Jesus was a fraud

heres my theory the romans paid joseph and mary to committ a huge fraud. the romans were sick and tired of the fanatical jews as it led to unrest among the people. there are tell-tell sign that this is the truth, ::

1. when people were crucified there hands were always tied never nailed to a cross, you cartilage in your hands just simply would not hold your weight. they did this to fullfill the phophecy's.

2. In the old testament it says god never changes, jesus did a complete 180 and taught a passive not an eye for an eye doctrine.

3. obviously in the old testament god is full of vengence this was not jesus.


Anyway you get the point. christianity fits into the western culture perfectly thats why it was adopted, it is nothing more then the roman government in a different form. and when ever the west seeks you destroy another nation they always attempt to convert as many as possible to christianity to make them passive, this is not natural and it isnt nature and it isnt god.

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Originally Posted by seedbare

heres my theory the romans paid joseph and mary to committ a huge fraud. the romans were sick and tired of the fanatical jews as it led to unrest among the people. there are tell-tell sign that this is the truth, ::

1. when people were crucified there hands were always tied never nailed to a cross, you cartilage in your hands just simply would not hold your weight. they did this to fullfill the phophecy's.

2. In the old testament it says god never changes, jesus did a complete 180 and taught a passive not an eye for an eye doctrine.

3. obviously in the old testament god is full of vengence this was not jesus.


Anyway you get the point. christianity fits into the western culture perfectly thats why it was adopted, it is nothing more then the roman government in a different form. and when ever the west seeks you destroy another nation they always attempt to convert as many as possible to christianity to make them passive, this is not natural and it isnt nature and it isnt god.

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interesting thought, because governments have had a lot of control, but there are a lot of factors you're leaving out. like the fact that you sound more ridiculous than the people you're trying to prove fallible. at least they have some records of the culture that explains the difference in the writings, (also the fact that jesus came and the people he talked to were the outsiders, so that's why he was preaching something new and different, like all prophets do) and they have united and tried to learn more and more about it. anyway, you want to make a point? start a group and disprove the existence of jesus with your god-damn roman conspiracy theory, i'm sure you'll get a lot of followers. hell, you could even start a cult and commit mass suicide, or not, whatever you want.

1. you're right in saying that they were always tied, but they were nailed as well in some cases. for some reason, most modern depictions of jesus dont show the ropes, but they were undoubtedly there
2. most christians would tell you that the new testament would take precedence over the old, although i think this is a bit fishy as well
3. see no. 2

what you suggest is possible, but i dont think the romans knew or cared enough about judaism to try to introduce a messiah figure into the picture. chances are that mary and joseph were just smart people who wanted the notoriety of having the messiah as their kid and trained him how to act.

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Originally Posted by MyAntiDrugIsAmy

interesting thought, because governments have had a lot of control, but there are a lot of factors you're leaving out. like the fact that you sound more ridiculous than the people you're trying to prove fallible. at least they have some records of the culture that explains the difference in the writings, (also the fact that jesus came and the people he talked to were the outsiders, so that's why he was preaching something new and different, like all prophets do) and they have united and tried to learn more and more about it. anyway, you want to make a point? start a group and disprove the existence of jesus with your god-damn roman conspiracy theory, i'm sure you'll get a lot of followers. hell, you could even start a cult and commit mass suicide, or not, whatever you want.

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Actually your post adds some interesting points, jesus tried to convert the outsiders yes thats true, the idea was to convert the jews but this did not work out, the jews and romans had a slave and master type of arrangement the jews were the outsiders, why would you try to control the ruling class? they have no problems with them. Also jesus was taught by the magi these people were very skilled magicians that the romans had jesus (purposed)sent off to and had taught him to be a magician as well.

the outsiders weren't just the jews. i meant the outsiders not as in jews, i meant outsiders to religion, like the pimps and whores, the drunks, and the other people that the jews and romans disassociated. i mean, yes it was for jews, because that was to fulfill a prophecy and some believed and some didn't, but i dunno, even if it was the government controlling the people, jesus brought love and acceptance to these outsiders. and i don't believe it was so much a slave and master arrangement although the romans were a ruling power.

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Originally Posted by MyAntiDrugIsAmy

the outsiders weren't just the jews. i meant the outsiders not as in jews, i meant outsiders to religion, like the pimps and whores, the drunks, and the other people that the jews and romans disassociated. i mean, yes it was for jews, because that was to fulfill a prophecy and some believed and some didn't, but i dunno, even if it was the government controlling the people, jesus brought love and acceptance to these outsiders. and i don't believe it was so much a slave and master arrangement although the romans were a ruling power.

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yeah but even jesus refered to those people as dogs. so that wasent really the population he was after he was bigoted against them really. What I think the real reason was is a seperate religion for the working and poor class, the original old testament brought anarchy because of its views about right and wrong and revenge, and the govt. cannot exist with that righteous attitude so they give us this watered down turn the other cheek religion of the poor people. most senators and i believe all presidents are members of a different religion called the masons.

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Originally Posted by seedbare

1. when people were crucified there hands were always tied never nailed to a cross, you cartilage in your hands just simply would not hold your weight. they did this to fullfill the phophecy's.

2. In the old testament it says god never changes, jesus did a complete 180 and taught a passive not an eye for an eye doctrine.

3. obviously in the old testament god is full of vengence this was not jesus.


and when ever the west seeks you destroy another nation they always attempt to convert as many as possible to christianity to make them passive, this is not natural and it isnt nature and it isnt god.

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Ok, the last entry in the Old Testament was written over 400 year B.C. by Malachi. Others in the Old Testament, include, Leviticus, Ezra, Nehemiah and Ezekiel.

The New Testament was writeen by Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Peter and others.

I don't see the connection.


1. when people were crucified there hands were always tied never nailed to a cross, you cartilage in your hands just simply would not hold your weight. they did this to fullfill the phophecy's.

The cruelty of replacing rope with hammer and nails.

Did you know that Jesus wasn't even born Jesus Christ?

That's why I've heard.

Oh, and one more thing Seedbare.

Jesus was nailed to the cross through his wrists.

first of all it would help to know if your male or female,and as in most all your other posts I find them funny but they absolutely do not make sence, your reasoning seems totally flawed in my estimation, or its possible that your above me intellectually and im just not getting it. please explain why something written before and as the foundation of belief in god is any less valid then something written after....

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Originally Posted by beachguy in thongs

Ok, the last entry in the Old Testament was written over 400 year B.C. by Malachi. Others in the Old Testament, include, Leviticus, Ezra, Nehemiah and Ezekiel.

The New Testament was writeen by Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Peter and others.

I don't see the connection.


1. when people were crucified there hands were always tied never nailed to a cross, you cartilage in your hands just simply would not hold your weight. they did this to fullfill the phophecy's.

The cruelty of replacing rope with hammer and nails.

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I was pointing how that The Bible is a compilation of stories written, almost, 1500 years apart, by different personalities and ethnic origins. Different perspectives.

Yeah, it shares Jesus Christ's views and opinions, as well as quoting him, but The Bible would be different had Jesus Christ written it, himself. Many stoner's would, probably, enjoy it more than "The Emperors New Clothes". Jesus Christ had no time to put out a novel, especially with the dwindling publishing industry of the first millenium.

When Jesus Christ was nailed to the cross, through is arms (not hands), it was the cruelty the Heathens, of the first century, needed to show its people their power.

1 thing- I used to be 125-miles-from-the-cape-codguy, but now I'm beachguy.

Keep your theories coming, Seedbare, they are interesting whether you, yourself, are a guy or a girl.

satan has blinded u little demon

Oh no its Satan run everybody run (throws hands up in air waving them like olive oil in the old popeye cartoons).....

I love replies like rldgaz put. I laugh so hard when I read that stuff....(pssst christians according to your own dogma , heaven is already full and you couldnt get in anyway with all the catch 22's .....so were ALL going ;), if of course there was any way shape or form hell was true and not just a made up control to make people feel better about bad people getting away with things "don't worry god will judge them...." that stuff makes me howl ;) ).

In the absence of evidence ignorance holds court among the fear addled masses.....

This website explaines with historical, and scientific facts that Jesus never existed...

Jesus Never Existed ~ Jesus - My imaginairy friend

Well u should believe in satan our leaders sure do. They give him/her praise everyday..

So If jesus was a fraud, Then why do we date/time from the birth/death of jesus. So he must of lived sometime 2 get people 2 date r calendars after him. I mean it may have took 100s of year to do it that way, but somewhere there was a strong belief of jesus to have every nation & people (still today) run there life around the birth/death of this guy name jesus The only people I know of that dont run there lives around the birth/death of jesus are the some of the arab nation, but they talk about jesus living 2 . Maybe a group/secret society invented this jesus back 2000yrs ago to control you sheepple out there. Either way that got us 2 run our lives around the date of jesus death, so that right there is a very good trick, is'it not.

Who knows what the heck Jesus was? The only real evidence we have of his existence is some ancient book, and frankly I'm not going to jump to any conclusions based on an old collection of parables and myths. Whatever he was, we can be certain that if the Bible is anything to go by, he was a false prophet. The Bible shows in many parts that Jesus clearly predicted the end of the world sometime within the lifetimes of the people he was speaking with. So, he was either nuts, lying, nonexistent, or just well-intentioned but delusional. However I couldn't tell you which.

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Originally Posted by ermitonto

Who knows what the heck Jesus was? The only real evidence we have of his existence is some ancient book, and frankly I'm not going to jump to any conclusions based on an old collection of parables and myths. Whatever he was, we can be certain that if the Bible is anything to go by, he was a false prophet. The Bible shows in many parts that Jesus clearly predicted the end of the world sometime within the lifetimes of the people he was speaking with. So, he was either nuts, lying, nonexistent, or just well-intentioned but delusional. However I couldn't tell you which.

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(Predicted the end of the world sometime within the lifetimes of the people he was speaking with)I just read that part in matt.24 and 2 me it sounds like He was speaking of future generation.. But whos does know, everything we have been told about our history could be/is just one big ass lie. If Everyone smoked pot then peace will come 2 the world :D

There are many things in there to suggest that it could not possibly be referring to a future generation. Among the most obvious is the part where Jesus says "I tell you in solemn truth that the present generation will certainly not pass away without all these things having first taken place."
http://www.jcnot4me.com/Items/theolo...e_by_verse.htm

okay, The temple that jesus was talking about was burnt down by the romans sometime after his death in the year between 63-73, Im 2 stone right now 2 finish reading that website.

For as important as a figure as "Jesus" was, you would think that someone, somewhere would know unequevically where his body was buried. If that is so, why not exume the body and run a DNA test. I would be willing to bet, the science community could tell us who his Father & Mother were. Including their blood types.
Oh no, couldn't do that! That might show everyone that he was a Fraud afterall!

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Originally Posted by montagraph

For as important as a figure as "Jesus" was, you would think that someone, somewhere would know unequevically where his body was buried. If that is so, why not exume the body and run a DNA test. I would be willing to bet, the science community could tell us who his Father & Mother were. Including their blood types.
Oh no, couldn't do that! That might show everyone that he was a Fraud afterall!

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Well, LOL, From the understanding I know about this jesus u speak about is that Whoever or whatever God it was, that brought jesus back to heaven or wherever,took him in body and soul, so there is no grave, beside the one where he was resurrected from days later..

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Originally Posted by montagraph

For as important as a figure as "Jesus" was, you would think that someone, somewhere would know unequevically where his body was buried. If that is so, why not exume the body and run a DNA test. I would be willing to bet, the science community could tell us who his Father & Mother were. Including their blood types.
Oh no, couldn't do that! That might show everyone that he was a Fraud afterall!

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You didn't figure it out? The whole point of Christianity is that Jesus dies, resurrected and ascended into heaven. Now, don't you think that his apostles, wanting to convince as many people as possible, got rid of Jesus' body to show that it wasn't there, and therefore resurrected?

Oldest trick in the book... :D

Yeah its not like several religions beforehand had done supposedly exactly what Jesus had as well (in their mythology's of course ;) ).

I still say though flesh the oldest (and best trick) in the book is how to sell your daughter for thirty pieces of silver to her own rapist.....(thats sarcasm of course thats an awful thing anyone who might think im serious.....of course apparently its allowed in christianity :rolleyes:)

Even if jesus was a fraud and this is just a theory, it would fit in with the old testament phrophecies of an anti-christ coming first and getting the whole world ,and if it were possible even the elect (the jews) into worshipping him as god. and I think it's very interesting that the bible spells out that the elect wont be decieved by him, and what do we have today? the jews (the elect) indeed believe jesus was the false phrophet.

I wonder who the next person, we'll be pointlessly debating about in 2,000 years, is?

In 2000 years, we'll be arguing with followers of such institutions as the Holy Sisterhood of Neo-Oprahism and the Roman Catholo-Scientological Church

So Neo-Oprahism is gonna become a sexist religion and the Pope is gonna be Stephen Hawking's great-great-great Grandson.

'the holy grail was a wooden bong. the elixir of life was weed tea. and moses didnt talk to god, he just thought he did when he was on some funky mushrooms he found on the ground and ate cuz hes a jew.' <-- my buddy

so everyone who eats a mushroom, according to your buddy, is a jew...

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Originally Posted by seedbare

1. when people were crucified there hands were always tied never nailed to a cross, you cartilage in your hands just simply would not hold your weight. they did this to fullfill the phophecy's.

2. In the old testament it says god never changes, jesus did a complete 180 and taught a passive not an eye for an eye doctrine.

3. obviously in the old testament god is full of vengence this was not jesus.

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1. In some cases ppl were crucified by hammering stakes thur there wrists; which will hold your body weight. and again by there ankles, not thru the feet as most ppl believe.

2. God was not Jeues, he was his "father". They were 2 intirly different ppl.

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Originally Posted by beachguy in thongs

Oh, and one more thing Seedbare.

Jesus was nailed to the cross through his wrists.

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Regardless of whether jesus was the son of God, or even a real person, this is how cruxifiction was done. Also, the cross looked like a capital "T" Which make perfect sense, that way the nails holding it together need only keep it from moving, as opposed to bearing weight. And the ankles were nailed sideways, not through the foot. Also, when possible, the person way simply nailed to a tree. Saved alot of work.

jesus was a real person. He wasn't born Jesus Christ.

http://media.putfile.com/familyguymagictrick

says it all

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Originally Posted by andruejaysin

Regardless of whether jesus was the son of God, or even a real person, this is how cruxifiction was done. Also, the cross looked like a capital "T" Which make perfect sense, that way the nails holding it together need only keep it from moving, as opposed to bearing weight. And the ankles were nailed sideways, not through the foot. Also, when possible, the person way simply nailed to a tree. Saved alot of work.

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that doesn't denounce shit. they just adopted the cross as a lower cased "t" because it was more neutral because it was in relation to the pagan culture of the people they were living amongst. and no, they weren't about hating pagans or exclusivness. but anyway, the cross represents way more than it being the actual cross that he was crucified on, but more the fact that the person the religion sees as a prophet and God's son is the one who was crucified in the name of his followers of a religion based on love and compassion for others. but religion can never stay as intended because of man...

I'm pretty sure the crosses were like lower-case t's because Romans used to nail signs above a criminal's head to tell everyone what the guy did. That's why, as legend has it, Jesus' cross carried the sing INRI (or actually JNRJ) meaning Iesus Nazarethi Rex Iudaeorum, or Jesus of Nazareth King of Jews.

As for using nails, it was probably more for pain and visual effect than for actual support of body weight.