Mental Health Bill 'to cause thousands to be detained'

just like lord bush's new freedom initiative...maybe the world's government "officials" and "authorities" need to be detained and forcibly drugged...

soon our schoolchildren will gain this new freedom too!

http://news.scotsman.com/health.cfm?id=1965982005

Mental Health Bill 'to cause thousands to be detained'

NINE times as many people as first thought will be forced to undergo compulsory mental health treatment under planned reforms in England and Wales, a new study claims.

The draft Mental Health Bill proposes allowing patients to be made to take medication and detained if necessary. The King's Fund study said that in 15 years as many as 13,000 could be placed under such orders, rather than the Government's 1450 figure. But the Government said the "flawed" study produced incorrect estimates. The bill was first introduced in 2002.

Under the 1983 Mental Health Act patients can be sectioned, but only if their condition is treatable. The new bill, which received 2000 objections when it was first unveiled, proposes allowing people to be forcibly treated to protect the public.

Campaigners say it will make it too easy to detain people who have mild personality disorders.

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just like lord bush's new freedom initiative...maybe the world's government "officials" and "authorities" need to be detained and forcibly drugged...

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Hey dumbass, it's states Wales and England. What the fuck does "Lord Bush" have to do with this? :rolleyes:

Just like a republican 2 call people names,another strategy to blur the truth and shift the focus from the actual issue to the character or integrity of the person calling attention to it...Isay it again,A solid republican strategy at work......... You can fool some of the people all the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on-gwb-3-31-01

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Just like a republican 2 call people names,another strategy to blur the truth and shift the focus from the actual issue to the character or integrity of the person calling attention to it...Isay it again,A solid republican strategy at work......... You can fool some of the people all the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on-gwb-3-31-01

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Once again bunghole, I'm Libertarian. It's just that I can tell a dumbass pretty easy from dumbass posts....like this thread! :D

Ok whatever man if it make u feel more like a man go head & used that name calling crap & once again if u dont like the tread dont fukin reply to it u... Libertarian--Riiiiight

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Ok whatever man if it make u feel more like a man go head & used that name calling crap & once again if u dont like the tread dont fukin reply to it u... Libertarian--Riiiiight

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And here I thought replying to things on a political thread was justified. OH YEA, that is of course you don't agree with the Democratic assholes on the board! Question: Do you REALLY buy into all the Alex Jones bullshit that pissy posts? If so, what grade of elementary school are you in now? :D

Well im not a dumbocrate or a retardican.... I believe in the Constitution of the U.S. the Bill of Rights, And my god given human rights to be free of Evilminded leaders to rule us..............So whats ur excuse to love GWB and r criminal Gov't why r u always defending it. I dont understand man how anyone could defend this Gov't both the democrates and republicans in congress are greedy bastards that dont give a shit about the people of the U.S. ...............Im just rantin..........thank god 4 cannabis

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Well im not a dumbocrate or a retardican.... I believe in the Constitution of the U.S. the Bill of Rights, And my god given human rights to be free of Evilminded leaders to rule us..............So whats ur excuse to love GWB and r criminal Gov't why r u always defending it. I dont understand man how anyone could defend this Gov't both the democrates and republicans in congress are greedy bastards that dont give a shit about the people of the U.S. ...............Im just rantin..........thank god 4 cannabis

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Like I have stated. I do love Bush...trimmed, shaved, or Chubaka Bush......George Bush? NO, I do not love George Bush. ALL politicians are crooked, hell, they usually start off as lawyers..should be the first clue on that.
My problem is the source of these threads from pisshead and his lil' comments. This article had no relationship what so ever to GW but he managed to push his own agenda into it AGAIN! As far as I'm concerned, Alex Jones thrives by promoting his conspiracy bullshit to the weak minded and thanks to the modern age, he can charge his lil' $59.95 for doing so. Basically he is a piece of shit preying on the ignorant!

eg420ne...that's what ignore is for...

don't expect to let that constitution talk get in the way of the neo-cons...remember, we'll need to scrap that old rag for martial law homeland security dictatorship, which tommy franks assures we'll be much happier with...after the next unfortunate 'terrorist' attack...

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eg420ne...that's what ignore is for...

don't expect to let that constitution talk get in the way of the neo-cons...remember, we'll need to scrap that old rag for martial law homeland security dictatorship, which tommy franks assures we'll be much happier with...after the next unfortunate 'terrorist' attack...

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Hey pissy, what does G.W. have to do with Wales and England enacting this? Please try to answer without the personal agenda bullshit...thank you! :D

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Hey pissy, what does G.W. have to do with Wales and England enacting this? Please try to answer without the personal agenda bullshit...thank you! :D

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Guess he had to cal Alex Jones.....independent thinking isn't really one of his strong suits! :D

What happens in England will happen here

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What happens in England will happen here

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Us neo-cons that bow to Lord Bush, Leader of the Industrial Military Complex, don't acknowledge these theories!!!

So it is written, so it shall be done!!!

BWWWAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!

ALL HAIL LORD BUSH, DICTATOR OF THE NEO-CONS!!! :D

Why do you hate freedom psycho

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Why do you hate freedom psycho

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And why would you assume that? Love my freedom! I can worship whatever God of my choosing or not worship at all. If I like, I can say that my government bites ass and my President can fuckin blow me. Not many other countries allow such a thing without a little jail time or maybe a bit of torture. If I decide to work today or not is completely my choice. Hell, I could jump on the scoot and travel cross country just doing odd jobs, whatever when I get strapped for cash. What "freedoms" am I actually loosing at the present?

The only freedom that I don't have that I would like to enjoy is being able to raise a crop, sit back in the privacy of my own home, and enjoy. The Reefer Madness generation is almost in their wheelchairs now so it's time for a little common horse sense. We'll see if it happens. I'll tell ya though, it's looking more and more promising....reminds me a little of the early 70s when the discussion of decriminalization was on the table.

There, I answered your question so now you answer mine. Why do you dislike this country/government so much when it grants you so many more freedoms than most of the world today.

It seems that your more concerned with the rights of a Mullah in Iran producing nukes than the safety of those he would use them on. It doesn't so much involve the U.S. as it does Europe, now that Iran has those ICBMs. But as usual, you know what country would be cleaning up the mess if it happened!!!

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Why do you hate freedom psycho

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neo-cons are incredibly afraid of the freedom, especially that outlined by the founders (who sound like nutjob conspiracy theorists at times the way they talk about government) in the bill of rights and constitution...

they need a cozy, massive federal government and a surveillance technocracy to feel secure. they'll accept what they otherwise wouldn't accept under democrats...imagine if bill clinton was doing what george bush was doing, they'd be up in arms...instead...zzzzzzzz...

the war on drugs/terror/literacy/poverty/anything always goes well for the feds...the desired outcome is more of what you're 'warring' against...that's how it's designed.

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neo-cons are incredibly afraid of the freedom, especially that outlined by the founders (who sound like nutjob conspiracy theorists at times the way they talk about government) in the bill of rights and constitution...

Us "neo-cons" love our freedom and are willing to protect it; even for the paranoid pussies like you! :D

they need a cozy, massive federal government and a surveillance technocracy to feel secure. they'll accept what they otherwise wouldn't accept under democrats...imagine if bill clinton was doing what george bush was doing, they'd be up in arms...instead...zzzzzzzz...

Bring up Billy! O.K.....Ol' Billy had Saddam offered to him by the Sudanese but declined. Ol' Billy had how many terror attacks during his administration and left it for the next guy. Ol' Billy ignored Rwanda! Get real pissy!

the war on drugs/terror/literacy/poverty/anything always goes well for the feds...the desired outcome is more of what you're 'warring' against...that's how it's designed.

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And here comes the bullshit Industrial Military Complex turning us into a Marshall law state. What a joke!!!

I never said i was concernwith iran hell i could give a crap if they blew that nation 2 bit, more power 2 em.... It not the country I hate, its the Gov't, I lov my country hell man i'm 5generation texan and i would fight 4 my liberty, They make laws after laws dismantling our Bill Of Rights & if u cant see that then im sorry man just dont keep attacking the messenger & message all the time, everytime i get on here ur always fuking calling people names attacking there character thats fuk up dude, But i dont give a crap whatever (Rant off)

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I never said i was concernwith iran hell i could give a crap if they blew that nation 2 bit, more power 2 em.... It not the country I hate, its the Gov't, I lov my country hell man i'm 5generation texan and i would fight 4 my liberty, They make laws after laws dismantling our Bill Of Rights & if u cant see that then im sorry man just dont keep attacking the messenger & message all the time, everytime i get on here ur always fuking calling people names attacking there character thats fuk up dude, But i dont give a crap whatever (Rant off)

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Lets address this in a reasonable manner. First off, I attack on ones that refer to me by neo-con and have VERY lame sources.
Now lets get to the meat! :D Here is the Bill of Rights....what am I losing out on here? Keep in mind, besides weed, I pretty much obey the law. Now if something is being done to protect my right to life, I could very well be for it. Anyways, heres the list, now please show me the way!!!! :D


Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Amendment II
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Amendment III
No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Amendment VI
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.

Amendment VII
In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

Amendment VIII
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Amendment IX
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

[B]Psycho4bud:Its obvious that u r going 2 be ignorant of the Gov't misdealings & lawlessness, No matter whatI say, u will try ur best 2 debunk it, call me names or whatever u do. The Patriot Act, should i say more. Congressman Ron Paul told washington times the no member of congress was allowed to read the patriot act that was passed. Oct 27 01;
Headlines: Homeland security agents visit toy store; Court, U.S. can hold citizen as enemy combatant, everyones the enemy to this gov't: Patriot act being used to harrass blackboxvoting.org website:Photographer arrested under patriot act:Patriot act increasingly used against common criminals:students get visit by SS after criticizing Bush:.Again it does not matter .. Eminent Domain; The Supreame court decision that Gov'ts may seize people homes & businesses even against there will, for private and public development. New London city wants back rent from Kelo resident from there confiscated land..
The Drug War: Making criminals out of Drug users... Back in 2002 I was arrested for a half a jay and zigzags, My bail was $2300-2500 & my fine was $2800-amendment VIII Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed & amendment IV unreasonablesearches and seizures, search my car after i told them no and then I lost my car. Maybe the Hi-Po was having a bad day or was it because I had a lady passenger whom happen 2 be a local cops girlfriend I dont know, or that my fine was excessive maybe the judge,& my $700 lawyer were having a bad day. When my employer found out she made me take a drug test like every 2 months or so. Its suck to have a record, I was pulled over by a Texas Hi-Po a few months ago and he called in my ID & guess what he ask me about my drug arrest and it almost went downhill from there, He found a roach, roach clip, & zigzags I was glad that he let me off with a fine. So I fear everytime i see a Police around, is that right in AMERICA Any loss of freedom is too much..Our Gov't has been able to seize property and assets surrounding drug cases.
Thought Crimes:House approves anti-hate bill freedom of speech, law enforcement hate crimes prevention act of 2005 HR2662
Freedom of Information act 5U.S.C 552, Chertoff moves for total personal information controls
5th crcuit court, US Supreme court decision that allows police to fully arrest american citizens for misdemeaners violation or traffic law that are generally punishable with ticket and a fine
GI denied health care after speaking out: An operation Iraqi freedom veteran say army official at Fort Knox Ky refused him medical treatment after he talked publicly about poor care at base. Peace man, Have A Good Day

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[B]Psycho4bud:Its obvious that u r going 2 be ignorant of the Gov't misdealings & lawlessness, No matter whatI say, u will try ur best 2 debunk it, call me names or whatever u do. The Patriot Act, should i say more. Congressman Ron Paul told washington times the no member of congress was allowed to read the patriot act that was passed. Oct 27 01;
Headlines: Homeland security agents visit toy store; Court, U.S. can hold citizen as enemy combatant, everyones the enemy to this gov't: Patriot act being used to harrass blackboxvoting.org website:Photographer arrested under patriot act:Patriot act increasingly used against common criminals:students get visit by SS after criticizing Bush:.Again it does not matter .. Eminent Domain; The Supreame court decision that Gov'ts may seize people homes & businesses even against there will, for private and public development. New London city wants back rent from Kelo resident from there confiscated land..
The Drug War: Making criminals out of Drug users... Back in 2002 I was arrested for a half a jay and zigzags, My bail was $2300-2500 & my fine was $2800-amendment VIII Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed & amendment IV unreasonablesearches and seizures, search my car after i told them no and then I lost my car. Maybe the Hi-Po was having a bad day or was it because I had a lady passenger whom happen 2 be a local cops girlfriend I dont know, or that my fine was excessive maybe the judge,& my $700 lawyer were having a bad day. When my employer found out she made me take a drug test like every 2 months or so. Its suck to have a record, I was pulled over by a Texas Hi-Po a few months ago and he called in my ID & guess what he ask me about my drug arrest and it almost went downhill from there, He found a roach, roach clip, & zigzags I was glad that he let me off with a fine. So I fear everytime i see a Police around, is that right in AMERICA Any loss of freedom is too much..Our Gov't has been able to seize property and assets surrounding drug cases.
Thought Crimes:House approves anti-hate bill freedom of speech, law enforcement hate crimes prevention act of 2005 HR2662
Freedom of Information act 5U.S.C 552, Chertoff moves for total personal information controls
5th crcuit court, US Supreme court decision that allows police to fully arrest american citizens for misdemeaners violation or traffic law that are generally punishable with ticket and a fine
GI denied health care after speaking out: An operation Iraqi freedom veteran say army official at Fort Knox Ky refused him medical treatment after he talked publicly about poor care at base. Peace man, Have A Good Day

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"Its obvious that u r going 2 be ignorant of the Gov't misdealings & lawlessness,"

Say what? Now don't be trying to provoke a fight here! I may just have to call ya a bad name or some shit like that...LOL!

Well I can see why your a little on the pissed side of the tracks. But it was kind of classic...in its own way. YOU WERE BAGGIN' A COPS GIRLFRIEND??? DAMN, you got balls dude!!! LOL ... I'll bet they torched your ass. Don't get me wrong now, I'm completely against the drug war. Seizure of property was designed to take the cash and merchandise from dealers hands, not from the common user. Another law gone bad! I read one time in Chicago when this was first passed a yacht was seized when a joint was found on board.

Good arguments, reliable sources, what more to be said? What pisses me off is the "conspiracy sites" that twist truths around for profit!

If I recall right your in Texas. If so, STAY SAFE DUDE!!! Looks like Rosi is headin' your way and she is pissed off!!

P.S. Stay away from the Texas cops pussy too!!! I salute you!!!! :D

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[B]Psycho4bud:Its obvious that u r going 2 be ignorant of the Gov't misdealings & lawlessness, No matter whatI say, u will try ur best 2 debunk it, call me names or whatever u do. The Patriot Act, should i say more. Congressman Ron Paul told washington times the no member of congress was allowed to read the patriot act that was passed. Oct 27 01;
Headlines: Homeland security agents visit toy store; Court, U.S. can hold citizen as enemy combatant, everyones the enemy to this gov't: Patriot act being used to harrass blackboxvoting.org website:Photographer arrested under patriot act:Patriot act increasingly used against common criminals:students get visit by SS after criticizing Bush:.Again it does not matter .. Eminent Domain; The Supreame court decision that Gov'ts may seize people homes & businesses even against there will, for private and public development. New London city wants back rent from Kelo resident from there confiscated land..
The Drug War: Making criminals out of Drug users... Back in 2002 I was arrested for a half a jay and zigzags, My bail was $2300-2500 & my fine was $2800-amendment VIII Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed & amendment IV unreasonablesearches and seizures, search my car after i told them no and then I lost my car. Maybe the Hi-Po was having a bad day or was it because I had a lady passenger whom happen 2 be a local cops girlfriend I dont know, or that my fine was excessive maybe the judge,& my $700 lawyer were having a bad day. When my employer found out she made me take a drug test like every 2 months or so. Its suck to have a record, I was pulled over by a Texas Hi-Po a few months ago and he called in my ID & guess what he ask me about my drug arrest and it almost went downhill from there, He found a roach, roach clip, & zigzags I was glad that he let me off with a fine. So I fear everytime i see a Police around, is that right in AMERICA Any loss of freedom is too much..Our Gov't has been able to seize property and assets surrounding drug cases.
Thought Crimes:House approves anti-hate bill freedom of speech, law enforcement hate crimes prevention act of 2005 HR2662
Freedom of Information act 5U.S.C 552, Chertoff moves for total personal information controls
5th crcuit court, US Supreme court decision that allows police to fully arrest american citizens for misdemeaners violation or traffic law that are generally punishable with ticket and a fine
GI denied health care after speaking out: An operation Iraqi freedom veteran say army official at Fort Knox Ky refused him medical treatment after he talked publicly about poor care at base. Peace man, Have A Good Day

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i'd just give it up...put him on ignore, it's not worth it...there's always going to be some fake enemy or some group that we build up who then becomes our enemy for the neo-con apologists (and the fake left apologists)...they can always point the finger elsewhere at the leadership of other countries while our leaders are doing the same thing, on a larger worldwide scale...

google "imf riot"...you'll see basically how our economic collapse will be engineered, you'll be able to recognize the hand of the IMF/world bank, under a smokescreen of a 'terror' attack too...to further justify a world government (which doesn't exist unless the mainstream says, and only at that time, every other time you're a nut for saying it...world bank, world health...world court...world trade...shhh....)

double plus good!

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i'd just give it up...put him on ignore, it's not worth it...there's always going to be some fake enemy or some group that we build up who then becomes our enemy for the neo-con apologists (and the fake left apologists)...they can always point the finger elsewhere at the leadership of other countries while our leaders are doing the same thing, on a larger worldwide scale...

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Now ya see eg420ne, this is why I slam piss for brains. Some fake enemy...oh yea, WE blew up the WTC...there are no terrorists except for our own government. Sorry to all but I refuse to live a life in constant fear or lining ol' Alex Jones pockets for another FAKE conspiracy. Have a good on eg420ne and as for piss for brains...get a fuckin' life and get out of the basement! :D

they need to start with the commons area outside DePaul in downtown Chicago.alot of fucking crazy people there.

I have heard a qoute dont remember the exact wording but it say, Police often reflect its Gov't.... I do believe that theres a Gov't conspiracy going on, like that lone gunman theory that they used to explain how JFK was killed by a single bullet. I dont trust this Gov't they do have a hidden agenda behind the scene and i know im not alone in this thinking R Gov't is criminal, maybe i did 2 much meth & coke back in the good ol days, but i swear I was thinking conspiracy back in grade school.....Peace

Gov't is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force, Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master-George Washington

The exact of contrary of what is generally believed is often the truth

My question to people who assume Alex Jones is not a credible source:

Why? Is it because what he says is simply hard to believe/accept or do you have a real reason? Can you actually debunk the arguments and/or evidence he puts forth? In other words, is your skepticism based on reason or emotion?

It seems that much of the population is programmed to respond with disbelief, denial and ridicule when they hear anything that casts doubt on the government. The label, "conspiracy nut", is automatically slapped on whomever suspects the government of wrong doing or a hidden agenda (despite the fact that government corruption is certainly nothing new, it has always existed and always will as it is a very likely thing to occur if left unchecked).

[QUOTE=Odd Ball]My question to people who assume Alex Jones is not a credible source:

Why? Is it because what he says is simply hard to believe/accept or do you have a real reason? Can you actually debunk the arguments and/or evidence he puts forth? [QUOTE]

Been there and done that more than once! Thats why I call him a money grubbing hypocrit and pisshole a lamb of Alex.

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My question to people who assume Alex Jones is not a credible source:

Why? Is it because what he says is simply hard to believe/accept or do you have a real reason? Can you actually debunk the arguments and/or evidence he puts forth? In other words, is your skepticism based on reason or emotion?

It seems that much of the population is programmed to respond with disbelief, denial and ridicule when they hear anything that casts doubt on the government. The label, "conspiracy nut", is automatically slapped on whomever suspects the government of wrong doing or a hidden agenda (despite the fact that government corruption is certainly nothing new, it has always existed and always will as it is a very likely thing to occur if left unchecked).

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as if he's the only one saying the types of things he says too...

you can read the federalist and anti-federalist papers...and they sound more conspiratorial and insane than alex jones does...

or you can read newspapers from 100 and 200 years ago (if you can read the words...) when it used to be about freeodm versus slavery and freedom versus tyranny...when people wanted to expose corruption...today, government corruption is just a conspiracy theory...our government could never be corrupt, it will never happen here...

today it's reduced to left versus right...left tyranny versus right tyranny, which side who does the same thing as the other side do you want to bring you tyranny first...


Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.
George Washington

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you can read the federalist and anti-federalist papers...and they sound more conspiratorial and insane than alex jones does...

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Well pissy there may be hope for ya yet. At least you admit that A.J. sounds insane. When you admit that he IS insane you just may be worth a shit! :D