http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...823334,00.html
I gotta say,this is a pretty bold move that will be met with great anger by the religon of peace.The Dutch are smart.
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...823334,00.html
I gotta say,this is a pretty bold move that will be met with great anger by the religon of peace.The Dutch are smart.
I'm glad to see that they're banning it. Hopefully, other countires will follow suit. Nobody feels comfortable when they see that outfit. Let the women stay home if they don't like the law.
What a huge setback for civil liberties. Fuck the Dutch. They're slowly but surely following in the right wing foot steps of America. I dont understand how banning women and girls from wearing burkas is a safety measure. If a terrorist want to strike, he'll try to strike no matter what the laws about burkas are. Why doesnt the right wing government stop tiptoeing around what they really want, and just order a mass deportation of all Arabs.
Ok. So what outfits please the general public should be the question. Well I'm Indian, and white people dont feel that comfortable seeing saris. Oh, and all those goth kids, yeah, I dont feel comfortable seeing them, so lets make another law for them too. Yeah, and ban kimonos too because I'm sure white people will stare if you wear one of those to the grocery store.Quote:
Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat
People should be able to wear whatever the fuck they want. I dont see how how a women covering her entire body is offensive to you.
I find it amusing that such a redundant move could actually be seen as increasing safety,
We have a long way to go.
You "don't understand"? Well, let me tell you why it's not safe to allow people to cover their faces with black rags: BECAUSE THEY CAN COMMIT CRIMES AND GET AWAY WITH IT! Would a white man be allowed to wear an executioners' hood in public? You can bet they wouldn't get halfway down the street before getting arrested, or worse. These women, or anybody else, should not be allowed to do it, either. Unfortunately, the U.S. will probably continue to allow it for a long time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojavpa
Many Moslem societies have banned the Burka over the centuries - it's NOT part of their "religion".
We love "diversity", but we are not about to let these people destroy our homeland with their insane beliefs.
Your homeland has plenty of insane beliefs on its own without the help of Arabs.
When women wear Burka, their eyesQuote:
Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat
are still exposed. According to your logic, anyone in the cold climate of Amsterdam who wears a scarve and hat and coat should be arrested, because their face is still covered. (I dont know about you, but when its really cold, almost my entire body is covered.) And the government only bans headscarves at football games, so in my opinion they should just include burkas in that existing law if they're that paranoid. Why single out moslem women?
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Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat
freedom of speech and expression...only if you agree with it i suppose...
i dont feel comfortable seeing drunk southerners walk around with a confederate flag on their t-shirts but thats MY problem.
but you're right...let them stay home. they dont wish to be like you, so they must be scum.
freedom-hater.
and who the fuck are you to judge what's insane or not? just because your country has more money than most other countries? just what gives YOu the right to judge what is right to wear or not to wear? seriously, just who the fuck are you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat
looks like you guys are going to be walking around naked (for public safety of course) wearing helmuts.
you could be hiding something in your pockets or under your dresses, that could harm the owners.
can't be having that now
buy the way, i heard that white guys aren't allowed to wear masks in public.
not that long ago i was surrounded by a bunch of black masked white guys in public and they wanted to take all my money, all my pot, break up my house, fuck my dog, and then make me get on the ground so they could jump on me handcuff me and take me to jail.
guess i could of had them arrested?
Good pointQuote:
Originally Posted by hempity
not really funny, i still can't find a helmet to fit, i was going to shave my head and paint it or tatoo a nice helmet on it but then the lice would have been homeless.
I doubt this has anything to do with hiding bombs ect. what it is, the govt. wants a means of identifying people, thats what all those camera's are out in public, are for, although the pretence is for the public's safety, like they say it's not a war on drug's it's a war on personal freedom.
I mean I can wear a full length london fog raincoat and carry as many bombs as I like.
You guys can curse and scream all you want, but logic and reason will prevail in the end - or we're all fucked.
Since many of them are foul, I'd actually prefer it if MORE of them wore the black rag-veils over their faces - but safety from terrorism is more important than masking unattractiveness. As we used to say in Brooklyn, "If I had a dog that looked like that, I'd shave it's ass and make it walk backwards". :cool:
But now, there is the new reality of female Chechen suicide bombers.
First seen during last year's Moscow theatre siege, they have conducted a number of bloody attacks in the subsequent months.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3052934.stm
There is a definate need for this! PROVEN!!!
looks like you are fucked anywayQuote:
Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat
i think you will look cute in a helmet and butt plug, that would be so you can't hide anything up there either
say you didn't say anything about your white guys wearing hoods either, maybe you really told me, by putting me on ignore
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...823334,00.html
I would advise anybody that is casually scanning these posts to skip the sick replies and read the article that started this thread (above). The REAL "freedom-haters" are the Islamists, and they are NOT going to win a war against Western Civilization anytime soon. This is clearly evident when the Netherlands, probably the most liberal country in the world, is taking preventative measures against terrorism and other violent extremism. We love freedom, and their religion mandates the destruction of it. We will prevail, and whatever steps must be taken to assure this will hopefully be realized very soon.
i think my replies are fun, and yours are not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat
i think western civilization is a virus, it sure brought disease and sickness to the red man, i don't think the black man fared any better when you drug his family over here.
true freedom scares every one of you i have talked to, it means responsibility for actions which none of you will take.
it is your terror that plagues you, i don't have any, you can't give it to me, hell i scare you, if you ever saw me in person, you would faint.
you will prevail how, by hiring more thugs to run around to make sure butt plugs are firmly implanted and everyone has their papers in order?
[QUOTE=hempity]i think my replies are fun, and yours are not. i think western civilization is a virus, it sure brought disease and sickness to the red man, i don't think the black man fared any better when you drug his family over here. true freedom scares every one of you i have talked to, it means responsibility for actions which none of you will take. it is your terror that plagues you, i don't have any, you can't give it to me, hell i scare you, if you ever saw me in person, you would faint. you will prevail how, by hiring more thugs to run around to make sure butt plugs are firmly implanted and everyone has their papers in order?[/QUOTE]
I take it that you think you??re big, bad and ugly? Why do you think that I would ??faint? if I saw you? A large number of my fellow Brooklynites, some of them very tough people, fled Brooklyn, in the 1970??s and 80??s, to escape the crime. I stayed, and things eventually got better, as they will continue to do in the rest of the country. If you think that you present more of a potential threat than the people and situations I??ve encountered, you are sadly mistaken. I grew up here, and have the scars to prove it. Your jailhouse convict humor is disgusting, and you might be also, but for me to "faint" because of these things? I don't think so, lol.
[QUOTE=Breukelen advocaat]Quote:
Originally Posted by hempity
boy that's all you picked up from my post?
there is something really amiss in your head, afraid of being afraid or what.
i was in bed sty in the 70's was leaving for a farm in new hampshire and asked a friend if they wanted to visit me the farmhouse had lots of rooms, they said no, they told me that they didn't have a gun and new hampshire was the woods.
so sad
the only things in the woods to be afraid of are the murderers that come from the city pretending to hunt.
by the way i was born ugly and big i am not however bad.
maybe you would not faint, but your heart would jump and your pulse would race and you would be looking for an exit.
But i thought the Dutch were such a nice, progressive, tolerant people.lol. guess not.
they are also rounding up people who call for destruction of their country and sending them home. Fuck,what a smart,bold move.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,172228,00.html
"In the Netherlands, school officials once forbade students from wearing burqa, arguing that non-verbal communication is required to teach the syllabus.
A court in New Zealand ruled that women cannot wear a burqa while providing courtroom testimony. To compromise, the Islamic Women's Council endorsed a policy that allowed Muslim women to be hidden from public view by a screen.
In Italy, hiding one's face while in public has been forbidden since 1975. An anti-terrorism law passed in 2005 imposes increased fines and prison sentences for violators of the law. Some believe that lawmakers specifically intended this clause to prevent women from wearing burqas."
If I saw a woman wearing that, Id think "damn.. shes really into her religion" (yes, you dumb fuck it is part of the religion. Some cultures interperet whether or not it is necessary differently.) Just like in catholicism, using any form of birth control, including condoms, is forbidden. But who all does that?? But I defenitely wouldnt think terrorist. Who gives a shit about their faces, its not like if they WERE a terrorist, that any local police would recognize them among the sea of other faces on crowded streets.
i wonder how that would fly in the U.S. with the ACLU around?
the ACLU dosent even want kids to play dodgeball in school because it promotes racist feelings????hahahaha.
I actually agree with banning burqas, as ong as we also ban all signs of religion. Religion is a cancer on society, and we'll never be free unitl it is eradicated. So crosses in public, burqas, hijabs, yamikahs, and whatever is an outward sign of religious belief should be banned.
i guess the thought of walking around naked with butt plugs (two plugs for girls) appeals to you, no worries, my whole family walked around and swam naked.Quote:
Originally Posted by F L E S H
i agree that religion has caused most of the death and destruction on the planet, but do you really want to give this kind of power to the government?, i guess you really don't have a choice.
you are only giving in to fear, there are no terrorist, it is all in your mind.
after they are done with fixing the clothing problem they can start on the thinking problem, they already know our minds can be a weapon against them, guess they will have to disarm us there also.
someday you are going to have to explain to your children how you destroyed their world and allowed the government to invade their lives so fully
This has nothing to do with terrorism, conservatism, or christian fundamentalism. I think it's a horrible practice, maybe just a notch better than female circumcision. The goal is to liberate women from the tyranny of religion, at least in Europe and North America. We don't have the right to tell other governments what to do, like in the Middle East, but at least we can help those who came here.Quote:
Originally Posted by hempity
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Originally Posted by F L E S H
the burka is not just a religious item it is a way to dress to be protected from harsh elements, to ban it because you think it is a horrible practice is a bit scary, you might think eating frog is horrible, and then where would all the frenchmen get the spring in their step.
how can you have freedom of religion in one hand, and then tell it, or set limitations on it in the other?
yeah, there's a reason we have the 1st amendment...for the time being...it's in the process of being shit-canned...
1st ammendment doesnt protect Burkas, look at the Case in Florida where the woman screamed freedom of religion because she couldnt wear it on her Drivers License, saying it was part of her religion. Too bad she lost the case in Florida Supreme Court, since it was found that SAUDI ARABIA allows woman to take picture id's with the burka off.
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Originally Posted by pisshead
i just figured out what your name means, it means phd right? i have always wondered how you said those three letters together, when i said they were puds, every body told me no, that's not how you say it.
now i can call all my phd friends pissheads, they will get it right away, took me a while.
Dodgeball in school, in the 60's in Brooklyn, was dangerous for my wife and other girls. She was petite, and certain stronger girls would throw that ball at her pretty viciously.Quote:
Originally Posted by amsterdam
Bullies always get their comeuppance, eventually, and I'm sure those girls did.
The ACLU, in this case, was right.
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Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat
pansies
To be honest, I had no idea what the "burka" is (<- should that be was? I'm no good with tense) until i checked the link... And now that i know... I don't care.
Yeah, and so are the people that complain about "police brutality", discrimination, housing, etc., lol! What goes around, comes around.Quote:
Originally Posted by nicholasstanko
what the hell is wrong with you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat
you like those brutal ARMED thugs?
you think they are going to protect you, you are up for a big disillusionment, the first time you do something the bullies with badges don't like, and i don't even feel sorry for you, but boy it's gonna hurt, they learn pain hold techniques that will leave you a whimpering pile of shit. (lol) better get ready, i am sure they will get to your house before the "terrorist" do.
I was just making a point that Nick's dismissing of the abuses and racial antagonisms of some youth, against others, does not take into consideration that this is one of the reasons why their behavior comes back to haunt them later on.Quote:
Originally Posted by hempity
People that have been injured (I??m not talking about the police), physically and otherwise (and I HAVE been in both respects), are far more likely to strike back. If somebody targets me, in the streets or wherever, they ALWAYS back off when they see my expression and/or body language - not to mention the things that I say, lol. Sorry, but that's the way I survived here. When you tell somebody that you will kill them, and they know that you mean it, these cowards will back off ?? even if they are bigger, armed with a weapon (not a gun), etc. That??s survival in the streets, and if our leaders understood this, we??d have far less to worry about. Unfortunately, they don??t know how to handle terrorists, and the do-gooders would rather we all die than protect ourselves. I learned a long time ago that cowards, which all predators are, do not go after crazy people.
You are kidding yourself if you think that by removing the police we would be safer. This is absurd.
If you could be a little more specific as to the circumstances of the police injuring you, maybe it would make more sense ?? because some of us have not had this experience. I??m not saying it didn??t happen, but we don??t know what your experience was. I??ve gotten ticketed a few times for smoking in the wrong place, and spoken to nastily, but that??s about it.
I have had a lot more trouble with people than cops, and I think that many would say the same. Some people actually deserve what they get, but you don??t seem to think that justice ever prevails. Well, I've accepted the fact that it doesn't always happen, there are some bad people everywhere and always will be, and try to work around it. Sorry for your problem, whatever it was. I've been badly hurt also. As the old military saying goes, "That which does not kill you, makes you stronger".