry to say that about your friend, but I really disagree with that kind of thing, for obvious reasons. It can bring no good to the world, and I think that only a mentally subnormal person could get any pleasure from it.

pain body - there is something in your friend that gets validation from watching this video.. there is a part of his identity his ego that needs to be fed, and it gets it from this video... without it he would need it from somewhere else..

people keep parts of there identity alive no matter how painful it is.. cause nobody wants to LOOSE a piece of WHO THEY ARE..

ahhahah LOL.... the funny part is, they are not THAT which is being fed... if they let it go.. they could become who they are.. effortlessly..

you get upset when somebody cuts you off on the highway.. cause your identity sees that as an oppurtuntity to flare up... to stake claim.. I AM IN THE RIGHT.. "you have no right to drive your car in front of me..."

and if somebody didn't cut you off.. your identity would find another reason to STAKE its CLAIM... I AM ANGRY cause the weather man said rain and I wore pants and now it is sunny!!!!!! I AM ANGRY!!!!! I AM SOMEBODY! I am an ANGRY SOMEBODY! !

ahaha


and now you KNOW

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i agree with nickx750 - it's his own thing, and you should have him not bring it around you.

and he probably does have a fascination with death, there are a lot of people that are interested too. i mean, it's not just psychos looking at faces of death. it's something so emotional, so brutal, so awful, and maybe he gets something from it to some degree. but anyway, that's how 15 year old boys are, they just like that shit. he should be fine.

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nickx760

haha

One fascination does not demean his character. Look at other points of his character.

I have this friend whose always talking about killing people but I've learned that he's all talk and doesn't have the balls to kill anyone and he tends to harm himself more then others. he tries to be bad ass but you know that's he's mostly talk. don't get me wrong he's cool but yea he would never kill anyone.

edit: only you know his true character so you need to determine if he just likes the idea or watching it or if he'd actually do something. (I feel like smokey bear)

Scare the shit out of him. Make a creative anonymous phone call. Think of something. Scare him. Hold a knife to his throat while he's sleeping. Make him wonder what that guy was thinking as his head was being cut off. Tell him he's a fucknut and that he doesn't deserve an amenity like video-playback.

Okay, so you need to sleep. Try listening to the TV. My Mom used to tell me that and it worked.

Nick Berg? Saw it. Screams kinda made me wanna vomit. God, the screams... :(

Oh and the decapitation? Violent... but that's not the thing. It's the screaming.

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It's not really anything like watching a horror movie.

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I don't see how it isn't. They are both death, they are both gore, they are both brutality. The only difference is that one is real, the other isn't. Same things on the screen, right? Ever seen Cannibal Holocaust?

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I'm sorry to say that about your friend, but I really disagree with that kind of thing, for obvious reasons. It can bring no good to the world, and I think that only a mentally subnormal person could get any pleasure from it.

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Well, the reasons aren't very obvious to me, as I disagree.

Is this a question of morals? Regardless of whether or not this kid has a screw loose, an affinity for violence is NOT necessarily an indicator of low or questionable values. Is this a question of this individual's sanity? You know how many people have said the same thing about marijuana? It makes you crazy! Only a... mentally subnormal person would use it! This is the same kind of thing you see on the news about people raising and raising the age prerequisite for playing a violent video game.

I'm not saying he isn't a nutcase, but I *am* saying that we shouldn't jump to conclusions based solely on the fact that the kid enjoys a violent clip.

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Scare the shit out of him. Make a creative anonymous phone call. Think of something. Scare him. Hold a knife to his throat while he's sleeping. Make him wonder what that guy was thinking as his head was being cut off. Tell him he's a fucknut and that he doesn't deserve an amenity like video-playback.

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That's the worst advice i've ever heard... Hold a knife to his throat while he's sleeping? Are you fucking retarted? All that's going to do is make him call the cops and you get a ticket for attempted battery and assault or some dumb shit like that... the scaring him idea... not such a bad idea. Just don't have yourself hold a fucking knife to his throat...

My Advice: Let him know how you feel... if he still brings that shit around you, stop hanging out with him. Simple as that.

Yeah that would disturb me too I imagine, but its his choice. I'd be real pissed about him watching it around me though.

I still say you should use the knife, thread strater.

Well i've watched a number of videos like that, i mean they are intresting in a way but it's not like i'd watch them more then once.

well thanks guys, i did sleep btw.

I enjoy horror movies, Because we like to feel a scare, or we like to laugh at how ridiculous it is. I dont find either of these reasons in watchin this guy getting his neck slowly sawed through, Its not funny. Its not scary. Its a feeling beyond. and personally it sticks with me past any horror movie.

Its true. Its the screaming. And how eventually the more blood bubbles out the more blurred the screaming becomes until its over.

thats gross

lateralus,

You say the reasons for my disagreeing with the decapitation of man, the recording of it, and then the free distribution of the video aren't obvious? You mean you don't see why I think it's wrong for anyone and everyone to have access to something like that?

It's not a case of morals. Morally I feel it is wrong, but that's why I personally don't watch it.

It's not a case of sanity, either. I do strongly feel that for a person to take any kind of pleasure from seeing a man get his head hacked off then they must have something wrong with them. I do genuinely believe that. There is no normal reason for a person to want to watch that over and over, to enjoy watching that over and over. How can you defend that? How can you honestly say that is normal behaviour? It is just plain wrong.

Horror movies are a completely different matter. You said that "The only difference is that one is real, the other isn't.". I agree. There is a huge difference between wanting to be frightened by watching a movie. It is enjoyable simply as a social occasion, if not as anything else. So many people can watch horror movies because we know it's not real. (i'm talking about Hollywood horrors here, you know the kind..) Again there isa huge difference between being frightened by what we know to be fictional events and getting pleasure from watching a man having his head hacked off.

I haven't seen Cannibal Holocaust, and I don't plan to. Horror movies aren't my thing, personally.

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yeah, my memory isn't the best of things

Ghost, I suggest you watch Cannibal Holocaust.

Ignoramousnes person.

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Nick Berg? Saw it. Screams kinda made me wanna vomit. God, the screams...

Oh and the decapitation? Violent... but that's not the thing. It's the screaming.

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the nick berg video was edited and fake in a sense.he was already dead when they decapitated him.if he was alive when they decapitated him,blood would have sprayed outta his corpse at least 2 meters high.this is a proven medical fact,look it up.

as for ya friend,he's just seeking attention.he'll outgrow it soon.

OK, ive read almost everyones post about this subject. I myself havnt seen the russian soldier getting decapetated, but i have seen the terrorist videos. Very brutal. But nobody here that has not seen the video him/herself will be able to understand or, even comprehend why it is intersting to the kid.
It is very brutal, i started watching the Nick Berg one and stopped it b4 it got to the beheading because i knew exactly what was going to happen. But i got up the nerve with my uh, oh, nephew thats 11/12, forgot which one, and watched a few of them. Not the nick berg one though, just ones of them where they were beheading other Iraqis (bad spelling i think).
Well, the brutality of it is pretty mind racking. The blood spraying everywhere, and they do not scream when it happens, because they are cutting through the neck, you hear a kind of moaning sound for a second then it stops. But to me it was interesting. Not the bllood, not the gore, not the death of someone. Its not really why they do it, we know why, but its the HOW. How the fuck can someone actually grab a knife and saw at another human beings neck, while blood is spraying everywhere? It is insane? HOW the fuck could someone get interested in doing that? Its mindboggling (<lol).
So, yes, i can understand why he might think that is interesting. But he just might think its interesting that someone is dying and the brutality of it. Thats sick. But there isnt much you can do about it. Just ask why he likes it or if he likes it, and stuff like that. thats it......

tell your freind hes scaring you and you dont like to be around him when he acts like that.

That excuse is lame. Why would you watch something like that just so you can say "How can they do that?". You already know they do it, and watching the video isn't exactly going to clarfiy anything. But fuck it, whatever.

I think the primary difference between watching horror movies and real ones is that you KNOW you're watching a real person suffer. no matter how much you suspend reality and get scared watching dawn of the dead or whatever's popular (horror's aren't my thing, so I don't know), you still know deep down everybody's going to be ok. actually knowing the person I just saw get killed actaully had to suffer that, makes quite the difference to me.


as for your friend, my only theory is that it creates a blanket of security for him . I mean think about it, what better way to shield yourself from fear and vulnerability, than to descencitize yourself to that which instills those feelings more than anything?

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That excuse is lame. Why would you watch something like that just so you can say "How can they do that?". You already know they do it, and watching the video isn't exactly going to clarfiy anything. But fuck it, whatever.

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Judging from lardman's post, can we safely assume he is mentally subnormal, though?

You mention some good points, as you are undoubtedly an intelligent and moral person, and perhaps horror movies are a bad analogy. However, I'm going to reiterate the point of my original post: we cannot jump to conclusions from a single clip. Things aren't so black and white.. there exists that proverbial gray area. Life, social interaction, the human brain.. all very complex things which are composed of and influenced by limitless variables. I believe that it is incorrect to assume so much from so little. That's all. :)

And I defend this sort of behavior because I'm sure that all of us have been undeservedly stigmatized at one or another point in our lives. True, it can bring nothing positive to the world, (Well, even that is debatable. And no, I'm not talking about the viewer senselessly murdering people. Heh.) but at the same time, it needs to be considered what harm it could bring us. I believe that an individual's capability to cause harm is within himself.

you might want to explain that behavior is straight up creepy and disturbing to friends. Imagine what strangers would think....
I'm a stranger and I am really shaken by the level of detachment you would have to feel to watch a real life horrific murder over and over again. I would be scared of such a person, if they could watch something that horrible and feel nothing but fascination to the point of obsession.
yeah I guess I am one of those pussies who cries over violence, but I cry because it is horrible to die that way and I feel so sorry for him. No one should die like that. I read the story but I can't watch the video. I won't.
Maybe he thinks it is cool to be graveyard creepy, but he has passed over into ted bundy land. Chicks will overlook a lot of things, but I don't think this skin crawling little quirk is going to land him any punani, any sympathy any friends or lead to any good.

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you might want to explain that behavior is straight up creepy and disturbing to friends. Imagine what strangers would think....
I'm a stranger and I am really shaken by the level of detachment you would have to feel to watch a real life horrific murder over and over again. I would be scared of such a person, if they could watch something that horrible and feel nothing but fascination to the point of obsession.
yeah I guess I am one of those pussies who cries over violence, but I cry because it is horrible to die that way and I feel so sorry for him. No one should die like that. I read the story but I can't watch the video. I won't.
Maybe he thinks it is cool to be graveyard creepy, but he has passed over into ted bundy land. Chicks will overlook a lot of things, but I don't think this skin crawling little quirk is going to land him any punani, any sympathy any friends or lead to any good.

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Scarlett in all reality, you wouldn't be a pussy for being upset by that. Personally I don't understand why people think they somehow understand death better because they watch horrible things like that. I think that kind of thing is pretty stupid myself, honestly people need to see a shrink if they find that kind of thing interesting. But oh well.

Yeah on another note, I thought Cannibal Holocaust was nothing but a gratuitious piece of crap, but thats just me.