Why You Should Resist the National ID Card

[align=left]Why You Should Resist the National ID Card[/align]

[align=left]Prison Planet | September 16 2005[/align]

[align=left]This piece focuses on the introduction of the British national ID card but the same principles can be applied in any country.[/align]

[align=left]1) A government engaging in escalating criminal actions and becoming more and more secretive should not be watching and tracking us as if we're all criminals. The same goes for CCTV surveillance. That's not freedom. Would you let a convicted murderer and pedophile watch your child 24/7?[/align]

[align=left]The often peddled mantra of 'why should you care if you have nothing to hide?' is manifestly ridiculous in light of the fact that we have a government that has everything to hide and yet we're the ones under suspicion.[/align]

[align=left]Should it concern us that our government shredded hundreds of thousands of documents before a 1st January Freedom of Information deadline? Why should the government care about freedom of information if they have nothing to hide?[/align]

[align=left]But they did care enough to order this mass shredding.[/align]

[align=left]We are told by the government to make our lives completely transparent or go to jail while the government itself becomes more secretive than ever before.[/align]

[align=left]Why should they know everything about me when they won't tell me anything about them?[/align]

[align=left]Would you walk up to a gang of criminals and give them your credit card and PIN number?[/align]

[align=left]2) The government told us that the ID card would make our information more secure. Blair said this would protect, not infringe our liberties. And how did they propose paying for it? By selling the information of 44 million British citizens to private companies. How secure is that?[/align]

[align=left]3) As a perspective on how governing powers use ID cards, consider the fact that residents of Fallujah in Iraq were finger scanned, given retina scans and ID cards just to be able to leave and enter the village. Every citizen is treated as a potential insurgent and is given an ID card. Is that how our government views us all, as potential insurgents?[/align]

[align=left]So, what do you have to hide? is the wrong question. The question should be, why does the government need to know everything about me?[/align]

[align=left]4) ID cards will not stop terrorism. Even the Home Secretary Charles Clarke admitted it after the London bombings. In addition, the Blair government has been caught faking terror alerts to push through increased power. Firstly in the case of the Ricin plot that never was and also an attack on Canary Wharf which was admitted to be totally scripted. Furthermore, the so-called London bombing mastermind was an MI6 asset. Reams of evidence point to the bombings being an inside job, one of the purposes of which was making British people accept ID cards. Large scale terrorist atrocities worldwide always lead back to government perpetrators. In this instance it is important to recall Herman Goering's quote,[/align]

[align=left]"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger." [/align]

[align=left]5) Top criminologists have gone public to say that ID cards will actually result in an increase in identity theft, not a decrease as the government claims.[/align]

[align=left]6) The introduction of the national ID card is one step further towards the mandatory implantation of ID chips in all British citizens. Does this sound outlandish? Implantable chip technology has been in existence for a decade and discussions on ID chipping humans is in the news regularly. Tommy Thompson, the former Health and Human Services Secretary in the Bush administration, had a chip implanted and is now touring the country lauding the virtues of ID chips. During the the confirmation hearings for John Roberts Jr., George W. Bush's nominee for Supreme Court chief justice, Roberts was questioned by Senator Joseph R. Biden on whether he would rule against a mandatory implantable microchip to track American citizens.[/align]

[align=left]7) The purpose of government is to serve the people, not control them. Any scheme of national registration is alien to the basic fundamental principles of a supposed free country.[/align]

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[align=left]Related: Say No To National ID[/align]

This great song from renowned British artist Ian Brown is a well crafted tirade against the introduction of national ID cards.

Related: http://www.no2id.net

Related: http://www.nocards.org/

great post, pisshead.


i still dont understand why anyone would want a chip in them. and why isnt the christian right up in arms over it? ever since i was a kid, theyve tried to brainwash me into the concept of the mark of the beast.

well if the time is soon upon us, why are they being so quiet?

"Those willing to give up freedom for safety, deserve niether"
Ben Franklin

Hiya all,
long time no read.
good post.
hempity

Good post Pisshead.
These fucks still think that they can govern, and watch every part of our lives, minds, and bodies with a chip. How pitiful!

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Originally Posted by nicholasstanko

great post, pisshead.


i still dont understand why anyone would want a chip in them. and why isnt the christian right up in arms over it? ever since i was a kid, theyve tried to brainwash me into the concept of the mark of the beast.

well if the time is soon upon us, why are they being so quiet?

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Denial? It seems that with Bush as prez the conservative populous has become blind to what's happening. I think it was the same way with the liberal populous when we had Clinton. Goes to show how political parties are used to control the minds of the masses.

FAQ: How Real ID will affect you
Published: May 6, 2005, 4:00 AM PDT
By Declan McCullagh
Staff Writer, CNET News.com


What's all the fuss with the Real ID Act about?
President Bush is expected to sign an $82 billion military spending bill soon that will, in part, create electronically readable, federally approved ID cards for Americans. The House of Representatives overwhelmingly approved the package--which includes the Real ID Act--on Thursday.

What does that mean for me?
Starting three years from now, if you live or work in the United States, you'll need a federally approved ID card to travel on an airplane, open a bank account, collect Social Security payments, or take advantage of nearly any government service. Practically speaking, your driver's license likely will have to be reissued to meet federal standards.

What's new:
The House of Representatives has approved an $82 billion military spending bill with an attachment that would mandate electronically readable ID cards for Americans. President Bush is expected to sign the bill.
Bottom line:
The Real ID Act would establish what amounts to a national identity card. State drivers' licenses and other such documents would have to meet federal ID standards established by the Department of Homeland Security.

More stories on this topic
The Real ID Act hands the Department of Homeland Security the power to set these standards and determine whether state drivers' licenses and other ID cards pass muster. Only ID cards approved by Homeland Security can be accepted "for any official purpose" by the feds.

How will I get one of these new ID cards?
You'll still get one through your state motor vehicle agency, and it will likely take the place of your drivers' license. But the identification process will be more rigorous.

For instance, you'll need to bring a "photo identity document," document your birth date and address, and show that your Social Security number is what you had claimed it to be. U.S. citizens will have to prove that status, and foreigners will have to show a valid visa.

State DMVs will have to verify that these identity documents are legitimate, digitize them and store them permanently. In addition, Social Security numbers must be verified with the Social Security Administration.

What's going to be stored on this ID card?
At a minimum: name, birth date, sex, ID number, a digital photograph, address, and a "common machine-readable technology" that Homeland Security will decide on. The card must also sport "physical security features designed to prevent tampering, counterfeiting, or duplication of the document for fraudulent purposes."

Homeland Security is permitted to add additional requirements--such as a fingerprint or retinal scan--on top of those. We won't know for a while what these additional requirements will be.

Why did these ID requirements get attached to an "emergency" military spending bill?
Because it's difficult for politicians to vote against money that will go to the troops in Iraq and tsunami relief. The funds cover ammunition, weapons, tracked combat vehicles, aircraft, troop housing, death benefits, and so on.

The House already approved a standalone version of the Real ID Act in February, but by a relatively close margin of 261-161. It was expected to run into some trouble in the Senate. Now that it's part of an Iraq spending bill, senators won't want to vote against it.

What's the justification for this legislation anyway?
Its supporters say that the Real ID Act is necessary to hinder terrorists, and to follow the ID card recommendations that the 9/11 Commission made last year.

It will "hamper the ability of terrorist and criminal aliens to move freely throughout our society by requiring that all states require proof of lawful presence in the U.S. for their drivers' licenses to be accepted as identification for federal purposes such as boarding a commercial airplane, entering a federal building, or a nuclear power plant," Rep. F. James Sensenbrenner, a Wisconsin Republican, said during the debate Thursday.

You said the ID card will be electronically readable. What does that mean?
The Real ID Act says federally accepted ID cards must be "machine readable," and lets Homeland Security determine the details. That could end up being a magnetic strip, enhanced bar code, or radio frequency identification (RFID) chips.

In the past, Homeland Security has indicated it likes the concept of RFID chips. The State Department is already going to be embedding RFID devices in passports, and Homeland Security wants to issue RFID-outfitted IDs to foreign visitors who enter the country at the Mexican and Canadian borders. The agency plans to start a yearlong test of the technology in July at checkpoints in Arizona, New York and Washington state.

Will state DMVs share this information?
Yes. In exchange for federal cash, states must agree to link up their databases. Specifically, the Real ID Act says it hopes to "provide electronic access by a state to information contained in the motor vehicle databases of all other states."

Is this legislation a done deal?
Pretty much. The House of Representatives approved the package on Thursday by a vote of 368-58. Only three of the "nay" votes were Republicans; the rest were Democrats. The Senate is scheduled to vote on it next week and is expected to approve it as well.

White House spokesman Scott McClellan has told reporters "the president supports" the standalone Real ID Act, and the Bush administration has come out with an official endorsement. As far back as July 2002, the Bush administration has been talking about assisting "the states in crafting solutions to curtail the future abuse of drivers' licenses by terrorist organizations."

Who were the three Republicans who voted against it?
Reps. Howard Coble of North Carolina, John Duncan of Tennessee, and Ron Paul of Texas.

Paul has warned that the Real ID Act "establishes a national ID card" and "gives authority to the Secretary of Homeland Security to unilaterally add requirements as he sees fit."

Is this a national ID card?
It depends on whom you ask. Barry Steinhardt, director of the American Civil Liberties Union's technology and liberty program, says: "It's going to result in everyone, from the 7-Eleven store to the bank and airlines, demanding to see the ID card. They're going to scan it in. They're going to have all the data on it from the front of the card...It's going to be not just a national ID card but a national database."

At the moment, state driver's licenses aren't easy for bars, banks, airlines and so on to swipe through card readers because they're not uniform; some may have barcodes but no magnetic stripes, for instance, and some may lack both. Steinhardt predicts the federalized IDs will be a gold mine for government agencies and marketers. Also, he notes that the Supreme Court ruled last year that police can demand to see ID from law-abiding U.S. citizens.

Will it be challenged in court?
Maybe. "We're exploring whether there are any litigation possibilities here," says the ACLU's Steinhardt.

One possible legal argument would challenge any requirement for a photograph on the ID card as a violation of religious freedom. A second would argue that the legislation imposes costs on states without properly reimbursing them.

When does it take effect?
The Real ID Act takes effect "three years after the date of the enactment" of the legislation. So if the Senate and Bush give it the thumbs-up this month, its effective date would be sometime in May 2008.
http://news.com.com/FAQ+How+Real+ID+...3-5697111.html

Here's some information on this which doesn't envolve the Alex Jones twist.

*starts making a tin foil hat*

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Originally Posted by Odd Ball

*starts making a tin foil hat*

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You desire a heart?? Whoops, wizard of oz flashback! :D

this sint funny at all.

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Originally Posted by nicholasstanko

this sint funny at all.

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It's a card. Big deal. Not much more than a drivers licence but on a national data base. It'll be o.k.....big bro isn't watching that hard....YET! :D

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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

It's a card. Big deal. Not much more than a drivers licence but on a national data base. It'll be o.k.....big bro isn't watching that hard....YET! :D

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how would you know?

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Originally Posted by nicholasstanko

how would you know?

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Being the unparanoid person that I am....I'm assuming. If he is watching that close, sure hope I get residuals on the porn films I'm helping to create. :D

but why would you want that power in a corrupt and greedy govmnts hands?

Very powerful but spooky thread.

The only thing that the government should be watching is the crap that they do, they should serve us, not us serving them. But then again, I know it won't make a difference because of the control that the government has over your mind, so, stand in line and wait for more government crap with your bowl and spoon in hand. Some people like to think for theirselves, but most are either like children, or sheep, or probably a bit of both. Let the government hold your hand, and take care of you, until you get put to death.

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Originally Posted by Odd Ball

Denial? It seems that with Bush as prez the conservative populous has become blind to what's happening. I think it was the same way with the liberal populous when we had Clinton. Goes to show how political parties are used to control the minds of the masses.

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ironically, just like how religion is used in the same way.

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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

Being the unparanoid person that I am....I'm assuming. If he is watching that close, sure hope I get residuals on the porn films I'm helping to create. :D

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You won't, the cops took all my home movies when I got raided, and I haven't seen a dime. But I do have the satisfaction of knowing the pigs are jacking off to pussy I had.