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And eight more U.S. soldiers died today.
....stupid bush
I was at mom's house awhile back(before we entered Iraq to find WMD, restore order, establish democracy, remove an evil dictator, finish this war for those who have died fighting it, etc., etc., blah, blah, blah {and to track down Bin Laden and bring him to justice(remember Bin Laden? Wait! That's Afghanistan!)}) going through some old pictures and things. I found a newspaper from 1968. In this newspaer from 1968 was the daily stories of death and defeat in Viet Nam. There was a picture of a young sargeant looking dirty and tired and emotionally shattered on the front page, rifle in hand. Anyhow, the picture and article brought back a flood of memories from 68. The music, revolution in the air, the the drugs, etc.
What I'm trying to say is...even though the atmosphere of revolution isn't present now, and the music has turned to rage, you should take a few of your newspapers and put them away somewhere. Someday, you'll take them out and have a look...maybe show them to your kid.
Just a thought or two.
:)
This war is starting to have so many similarities with Vietnam.. It won't be long before people stop asking for the war to end and start demanding. But what does Bush or his administration care? He's out of the White House pretty soon, anyway.. Whoever takes his place can clear up the mess.
What do you think the chances are of a Democratic president next election? I'm not in the US, but whatever America do can help or hinder the rest of the world, so it's good to have someone we can all trust, you know?
What amazes me is that the damning evidence of severe corruption and self gain put forward in Farenheit 911, seem to have been forgotten. Hoe the fuck did he get voted in again- that worries me! I live in the UK and our troops are still dying out there too, supposedly in the name of peace and democracy.Quote:
But what does Bush or his administration care? He's out of the White House pretty soon, anyway.. Whoever takes his place can clear up the mess.
It seems to me that its all about the oil fields and it has uncomfortable undertones of a religious crusade. The trouble is that we cant in all good conscience, just pull out now. its all fucked.
right. im off to roll now. peace (whatever that means!)
Ghostoker
go crawl under the stone you emerged from.
Yawn.
Republicrat, Democan, it doesn't matter who's in the White House, really. After all, Kerry wasn't exactly calling for an end to the war. The real drivers of foreign policy aren't the politicians, but rather the demands of capitalism. As long as capitalism exists, there will be war.Quote:
Originally Posted by GHoSToKeR
Iran and Syria are next.
I thought you were gonna have a different point than that, RoadKing, LOL.
The War is over. The problem is that George Bush never had a "backout" plan. I heard, last night, to plan on Our soldiers being there for the next ten years, on CBS World News: Up To The Minute.
It is so sad that knowledge is buried so deep. The sad thing is that the "blah, blah" is the "blah, Blah" and the real reason behind any government military action is always financial. Therefore the reasons are still valid when you remove the veils that you use to protect yourself from feeling like hypocritical asswipes for enduring a tyrannical government.
The only reason for the long term planned take over of the Middle East oil fields is the belief in moral superiority and the unwillingness to share wealth with the "heathens". Simply put some time ago to me by the British elite think tanks, "It is a matter of oil. We want their oil. We do want to pay for it. We do not want to pay the present regime because we think they will use the money to beat us up and throw nukes at us. So we will take over their country, install someone we can trust to pay our money to, like ourselves maybe, and then everything will be fine. Yes we know we are hypocrites because the Catholics were beasts in the past, but we have changed they have not."
It was with this, about a month ago, I came crying here depressed. I am still writing the article. But the idea is Iran; this was about Iran, not Iraq. Iraq is already done. The reason they want to keep the troops there is the sweep through the oil fields they "stole" from the corporations in the 50's. Iran is next, and then to the next bad boy NK. In their eyes, only they have the authority from God to hold the bomb, and no one else has the morals to hold that button. They will use it against anyone who says different!
Is this not enough to be depressed? Do you wonder why I steep myself in THC?
Art, this is gonna sound extremely childish, but, here ya' go:Quote:
Originally Posted by ArtRollins
This situation could be easily avoided if (England) grew marijuana plants to barter with the Arab "Oil" Nations, then just traded Life for Earth.
Makes so much sense to me. Why can't people get paid money for conversation, as they speak of in The Celestine Prophecy? Why can't we let go of money, and share Our World? Nothing makes sense to me.
Since when was the war over? Less people died in the first year of the war than in the last. People are still dying every day. How is it in any way over?
Anyone read Orwell's "1984" yet?
I've read "1984" but I have to say i hate bush with a passion i hope some one fires a grenade launcher up his ass.
I am voting for whatever commie liberal runs for office. I voted for kerry, I thought he was more human than bush. I think it is ok to not want to go to war, I would draft dodge too if I was in the firing line. Rather have him than daddy's little frat boy, but votes don't fucking count anymore. I want to move to canada.
It is not George alone; he is just the personification of the problem. The problem is the manifest rulers who have perpetrated the fraud (a la 1984) for the last 1000+ years. And to go on to pander to BeachGuy;
Cannabis could probably save the world. As you probably know from reading Jack Herer, and if not from reading it, certainly smoking it would do the same. But regardless, the oils, solvents, foodstuffs, papers, fabrics etc could save us from the loss of oil based alternative that were foisted on us since it became illegal, BUT, the problem is ultimate power, ultimate ownership of all property still remains in the elite ruling class, your kings, bankers and rulers. They determine the outcome regardless of what you think your vote is. This was what they read to me, and it is how life moves on.
If you put all the evil asswads doing stuff in the world and call him George Bush, then they get away with everything as you put the grenade up GWs bung hole. The idea is George is only a pawn in the game, we want them all. We want the land back. We want our freedom back.
Yea and it's kind of depressing if you look at the world realistically even if more and more countries decriminalize marijauana there's still along way until we get freedom again.
You said it. So sad. Why do Americans have to move? Sucks. Look at what you are saying man. You voted for Kerry. You KNOW you voted for the better of two evils and somehow we brothers have allowed you to think that was okay. I am here to tell you that voting for the better of two evils means you voted for evil! Aint no two ways about it. THAT is why our place sucks.Quote:
Originally Posted by ScarlettCrush
We cant just run from our own country, we cant seem to get representation there so soon we will just have to take it back from the enemy within.
The closest thing coming to anything these days to action is the 911truth.org movement. We are doing things with them at OnlineTV and I write about them too. They have enough to do something. What? Who knows. To me, other than a real revolution there is nothing but the continued slavery of "liberal democracy" when I want my "free Republic" back. Get rid of "rule of law" and give me back my "inalienable rights" let me own land and real money, Repudiate all debt. Bastards Killed Kenny!
I want to move because I don't like how this government is running the country. Social security can't be garountee'd to anyone born past 1950, yet they are still charging it, still giving it to hoardes of people who have not paid into the system at all, and a whole bunch of useless people who just don't want to work. Don't you know someone who is scamming the system, or know someone who knows someone who is related too someone who is getting checks for lying effectively to noncaring government workers. I also know people who genuinely need help that don't qualify because they aren't a minority and have a job.
(I have first hand experience with this, my pro-rated based on income mental health fee is $100 a visit, 50$ for meds and two visits a month required...I can't afford to be normal)
I look around and it seems like the government is trying for a nation of ignorant outlaws. So many laws every day and new ones being passed all the time. Using law to dictate morality, all this fucking corruption and not listening to people who actually live here. I'm tired of it.
They want family values but pay you to have children and just give you more money for every child you have. It's like the more irresponsible and shitty you are the more the government will cover your ass and support you. So these women have more kids to make more money and those kids learn that the government will take care of you and you don't have to actually do anything, at least for a while, and maybe never if you can lie good enough. Then those kids have kids and they have more than middle class families have, because the government will give them more money for more kids and generations of families with many children live off the system. Now you know they aren't being taught good morals and values by parents who scam the system or have kids to get money and stuff, and these people have more kids than most it is not odd to see them with 3-4 kids, all about 4 years apart so the welfare wouldn't cut off. The only other people who can afford to have that many kids are the very wealthy.
So the middle class is being bred out.
There will be lots of rich spoiled kids getting everything, and a fuckload of criminals and hustlers around to take my middle class stuff I work my ass off to get.
yes I want the fuck out.
Amen sister.
I too want to leave. Been around too long and seen everything go downhill.
I also have had my experience with the system and it's like "sink or swim" every man and woman for themselves. If you have problems, well, sorry.
We spend billions on war and we don't take care of our own.
There is the way it should be and the way it is, and the way it is it should not be.
Way back when I was a high school student, I had a history teacher who also collected coins. He made an interesting observation-- as far as he could tell, no government had lasted more than 50 years (and most were far less) after debasing their smallest coin. The US debased the penny in 1982. We are about due for a revolution. Ready for it? :eek:
yeah europe's the opposite of that statement (more or less), but its running into trouble due to its generous welfare state, for as the population ages we cant afford the tax needed to provide every last person with education and medicare. i study this kind of shit in uni, and it looks like we're gonna have to start following the american system to a certain degree, which will be shit. for decades we enjoyed a standard of living like no other, but its going to change eventually if our economies wish to remain competitive...(ah well it was good while it lasted).Quote:
Originally Posted by motahead
Yeah, except the combat fatalities in Iraq are lower than peacetime casualties state side...Quote:
Originally Posted by beachguy in thongs
You are correctQuote:
Originally Posted by Buck268
Todays dead 2079. I am greatly saddened for their loss of life far from the homeland and ideals of American.
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/casualty.pdf
http://cryptome.net/dead/dead-gallery.htm
Check out their pictures, these are friends of ours. They went for bullshit and died for oil. No WMD, no Osama, no 911, just oil. Overthrew a government peremtive for no valid reason. Oh we owe those widows some due, and we owe our boys for putting them in harms way for bullshit and fraud.
We owe them and our children freedom and liberty from fraud, lies and corporate governance. Tell your corporate government to become a representative Republic.
poor soliders, i bet you most of them have no idea how they got there. fucked up place thats about it... bouth arguments on the right wing side are pritty vapid, if they have wmds then the united states needs to invade them right? what about the WMDs the usa has? what about england? and every one else with the nuke, bio warfare, air warfare, new war machines every thing? fucken strange if you ask me, they want some countrys to put down there weapons and they wont do it them selfs... the population of the united states is not a target, why does it matter that they defend the rest of the world agaist its self. i guess the hole idea of international war excapes me :D. how do we get from saying my gods better than your god to... your a vilont people so we the more civilized folks now have to break your head in? or even the curent problem.. you have an expendable and explotable resorce, so we will distroy your country, cluster bomb your citys and all that jazz so we can save 30 cents, oh wait we now controll all the oil Sooo lets up the price 60cents. If any one asks its those dam insurgents who are targeting solders and not the oil they care little about. the oil has no idologic difrence, its just oil, but these people forced to police the ocupied streets are more open to debate, even though they come from our poorest and least privlaged most crapped on group. dam those iraqys for being scared, dam them for not having any WMDs, and Dam them for resisting this ocupication.
if you know any one in the millitary urge them to through down there weapons and refuse to fight a court marshal is better than killing any one. I dont know who would fight if no one wanted to fight.
One HUGE difference between the war in Iraq and the Vietnam War....there is no draft as of this time. One of the big reasons folks from the 60's and early 70's were up in arms, protesting, and raising hell was that rich kids who had powerful parents in government or big business could hide their own kids from the draft by getting them exemptions and placed in the national guard. That KEPT them from being sent to war. Now the reservists go to war INSTEAD of the regular army in many cases.Quote:
Originally Posted by GHoSToKeR
But the fact is that every single person fighting in Iraq, Afghnanistan, and any place in the world CHOSE to join the military. Most joined AFTER 9-11, so they knew the risks involved.
Kids my age back during the Vietnam War had no choice whatsoever whether or not they joined. Oh, they could burn their draft card and risk being put in prison. Or they could flee the country and be labeled draft dodgers and cowards the rest of their lives, possibly never being allowed to reenter the country. But realistically, most kids knew that when that invitation from LBJ and Nixon came in the mail, inviting them to join in the fun of Southeast Asia......they were going to go.
So while the media likes to hype the Iraq War as comparable to Vietnam, it is very different. Yes, we're very bogged down there and likely will be for many years to come. But we don't see tens of thousands of unwilling soldiers being forced to go fight like we did 30 years ago.
One last thought....if you think you can trust ANY politician, you are very naiive. ANYBODY who gets powerful enough to be elected president has so many skeletons in his/her closet and owes so many people for putting them in that position that the job cannot be obtained without corruption.
George Washington was correct, in my opinion. Political parties will be a major cause of the downfall of our republic.
Onward!
Hey onwardthroughthefog,
Haven't seen you post in a while.. Did you disappear or have I just not seen you? Hmm, anyway..
You're right, the are alot of differences between this war and Vietnam, but there are also a large number of similarities, i'm sure you'd agree and i'm sure you know what those similarities are.
I don't really trust any politician. In the past i've gone so far as to say that all politicians are crooked or corrupt, but of course this isn't the case; there are many politicians who truely do want to make a difference, but when put in a position of power they have to submit to the system we have established, and this is what inevitably leads to corruption and the like.
We've all heard the expression 'the lesser of two evils'. However cliche and over used that expression may be I feel that, in this case, it is extremely pertinent. Though each political party in the US (and in the UK, though we have more than two parties to choose from) is doubt as much a bad choice as the other, I think that there would still be benifits to choosing one over the other. I tend to ignore the policies of most parties because they have ideas, ideas, ideas, but putting those ideas into practice is, more often than not, impracticle and some might may impossible. But regarding issues such as drug legislation - an apt example, since it is something we all care about - choosing one party over the other could make a huge difference.
With the war on Iraq, even if a more liberal party were put into power, your troops would still not be immediately withdrawn - it's not like the new president could wave a magic wand and make Iraq okay again. It would still be a long, drawn out process (though i'm sure any liberal administration would hurry the process along much faster than the Bush administration is willing to). But when it comes to something like Cannabis I feel that, if a Republican were in the White House again after Bush, we would be taking another step backwards.
I might sound neive by saying that I would vote for a party simply based on their stance on issues such as drug reform but I feel that, in the system we are currently a slave to, no party can make much of a difference anywhere else, or at least nowhere that truely matters.
-GHoST-
Ghost, I'd do the same. I'd, actually, register if there was a pro-marijuana candidate on the ballot. I just want society to fall on its ass and see what a fool it has been. I want all the bigwigs to eat their conservative crust stains off of their underwear. Anyone who won't listen to the proof these "angellic" scientists have uncovered deserve to be put in jail, I don't give a shit what kind of life they lead. I've encountered many ignorant and arrogant people who say that they will delete e-mails that will prove them wrong because they don't care, and they say they don't care. But they will still place me in the lowest category of life by saying that I'm a druggie.
I am no druggie.
I don't even take aspirin, because of the side effects.
edit: I am angry. Sorry.
Cannabis is a drug and I smoke Cannabis. So, by definition, I am a druggie.
What needs to change is the idea that there is something wrong with taking drugs. Sure, I think that taking drugs to supress emotions and feelings is wrong, but to enhance them? How can that ever be anything other than good? :)
What needs to change is the idea that marijuana is a drug.
It's an herb. Eurythomyacin is a drug.
That's what I feel.
edit: Instinctually, we all want drugs. But, it's the herb, we all, instinctually, want.
The first definition is always the old definition.
drug? yeah but what is the problem? the drug is there so what? people are more of a problem than drugs, how many pot smokers cut away the things people need to live? what smoker tokes and shots at people. if they did its not because there high and they dont know any better its that there idots and they do know better!!! drugs have nothing to do with any thing... but people like an excuse for all there probelms and wont face that some of the problems are there own.
excerpt...
"One day I went out with the ARVN (army of the republic of vietnam) on an operation in the rice paddies above Vinh Long, forty terrified Vietnamese troops and five Americans, all packed into three Hueys that dropped us up to our hips in paddy muck. I had never been in a rice paddy before. We spread out and moved toward the marshy swale that led to the jungle. We were still twenty feet from the first cover, a low paddy wall, when we took fire from the treeline. It was probably the working half of a crossfire that had somehow gone wrong. It caught one of the ARVN in the head, and he dropped back into the water and disappeared. We made it to the wall with two casualties. There was no way of stopping their fire, no room to send in a flanking party, so gunships were called and we crouched behind the wall and waited. There was a lot of fire coming from the trees, but we were all right as long as we kept down. And I was thinking, Oh man, so this is a rice paddy, yes, wow! when I suddenly heard an electric guitar shooting right up in my ear and a mean, rapturous black voice singing, coaxing, "Now c'mon baby, stop actin' so crazy," and when I got it all together I turned to see a grinning black corporal hunched over a cassette recorder. "Might's well," he said. "we ain' goin' nowhere till them gunships come."
That's the story of the first time I ever heard Jimi Hendrix, but in a war where a lot of people talked about Aretha's "Satisfaction" the way other people speak of Brahms' Fourth, it was more than a story; it was Credentials. "Say, that Jimi Hendrix is my main man," someone would say. "He has definitely got his shit together!" Hendrix had once been in the 101st Airborne, and the Airborne in Vietnam was full of wiggy-brilliant spades like him, really mean and really good, guys who always took care of you when things got bad. That music meant a lot to them. I never once heard it played over the Armed Forces Radio Network."
- Michael Herr
Illumination Rounds...1969
cool story....
A drug is any substance that can be used to modify a chemical process or processes in the body, for example to treat an illness, relieve a symptom, enhance a performance or ability, or to alter states of mind. The word "drug" is etymologically derived from the Dutch/Low German word "droog", which means "dry", since in the past, most drugs were dried plant parts.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug
Beachguy, you have to realise that Marijuana is a drug. You also have to realise that not all drugs are bad, and that calling it a drug is not a derogatory term or a negative label to use. Most people don't get through the day without ingesting some form of drug.
If we keep arguing that MJ isn't a drug then we'll just be proven wrong over and over. But if we admit that it is a drug (which most of us do) but that that has no bearing on the real argument, then maybe people would listen a bit more?
drug (drg)
n.
1.
a. A substance used in the diagnosis, treatment, or prevention of a disease or as a component of a medication.
b. Such a substance as recognized or defined by the U.S. Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act.
2. A chemical substance, such as a narcotic or hallucinogen, that affects the central nervous system, causing changes in behavior and often addiction.
3. Obsolete A chemical or dye.
tr.v. drugged, drug·ging, drugs
1. To administer a drug to.
2. To poison or mix (food or drink) with a drug.
3. To stupefy or dull with or as if with a drug: drugged with sleep.
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Cannabis is a plant
plant may be a manufacturing facility. This article is about the living things.
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Plants are a major group of living things (about 300,000 species), including familiar organisms such as trees, flowers, herbs, and ferns. Aristotle divided all living things between plants, which generally do not move or have sensory organs, and animals.
Genus (plural genera) is a grouping in the classification of living organisms having one or more related and morphologically similar species. In the common binomial nomenclature, the name of an organism is composed of two parts: its genus (always capitalized) and a species modifier. An example is Homo sapiens, the name for the human species which belongs to the genus Homo. See scientific classification for more details of this system.
From a different piece of literature:
The heart of the book is divided into specific chapters that discuss all of the major drugs of abuse: tobacco/nicotine, opioids, CNS depressants (alcohol, barbiturates, benzodiazepines, solvents, inhalants), marijuana, and CNS stimulants (cocaine, amphetamines). Of interest, there is an entire chapter dedicated to "club drugs," namely, gamma hydroxybutyrate, 3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine (Ecstasy), and ketamine.
Separating CNS depressants, Stimulants, and Marijuana.
LITERATURE OF MEDICINE
Reviews, Notes, and Listings
A Handbook on Drug and Alcohol Abuse: The Biomedical Aspects
15 March 1993 | Volume 118 Issue 6 | Page 478
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A Handbook on Drug and Alcohol Abuse: The Biomedical Aspects.
Gail Winger, Frederick G. Hofmann, and James H. Woods. 219 pages. New York: Oxford University Press; 1992. $49.95.
Social, pharmacologic, medical, and legal topics relevant to the abuse of tobacco and nicotine, the opioids, central nervous system depressants (alcohol, barbiturates, benzodiazepine, volatile solvents), hallucinogens, marijuana, and central nervous system stimulants (amphetamines, caffeine, cocaine). The last three chapters cover medical diagnosis of abuse, management, and legal controls. A well-written, highly readable, adequately documented survey of these widespread problems.
Again, seperating CNS Stimulants/Depressants and Marijuana.
Let's look at the definition again.
drug (drg)
n.
1.
a. A substance used in the diagnosis, treatment, or prevention of a disease or as a component of a medication.
b. Such a substance as recognized or defined by the U.S. Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act.
2. A chemical substance, such as a narcotic or hallucinogen, that affects the central nervous system, causing changes in behavior and often addiction.
3. Obsolete A chemical or dye.
tr.v. drugged, drug·ging, drugs
1. To administer a drug to.
2. To poison or mix (food or drink) with a drug.
3. To stupefy or dull with or as if with a drug: drugged with sleep.
Marijuana's a cure.
Marijuana is recognized as an illegal intoxicant.
The definition of Cannabis is above.
And this last one is not what Marijuana does. It doesn't affect your CNS.
2. A chemical substance, such as a narcotic or hallucinogen, that affects the central nervous system, causing changes in behavior and often addiction.
Prove me wrong!!! Time and Time again.
You're never gonna get anywhere without proving shit, and nothing you said proved anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by GHoSToKeR Beachguy, you have to realise that Marijuana [i
Marijuan is still a drug, no matter what you say. It alters your state of mind, can relieves symptons of all sorts of things, and some would agree that in enhances certain abilities. It is a drug. Get over it.