If you believed they put a man on the moon, a man on the moon...

Just found this.. Don't know what to make of it, of course. I was just wondering what you guys thought? (You'll have to actually click the thumbnail and possibly zoom in so you can read the text).

Oh and please, I don't want replies saying how the government would never do a thing like that, or slagging of conspiracy theories or any of that shit. I just wanna know what you guys think of what the text in this image points out....

weird huh

Interesting...

Cheers GHoSToKeR.

Peace

Buddy

I've heard that it was all a lie, also. That's why I believe our grandparents were the first human beings to walk the Earth. Well, not really.

I'm not a total disbeliever in all things conspiracy (for instance the official stories on JFK and 9/11 just don't add up), but I think it's safe to say this one has been pretty thoroughly debunked.

Also, if you look closely at the shadow in the first picture that looks like it's coming from the flag, it doesn't actually meet up with the base of the flag so it must be caused by something off the edge of the picture.

http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/f....html#parallel
http://www.apollo-hoax.me.uk/strangeshadows.html

The thing that got me was the No starts Bit..
interesting GHoSToKeR..

read what ermitonto posted before you're so quick to believe the moon conspiracy, and i'm a huge conspiracy guy too, but i think we went to the moon.

Im not saying either way Because Im a stupid Aussy who dosent care to know enough about the moon landing (Basicly because i couldnt give a fuck).

LOL

Thanks for the links, ermitonto. This isn't a subject I know or even care much about, and I also believe that they went to the moon. If not then it was one hell of a prank. But I just saw this and thought somebody might be interested in the subject. It's interesting to think that there's even the slightest possibility that something so monumental in our history could never have happened. :)

Like 9/11, yeah "terrorists" did it.

Yup, 19 Muslim terrorists did 9/11, knowing perfectly well the chaos Bush would bring to the Muslim world. And of course it is just a coincidence that the chief of the ISI (the Pakistani intelligence service) was meeting with the heads of the House and Senate Intelligence Committees in Washington, D.C on September 11, just months after he wired $100,000 to Mohammed Atta. And it's also just a coincidence that the 9/11 Comission report never followed this very promising lead, and actually declared that it is of little consequence (!!!) where the money to fund the attacks came from.

Oh Lucy! You Gotta Lotta 'Splainin To Do!

LOL!! Sorry Ghosty,.. gotta ask ya,.. do you have "FAITH" we landed on the moon? Just had to!! Kuu

those fuckers

LOL Kuu.. I dunno how to answer that! :p ;)

the flag had a bar along the top toi keep it errect,i have a larger version of all of those pictures,my grandfather was in the air force at the time and got some origanal copys(as in they weren't made last year in some factory in china)the one i'm looking at right now is the one with irwin,next to the flag saluteing it,you can clearly see the frame of the flag,as for the stars i'm curiouse too,i'm going to see if i can find the rest of these pictures.

Man, I want to believe that we went to the moon but I dunno after seein that

LOL Ghost,... That's how I always feel about religious threads!!! LMAO Luv ya Granny Kuu

The lack of stars is actually quite easy to explain.
http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html#stars

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The stars are there! They're just too faint to be seen.

This is usually the first thing HBs talk about when discussing the Hoax. That amazes me, as it's the silliest assertion they make. However, it appeals to our common sense: when the sky is black here on Earth, we see stars. Therefore we should see them from the Moon as well.

I'll say this here now, and return to it many times: the Moon is not the Earth. Conditions there are weird, and our common sense is likely to fail us.

The Moon's surface is airless. On Earth, our thick atmosphere scatters sunlight, spreading it out over the whole sky. That's why the sky is bright during the day. Without sunlight, the air is dark at night, allowing us to see stars.

On the Moon, the lack of air means that the sky is dark. Even when the Sun is high off the horizon during full day, the sky near it will be black. If you were standing on the Moon, you would indeed see stars, even during the day.

So why aren't they in the Apollo pictures? Pretend for a moment you are an astronaut on the surface of the Moon. You want to take a picture of your fellow space traveler. The Sun is low off the horizon, since all the lunar landings were done at local morning. How do you set your camera? The lunar landscape is brightly lit by the Sun, of course, and your friend is wearing a white spacesuit also brilliantly lit by the Sun. To take a picture of a bright object with a bright background, you need to set the exposure time to be fast, and close down the aperture setting too; that's like the pupil in your eye constricting to let less light in when you walk outside on a sunny day.

So the picture you take is set for bright objects. Stars are faint objects! In the fast exposure, they simply do not have time to register on the film. It has nothing to do with the sky being black or the lack of air, it's just a matter of exposure time. If you were to go outside here on Earth on the darkest night imaginable and take a picture with the exact same camera settings the astronauts used, you won't see any stars!

It's that simple. Remember, this the usually the first and strongest argument the HBs use, and it was that easy to show wrong. Their arguments get worse from here.

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LOL Ghost,... That's how I always feel about religious threads!!! LMAO Luv ya Granny Kuu

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Hehe, yea, I always get involved in them for a bit when i'm bored, throw a few punches, take a few, then go watch TV for a bit.... lol :)

i found them,there are acctualy little pin-point stars in the pictures,hard to see,and impossable to see with and resolution a computer screen can provide,the picture with the camera man in armstrongs visor is easily explained by the angle,the sun is to his side(you can see this from the glare in the corner of his visor) that is why his side is lit up and why his shadow is angled,i'm not looking at the picture(ghost's) so i can't debunk all the things brouhgt up but i'll get to it after i load it

the first picture is easily explained,it's all,once again,in the angle.in a larger 12x12 like the one i'm stareing at now you can see the objects makeing those shadows on the edge of the photograph,the shoe print is also a lead-on,it's pretty obvious the the shadows are all leaning in the same direction,but the arrows naturaly lead you to think it is not,go to the local bookstore and ask if they have any books or posters of/on the moon landing,it makes it very clear with a picture in front of you,and i have all but one of those pictures they use,so i'll be proveing the,without a dout,wrong one or two at a time as i go though them,BTW folk make no mistake,i'm no bleeding-heart patriot(some of you know i plan on leaveing this country after college and only comeing back maybe twice a year to see family)and i think it's rather ironic that they burnt their own flag while takeing off(that part of this story is true)but i hate to see science made a mockery of by some crack-pot religious man who thinks moses lived 800 years....

what about that footprint though

The "waving flag" is pretty easy to explain too. The flag is attached not only to the vertical pole, but also a horizontal pole at the top, as made clear in this picture (which also shows a few faint stars):
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/as11-40-5874.jpg

the last picture is explained by ermitonto,like his article says,most picture were takeing in the early morning and because of the angle(you can test this out tomarrow morning)so,naturaly,the second man's shadow would be taller? correct?

thanks for provideing them the picture ermitonto

they didint

thats why there going back in 2018

if they went all them years ago why so long wait?

it will cost them 600billion

did they even have that money back then

The best one is where they did all those missions and forgot to take any pictures of stars. When asked about that in a press interview (which I can make available if you want) the astronauts replied you cant see stars in a vacum. When pressed by a member of the British press if they saw anything out the window as they went? Sorry, we didnt look. Yeah, you flew days to the moon and never bothered to look out.

Well that sure sounds scientific. If light travels easist and fastest in a vacum they want you to believe it is too fast to see?

Of course, all of this is mere speculation unless you can show anywhere in history where a government conned its own people. As we all know, governments are honorable and would never create a lie for any reason. Now, step this way with your wallets wide.

More importantly is why did the Trade Center demolition not get investigated? Science was turned on its head for that lie. A steel and concrete building falls at the speed of gravity into dust and they blame it on fire? How much burning concrete does it take to melt steel anyway? When I worked in the Gary, Indiana steel mills they used coal stoaked furnaces blazing, not just a large tank of lighter fluid to melt steel. And it took years to melt enough to make those towers, yet in 2 hours it turns to dust in an explosion and we fall for it. Amazing.

http://www.911eyewitness.com (has Larry Silverstein admitting on TV that they purposley demolished the building seven! Not explaining how they got the explosives placed on that day to do that - incredible feat of magic) Guiliani on the radio telling everyone how he was away because they warned were warned the towers were about to come down, so they moved operations from building seven (guess he forgot to give that same warning to the fire and police men and woman inside the buildings?) This when never in more than 50 years of steel and concrete buildings has any of them colapsed? Pretty strange that he shows up whenever there is a good bombing in town. The man who gets things done they say.
http://www.911truth.org a good starting point.

The moon is far away, the criminal acts are still happening now here.

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they didint

thats why there going back in 2018

if they went all them years ago why so long wait?

it will cost them 600billion

did they even have that money back then

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They did not even have computer driven laser lathes to cut the tools. The technology was primitive. To the moon and back so many times and not one star... Thank goodness the race is over and they can actually try to do things really??? That moon stuff sure paid dividends to the subjects of the United States? The money? They never had that, or the 300 billion for Iraq, or 200 billion for New orleans. This is fiat currency, not "money." I will give a trillion (call the presses, keep them printing, no need to earn, just spend). Why care about money when you dont need to earn it? Just make notes (a note is a debt, a Federal Reserve Note is an IOU not money) And dont gawk you EUians, you all have Central Banks owned by the same private credit houses and are no different. Euro is fiat and Bank of England is a private IMF holding.

hmmm, it says all these things that would not happen on the moon as shadows and stars and such,, how would anybody be able to say they know what would happen on the moon if no one has ever been, they say that there should be a crater and stars should be visible and shadows wouldnt have been there, how does anyone be able to say what would happen on the moon if they didnt go, there is no way of knowing if we did or not unless the government says, so i donno

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Originally Posted by ArtRollins

The best one is where they did all those missions and forgot to take any pictures of stars. When asked about that in a press interview (which I can make available if you want) the astronauts replied you cant see stars in a vacum. When pressed by a member of the British press if they saw anything out the window as they went? Sorry, we didnt look. Yeah, you flew days to the moon and never bothered to look out.

Well that sure sounds scientific. If light travels easist and fastest in a vacum they want you to believe it is too fast to see?

Of course, all of this is mere speculation unless you can show anywhere in history where a government conned its own people. As we all know, governments are honorable and would never create a lie for any reason. Now, step this way with your wallets wide.

More importantly is why did the Trade Center demolition not get investigated? Science was turned on its head for that lie. A steel and concrete building falls at the speed of gravity into dust and they blame it on fire? How much burning concrete does it take to melt steel anyway? When I worked in the Gary, Indiana steel mills they used coal stoaked furnaces blazing, not just a large tank of lighter fluid to melt steel. And it took years to melt enough to make those towers, yet in 2 hours it turns to dust in an explosion and we fall for it. Amazing.

http://www.911eyewitness.com (has Larry Silverstein admitting on TV that they purposley demolished the building seven! Not explaining how they got the explosives placed on that day to do that - incredible feat of magic) Guiliani on the radio telling everyone how he was away because they warned were warned the towers were about to come down, so they moved operations from building seven (guess he forgot to give that same warning to the fire and police men and woman inside the buildings?) This when never in more than 50 years of steel and concrete buildings has any of them colapsed? Pretty strange that he shows up whenever there is a good bombing in town. The man who gets things done they say.
http://www.911truth.org a good starting point.

The moon is far away, the criminal acts are still happening now here.

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lol, do you even know how much fuel airplanes of that size carry ne way?, u saw the airplanes fly into the building and a huge fireball come out, u dont think all that steel could have melted under those tamperatures, lol, u must be a dumbass

haha, it says on that 9 11 thing they was an explosion, an explosion IS what happens when a plane runs into a building or a building falls, is it not?



i do believe government is bullshit, but why would they blow up theyrwe own people and spend even more money, there is a word that is called inflation, if u make more money, prices go up

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hmmm, it says all these things that would not happen on the moon as shadows and stars and such,, how would anybody be able to say they know what would happen on the moon if no one has ever been, they say that there should be a crater and stars should be visible and shadows wouldnt have been there, how does anyone be able to say what would happen on the moon if they didnt go, there is no way of knowing if we did or not unless the government says, so i donno

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What they say is that in a vacum you cannot see them. As you know, you look up and see stars at night. They say you cannot see them in space because it like always daylight. We can only see the sun at that time, and the moon if it is reflected. BUT, we do see craters (therfore shadows) with the naked eye from here, even in the daytime when the sun is up. The physics they defy is that every thing should be easier and faster in a vacum, not contrary and slower. You can look at the moon and see the crater outlines yes? Even if at new moon, you see it in the day, craters are visible. Well those light beams have to travel here, through the vacum, through our dense atmosphere and we still see them. So...

Also, in an eclipse (as would be if your back was to the sun in a vacum on the moon with no reflections from an atmosphere) you can see stars in daytime. You can only see light coming at you, not going away.

Once again, blind faith in governments honesty is not found in any government in history. If you find it, let me know, I am looking too. Same for "free press" an oxymoron if I ever knew an example of one.

lol, i could care less about the government, they lie, but i am just saying, how would ne body know whats it is supposed to be like on the moon if nobody has been there

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haha, it says on that 9 11 thing they was an explosion, an explosion IS what happens when a plane runs into a building or a building falls, is it not?



i do believe government is bullshit, but why would they blow up theyrwe own people and spend even more money, there is a word that is called inflation, if u make more money, prices go up

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Yes, 7 trillion dollars in mandatory clean up bills for the new owner Silverstein. A known superstar of the Zionist (not to be confused with Jews). Now, say to a Rockefeller, who used to shoot his workers if they wanted money to eat, could save that kind of money? Say that same day the Defense Department announces they "lost" 43 billion dollars.

Oh, well, there are plenty of financial reasons to demo the building. More than any other, but there has got to be more. The idea here is to hear the live reports on radio, watch the actual building as it comes down from new angles. Listen to the owners and what they say. Watch some science people explain the science and questions, then come back and say the same things you just said.

The thing is, when you see it, when it is seen next to professional demos. When you hear firemen at the scene talking about it. When you hear the security guard, who let the fire fighters into the building talk about the explosions in the basement, you start to ask. Rodreguiez, the security guard was one of 26 eyewitnesses that testified at the 911 Commision whose testimony was strickened.

What this all says, something is not right and we want something done. A war was created by means of this crime. All liberty in American was cancelled from it. The building was built to withstand several jet hits each. The core should never have melted from a few thousand gallons of jet fuel. THAT alone is the biggest joke a steel man could hear. You cant believe the furnaces that melt steel and how hot and how long and how BIG those beams were in the towers. They made locomotives look like toys.

Since we never had a proper investigation into the crime, and they destroyed the evidence in 2 months (FEMA) and banned anyone from showing or talking about it, well, perfect crime. All investigators have are live footage and science asking how the HELL can you do that?

Come on, the building turned to dust in 10 seconds. How can you walk in a building thinking it can turn to dust like that? Not chunks, dust. Fall fast as gravity in a freefall, no resistance. Amazing!

allright, damn,, i give up, (pops my 100 mgs of morphine),, i will morph and listen to music, lol, u win