What's your view on capitol punishment?

Last night I was just watching some movie with Shawn Pen (just caught the end) where he's on death row. at the end he was tied up to this table, he was lifted up on it in front of a bunch of people where he could say some last words, then he was injected by some machine with a crap load of different chemicals.

During the movie, his whole execution seemed really horrific and inhumane, but when they flashed back to his murder, it seemed equally horrific and inhumane. I started thinking about capitol punishment after seeing the movie, and I gotta admit I'm not really sure where I stand on it. so I was just wondering what your views/opinions/arguments about capitol punishment are.


And just a note people, differences in opinion don't necessarily require an angry yelling match and insults flying everywhere.

IMO, if someone intenionally kills someone else they deserve to have the same done to them.

MNgreen


PS. Bring on the firing squad

"Do onto others as you wish others onto you."

It serves its purpose.

Yes, those people kill innocent people in most cases, they deserve to die too.

Compaired to when they traided in the Hang mans Rope to the electric chair.
the lethal injection is an easy way out..

Imo.
Rockspiders.(pedaphiles).
rapists and cold blooded killers get all they they deserve..

I would loooooooooooooooooooove to see a public execution with a guillotine.

That alone influences my support of the whole shabangabang.

wow, this has been considerably more one-sided than expected.

Guilty of murder. Death sentence

Proclaims innocense: Lie detector /sodium pentathol
Passed: life in prison
Flunk: Go to the chair immediately...no fuck around time in a cell!

Doesn't deny guilt: Go to "Flunk" :D

how sure can you ever be that someone is guilty?
think about it

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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

Guilty of murder. Death sentence

Proclaims innocense: Lie detector /sodium pentathol
Passed: life in prison
Flunk: Go to the chair immediately...no fuck around time in a cell!

Doesn't deny guilt: Go to "Flunk" :D

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Lie detectors aren't dependable at all, they should have no place in court and sentencing. Psychopaths are also the most adept at fooling them.

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Originally Posted by screwedcork

how sure can you ever be that someone is guilty?
think about it

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Witnesses, fingerprints, etc...... beyond a shadow of a doubt or they shouldn't even be locked up.

I'm not touching this topic with a ten-foot pole.

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Originally Posted by screwedcork

how sure can you ever be that someone is guilty?
think about it

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Exactly. There is no way to be 100% sure. Even with DNA, the results can be fixed.

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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

Witnesses, fingerprints, etc...... beyond a shadow of a doubt or they shouldn't even be locked up.

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Beyond a shadow of a doubt? Yeah, 12 people who sometimes have no idea what they're doing shouldnt decide if a person should be put to death. Theres a reason there was a moratoriam placed on the death penalty in Illinois.

Lets Get Back to Basics...

an eye for an eye....

rapist proved by dna
kill em
molesters of children KILL THEM ALL take no chances
cold blooded killers
need cold blooded killed.(irony huh)

GIVING THE FLAWS IN THE SYSTEM ITS SCARY
but i dont want them housed on my dime forever,
then agian it cost more to execute a killer than to feed him till he dies in prison of misery and discomfort.

honestly i think we
SHOULD PUNISH THE CAPITOL

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Originally Posted by Mojavpa

Exactly. There is no way to be 100% sure. Even with DNA, the results can be fixed.

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when some kid says so and so raped me and you find his dna
there can be no doubt about it in my head
or they find dna in dead body ect.
my god folks there must be retrobution or VIGILANTEE justice will take over.

anyone hurts my family ,wont need a trial if i get a shot at him/her

my state has no capitol punishment but, the feds can step in on some crimes

you wont shoot a cop,and live to long,ect

dont kill them...carry out medical experiments on them

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Originally Posted by mrdevious

Lie detectors aren't dependable at all, they should have no place in court and sentencing. Psychopaths are also the most adept at fooling them.

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Yea, coz lie detecters aren't like 99% accurate are they :rolleyes: Ooh look at me i'm a psychopath, i can EASILY 'Fool' them. It's a machine >_<

I agree with capitol punishment against murderers, peedos, and all that jazz.
I also would not mind seeing a guy on the guillatine. :D

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Originally Posted by Bonez87x

"Do onto others as you wish others onto you."

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Hell yeah, if only everyone thought like this!

Nuff said

Buddy

I lived for a while in a country that has very harsh punishments for hard crimes and is pretty quick to execute those guilty of capital crimes. A lot of peole like to put them down for human rights abuses, blah, blah blah. But I'll tell you this: I lived in a huge fucking city, 14 million people, filled with slums, poor people etc. Just what you'd expect to find in a city that big. But I could walk down any street in the city, at any time of the day or night, without having any concern for my personal safety. The worst thing that might happen would be getting my pocket picked (actually happened to my wife) but even that is pretty rare. Can we say that about any big city here in the U.S.?

Bottom line is that punishments for criminals here in the U.S are not hard enough. People might think twice about raping and murdering a little girl if they knew with out a doubt that they'd be executed for it, immediately after the trial. So I say execution for criminals who are convicted of capital crimes(murder, rape, any crime against children, etc) and hard labor for those convicted of any violent crime(armed robbery, serious battery, etc). And no more tv, cigarettes, nice shit sent from home, visits, etc. No more time in the weight room, in the yard, socializing with your homies, etc. You are a criminal, you lost your rights,you will serve your sentence in a 6x6 cell and never leave it. If you don't like it FUCK YOU!! You should have thought about that before you did your crime.

Meanwhile, decriminalize victimless crimes-drug use, prostitution etc. There's no sense penalizing people and sending them to jail for crimes against themselves.

"an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind"-Mahatma Gandhi

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Originally Posted by chonged

dont kill them...carry out medical experiments on them

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yeah thats what i would waNt done....or to be put it to little cells on their own for the rest of their lives.....like that big prison thing that was out at sea.....begins with A....but yeah all alone with no outside contact so they can reflect on what they have done.

The death sentence doesn't exist in England, & that is the reason why prisons are full. People that mug someone or steal a car or beat the shit out of someone don't get sent to prison because it is full of murderers & rapists.
These murderers & rapists need to be killed, & because they're not innocent people are being mugged knowing they will get away with it in the english justice system

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Originally Posted by Fengzi

I lived for a while in a country that has very harsh punishments for hard crimes and is pretty quick to execute those guilty of capital crimes. A lot of peole like to put them down for human rights abuses, blah, blah blah. But I'll tell you this: I lived in a huge fucking city, 14 million people, filled with slums, poor people etc. Just what you'd expect to find in a city that big. But I could walk down any street in the city, at any time of the day or night, without having any concern for my personal safety. The worst thing that might happen would be getting my pocket picked (actually happened to my wife) but even that is pretty rare. Can we say that about any big city here in the U.S.?

Bottom line is that punishments for criminals here in the U.S are not hard enough. People might think twice about raping and murdering a little girl if they knew with out a doubt that they'd be executed for it, immediately after the trial. So I say execution for criminals who are convicted of capital crimes(murder, rape, any crime against children, etc) and hard labor for those convicted of any violent crime(armed robbery, serious battery, etc). And no more tv, cigarettes, nice shit sent from home, visits, etc. No more time in the weight room, in the yard, socializing with your homies, etc. You are a criminal, you lost your rights,you will serve your sentence in a 6x6 cell and never leave it. If you don't like it FUCK YOU!! You should have thought about that before you did your crime.

Meanwhile, decriminalize victimless crimes-drug use, prostitution etc. There's no sense penalizing people and sending them to jail for crimes against themselves.

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please come here and be my congressman
west virginia needs you
or senator (have ya seen sen Robert Byrd on tv the old drunk KKK member)

when they would punish me for smoking my meds the same as a child rapist
YOU KNOW SOMETHING NEEDS FIXED

is why i have no respect for THE rules,the rules they have do not protect me.
i must protect me and mine not only from criminals but from those who's job it it to protect me.

it just aint right ,and i keep a loaded gun in my house,and alot of times on me when i leave here to go anywhere becuase i know whats out there,

a real true criminal dont care about punishment,its a risk they except.

I don't see what's wrong with killing murderers. But I disagree with the capital punishment as enacted by the government, since it completely ignores mass murderers and terrorists like Bush who happen to be rich and/or in high positions of power.

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Originally Posted by ermitonto

I don't see what's wrong with killing murderers. But I disagree with the capital punishment as enacted by the government, since it completely ignores mass murderers and terrorists like Bush who happen to be rich and/or in high positions of power.

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Yup, when poor colored people do it it's called murder and everyone agrees they should be put to death. But when rich white men do it, it's war, it's bringing freedom, it's in our best interest. Double standard? Naaaah.... Couldn't possibly exist...

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Originally Posted by NowhereMan

a real true criminal dont care about punishment,its a risk they except.

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Exactly, because the punsihment isn't harsh enough. For a lot of these guys a few years in prison is the price they are willing to pay if they get caught. No different than being willing to pay $10 to go see a movie.

It's all just marketing. Everything has a value. If you produce a product you want to determine the value and price it at the maximum amount people would be willing to pay or a bit lower. Never higher or the product won't sell. Now reverse that and apply it to crime. What's the value of robbing a bank? If it's two years in a cushy prison then set the penalty at 10 years of hard labor. The value of robbing the bank is not worth the potentail price to pay.

Of course there are real sickos out there. Someone who thinks their dog is the reincarnation of Jesus and is telling them to kill people really don't give much thought to what will happen to them if they're caught. But these types are few and far between and, once caught, will soon learn that electricity is not their friend.

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Originally Posted by NoosaHeads

Lets Get Back to Basics...

an eye for an eye....

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I agree

I'm all for capital punishment, and I think it should be exercised more often other than Texas. When a person kills someone, he not only takes the life of someone, but he shatters the remaining family members lives. He ruins a whole family, and friends.

Also, an eye for an eye. Someone kills someone, that killer should be killed in front of the remaining family members and friends. May sound harsh, but really, think about it. These killers take the life of someone, ruin the family and friends lives, so we send him to prison for 40 years where they cloth, feed, shelter, cable TV, among other things, for free. We keep these scum alive when they should be killed off. They are doing no good sitting in prison but getting drugs, and a good education on crime.

Kill them I say. Kill the killers.

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Originally Posted by Bonez87x

"Do onto others as you wish others onto you."

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Originally Posted by buddymyfriend

Hell yeah, if only everyone thought like this!

Nuff said

Buddy

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Does that pertain to crazys too. Do the crazy sick and twisted get this privelage.

I also think the proof needs to be 100% for Capital Punish.

Killing is wrong. We all learn as kids that two wrongs don't make a right. I think alot of people need to remember that.

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Originally Posted by Nochowderforyou

I'm all for capital punishment, and I think it should be exercised more often other than Texas. When a person kills someone, he not only takes the life of someone, but he shatters the remaining family members lives. He ruins a whole family, and friends.

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but what if the person thats been killed has no family? theres so many different possibilitys that can happen with murder, and more death wont solve anything.. besides a life sentence isnt going to be more fun is it now, dieings just an quick way out, and to be honest i wouldnt feel safe knowing the government has the right to kill people, because quite simply they do not.

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Originally Posted by GHoSToKeR

Killing is wrong. We all learn as kids that two wrongs don't make a right. I think alot of people need to remember that.

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Do you kill roaches in your house, a mosquito that bites you? What makes these killers and child rapists and different that any other common household pests? Killing/hurting innocent people is wrong. I see nothing wrong with killing off the pests in society.

Capital punishment is sick and dysfuntional beyond words.

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Originally Posted by Fengzi

Do you kill roaches in your house, a mosquito that bites you? What makes these killers and child rapists and different that any other common household pests? Killing/hurting innocent people is wrong. I see nothing wrong with killing off the pests in society.

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I'm against killing anything, in fact. I don't even eat meat, for fucks sake.

Well here is how I see it.

I dont think that any level of government should ever be allowed to kill. I also think that someone should not live if they killl, or commit serious crimes. However that is what I think, but I also think that there is a higher power that really would rather not we snuff out one another and mess with the cycles its set in motion. So I aquiesce to that higher power, I don't agree with killing, though man I still get right bent out of shape watching the news and whatnot, some serious sickos out there, so hard not to want them dead at the hands of the state.

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Originally Posted by Fengzi

I see nothing wrong with killing off the pests in society.

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Don't you see that, to millions and millions of people in every country, we are the pest of society because we use drugs? In Indonesia you can get the death penalty for supplying certain drugs; do you think this is justified? They are only killing off the pests in their society

I don't eat meat either, but I still don't see why murdering murderers is wrong. If somebody stole something from you, you'd steal it back wouldn't you? But that second act of stealing isn't a "second wrong", it is a corrective measure. Murderers need to be treated differently from non-murderers, and frankly I think instant death is more humane (not to mention much less of a burden on society) than sticking them inside a dingy prison for the rest of their lives.

Some people just plain don't deserve to live. For instance, if Hitler had been captured alive, would you suggest life imprisonment or some similar punishment? Me, I think he should have been subjected to a long, painful, torturous death for his crimes.