California Legislature OKs gay marriage bill

SACRAMENTO, Calif. - The California Legislature on Tuesday became the first legislative body in the country to approve same-sex marriages, as gay-rights advocates overcame two earlier defeats in the Assembly.

The 41-35 vote sends the bill to Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, who had no comment on the bill when it cleared the Senate last week. His office did not immediately respond late Tuesday to a call seeking comment.

The billâ??s supporters compared the legislation to earlier civil rights campaigns, including efforts to eradicate slavery and give women the right to vote.
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Saaaayyyy ARRRNOOOLLLLDDDD. How does the big bad terminator feel about this????
BWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! :D

Don't get the wrong idea....I personally don't really give a crap! This should be national though instead of state. Just for S.S. benifits, retirement plans, etc..... You may have that law in California but if your companies main office is in Iowa your pension plan, etc...woudn't go in the direction of "your heart"?.?....??......? :eek: ????

Anyone else see a rise of HiV in california soon?

I'm a Californian, live in the San Francisco area, and I'm all for it. I'm not gay, I'm happily married but am pro gay marraige for two main reasons.

First-I really hate when other, mostly conservative Christian types, try to tell other people how they should live based on their values. Frankly, its none of my business if a gay couple wants to get married. Doesn't matter if I approve or not.

Second- Just a little over 40 years ago my marriage would have been illegal in some states. I'm white and my wife is Asain and if this were 1960 and I lived in Virginia I could be sent to jail for miscegenation. The same arguments of "it's not natural" and "its against God's plan" would be used. Fuck that. I don't really see my position 40 years ago as that different from homosexual couple position now.

Bottom line is it doesn't change my life one way or another if they get married. If it makes them happy why not?

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Anyone else see a rise of HiV in california soon?

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This is one of the most idiotic statements I've seen on this board. Hmmn, is someone a bit homophobic? :rolleyes:

If you think about it, this might cause a decrease in the transmission of HIV. HIV is transmitted by casual sex with a lot of different people. Not by sex with one person in a legally binding monogamous relationship. Duh..

Woohoo! It's always nice to see institutionalized homophobia crumbling.

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This is one of the most idiotic statements I've seen on this board. Hmmn, is someone a bit homophobic? :rolleyes:

If you think about it, this might cause a decrease in the transmission of HIV. HIV is transmitted by casual sex with a lot of different people. Not by sex with one person in a legally binding monogamous relationship. Duh..

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No, haven't you heard? If your state tolerates same-sex marriage, you will turn gay and have sex with lots of men and rip apart the social fabric of society and make baby Jesus cry. I mean, just look at the moral state of ruin in the places where it's been legalized: Canada, Belgium, the Netherlands, Spain...Oh wait, what? Those are peaceful industrialized societies that haven't broken down? Forget it then.

how about the government gets out of marriage all together? it's none of their business to begin with...that would be the true conservative view...not the giant government 3+ trillion dollar budget "conservative" government we have now...

yet we grovel to them and beg and plead for these rights, as if they are the arbitor of them...

marriage license? does anyone else think that's not really freedom...fuck the license...it has nothing to do with being licensed or the government. it's all these little tricks government use to get you under their control, even the difference between "the united states" and the "the united states of America"...one is a corporation.

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how about the government gets out of marriage all together? it's none of their business to begin with...that would be the true conservative view...not the giant government 3+ trillion dollar budget "conservative" government we have now...

yet we grovel to them and beg and plead for these rights, as if they are the arbitor of them...

marriage license? does anyone else think that's not really freedom...fuck the license...it has nothing to do with being licensed or the government. it's all these little tricks government use to get you under their control, even the difference between "the united states" and the "the united states of America"...one is a corporation.

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I'll agree with the first sentance and that's about it! Fuck the license? What about health care benifits for spouses, SSI, etc.... All these "marriage" privs lost because the government doesn't recognize the marriage. Fuck it right??

Well, why should married couples receive those benefits but not unmarried couples? You shouldn't be forced to make a vow of monogamy to get them if you don't want to.

Fuck it right??

yes.

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Well, why should married couples receive those benefits but not unmarried couples? You shouldn't be forced to make a vow of monogamy to get them if you don't want to.

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You know how much that would cost employers to sponsor health care if all ya had to do was have someone move in to your house?
The "norm" married couple also involves kids....another reason for the health care, ssi thing.
How could anybody detect fraud. You find out you have 6 months left to live and have some chick with 4 kids move in, should she be entitled to SSI and health care benefits because you said what the fuck?

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You know how much that would cost employers to sponsor health care if all ya had to do was have someone move in to your house?

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Do you know how much money employers have? A lot more than the rest of society. As long as the capitalists are exploiting us and making all this money off our labor, I think we need to demand everything we can get back in return until we can defeat them. The more value we can get out of our stolen labor, the better.

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The "norm" married couple also involves kids....another reason for the health care, ssi thing.

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So do lots of unmarried couples. The relationship between the parents isn't what is important. It's the kids.

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How could anybody detect fraud. You find out you have 6 months left to live and have some chick with 4 kids move in, should she be entitled to SSI and health care benefits because you said what the fuck?

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Well, there aren't too many people who know they have only 6 months left to live, so I wouldn't worry about that particular scenario becoming widespread. And if they were really devoted to committing this fraud under the current rules, I'm sure they could easily arrange a cheap sham wedding. And besides, the only reason people need special "health care benefits" is because capitalism only provides medical service to those who can afford it, which is truly a shame. We have the physical ability to treat everybody's medical conditions the same no matter what class they're in, but poor people die all the time because they were born into poverty and the capitalists in charge think it's okay to deny them medical service because of that.

the unconstitutional federal reserve is the root of poverty...it was designed to create poverty, which obviously creates crime, which is a real good problem for the government to step in and resolve, which only makes the problem worse.

war on drugs, more drugs...war on poverty, more poverty...war on terror, more terror...war on illiteracy, more illiteracy. in the government's eyes this is success. this is what they want. whatever we claim a war on, the feds say "we can solve that!"...let us just take some of your rights, so we can protect you better.

history shows what happens to those kinds of societies eventually.

that's our problem.

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Do you know how much money employers have? A lot more than the rest of society. As long as the capitalists are exploiting us and making all this money off our labor, I think we need to demand everything we can get back in return until we can defeat them. The more value we can get out of our stolen labor, the better.

You think Mr. Big is going to take a hit? Hell no!!! He'll role the cost back to you with a price hike on the goods. You can pay for it, I really don't want to.

So do lots of unmarried couples. The relationship between the parents isn't what is important. It's the kids.

And the kids are entitled to the health care that the other parent has, but not the partner.

Well, there aren't too many people who know they have only 6 months left to live, so I wouldn't worry about that particular scenario becoming widespread. And if they were really devoted to committing this fraud under the current rules, I'm sure they could easily arrange a cheap sham wedding. And besides, the only reason people need special "health care benefits" is because capitalism only provides medical service to those who can afford it, which is truly a shame. We have the physical ability to treat everybody's medical conditions the same no matter what class they're in, but poor people die all the time because they were born into poverty and the capitalists in charge think it's okay to deny them medical service because of that.

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I work in a hospital, don't even try to tell me that very few know how long they have left. I just buried a good friend two weeks back that was informed just that back in October of last year. R.I.P. Cherokee!!!He was a hell of a good man!!!

Why is it that advancements in gay rights and fascist deaths happen at about the same time?

Strom "Sir Lynch-a-Lot" Thurmond died the same week as the USSC's Lawrence V. Texas decision, and now William RehnKKKuist has joined him in Hell.

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This is one of the most idiotic statements I've seen on this board. Hmmn, is someone a bit homophobic? :rolleyes:

If you think about it, this might cause a decrease in the transmission of HIV. HIV is transmitted by casual sex with a lot of different people. Not by sex with one person in a legally binding monogamous relationship. Duh..

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you know that that's makor, right?