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Troops begin combat operations in New Orleans to fight 'insurgents'
Troops begin combat operations in New Orleans to fight 'insurgents'
Joseph R. Chenelly/Army Times | September 4 2005
NEW ORLEANS ?? Combat operations are underway on the streets ??to take this city back? in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.
??This place is going to look like Little Somalia,? Brig. Gen. Gary Jones, commander of the Louisiana National Guard??s Joint Task Force told Army Times Friday as hundreds of armed troops under his charge prepared to launch a massive citywide security mission from a staging area outside the Louisiana Superdome. ??We??re going to go out and take this city back. This will be a combat operation to get this city under control.?
Jones said the military first needs to establish security throughout the city. Military and police officials have said there are several large areas of the city are in a full state of anarchy.
Dozens of military trucks and up-armored Humvees left the staging area just after 11 a.m. Friday, while hundreds more troops arrived at the same staging area in the city via Black Hawk and Chinook helicopters.
??We??re here to do whatever they need us to do,? Sgt. 1st Class Ron Dixon, of the Oklahoma National Guard??s 1345th Transportation Company. ??We packed to stay as long as it takes.?
While some fight the insurgency in the city, other carry on with rescue and evacuation operations. Helicopters are still pulling hundreds of stranded people from rooftops of flooded homes.
Army, Air Force, Navy, Marine Corps, Coast Guard and police helicopters filled the city sky Friday morning. Most had armed soldiers manning the doors. According to Petty Officer 3rd Class Jeremy Grishamn, a spokesman for the amphibious assault ship Bataan, the vessel kept its helicopters at sea Thursday night after several military helicopters reported being shot at from the ground.
Numerous soldiers also told Army Times that they have been shot at by armed civilians in New Orleans. Spokesmen for the Joint Task Force Headquarters at the Superdome were unaware of any servicemen being wounded in the streets, although one soldier is recovering from a gunshot wound sustained during a struggle with a civilian in the dome Wednesday night.
??I never thought that at a National Guardsman I would be shot at by other Americans,? said Spc. Philip Baccus of the 527th Engineer Battalion. ??And I never thought I??d have to carry a rifle when on a hurricane relief mission. This is a disgrace.?
Spc. Cliff Ferguson of the 527th Engineer Battalion pointed out that he knows there are plenty of decent people in New Orleans, but he said it is hard to stay motivated considering the circumstances.
??This is making a lot of us think about not reenlisting.? Ferguson said. ??You have to think about whether it is worth risking your neck for someone who will turn around and shoot at you. We didn??t come here to fight a war. We came here to help.?
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Troops begin combat operations in New Orleans to fight 'insurgents'
The Military Is Frisking Little Children Before Rescuing Them
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A reader has reported that on watching ABC World News This Weekend and they showed footage of a black family being rescued from some highway above the waters and put on a military helicopter.
But before the family was allowed inside, everyone was frisked -- including a little boy that was maybe ten years old! ABC assured us that military leaders insisted this was necessary. Yes, everyone standing politely by and waiting to be rescued needs to be treated like a criminal and frisked.
Is there one example of someone asking to be rescued who then turned on their rescuers? No. Is there anyone who thinks a little 10 year old boy hungry and crying IS A SECURITY RISK? Who lifts the old people out of their wheelchairs so they can be frisked?
Who frisks the bodies on the side of the road and floating in the water in case they've been booby-trapped? Who frisks the babies hungry for milk that might be swaddled in explosives? This is the final humilation for these poor, abandoned people.
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Troops begin combat operations in New Orleans to fight 'insurgents'
Really bad timing for this type of bullshit, don't ya think? Fact is, there were gang bangers out there stopping relief efforts. SHOOT TO KILL!! Let God sort em' out!!!
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Troops begin combat operations in New Orleans to fight 'insurgents'
yeah!!! shoot those kids, too!!!
it's never a bad time to talk about kids being frisked...but i forgot, this is America, where we have freedom, right?
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Troops begin combat operations in New Orleans to fight 'insurgents'
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Originally Posted by pisshead
yeah!!! shoot those kids, too!!!
it's never a bad time to talk about kids being frisked...but i forgot, this is America, where we have freedom, right?
If their packin a pistol....BANG BANG LIL' GANG BANG!!! :D
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Troops begin combat operations in New Orleans to fight 'insurgents'
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it's never a bad time to talk about kids being frisked...but i forgot, this is America, where we have freedom, right?
Pisshead, they consider children to be potential threats in Iraq and nobody seems to complain. Listen, people who grow up to be gangsters learn the lifestyle from an early age. It's not unusual for a gangbanger going to jail to leave his piece with a younger brother for safekeeping until he returns.
Besides, if I'm a Guardsman in New Orleans, I'd be saying, "This situation is already effed up. Snipers are shooting at people trying to evacuate a hospital, for God's sake!" The soldier in the article said it best - they're supposed to be helping people, not worrying about getting shot. Every precaution is necessary to ensure the safety of our soldiers so they can get back to helping the refugees. Searching isn't hurting anybody's rights.
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Troops begin combat operations in New Orleans to fight 'insurgents'
Just think if they can crack down like this in New Orleans What if theres a "terrorist situation" in your city the national guard should not be allowed to police cities in this way have they declared martial law down there even cuase that is what this is..
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Troops begin combat operations in New Orleans to fight 'insurgents'
i agree. we've gone from give me liberty or give me death, watch the government like a hawk, it's there to serve you...to, okay government, i trust you, take my rights away and keep me safe please...and let's call them officials and authorities...
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Troops begin combat operations in New Orleans to fight 'insurgents'
sgt. pepper has a point, but it;s a bad precedent to set when soldiers search people that have been suffering.
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Troops begin combat operations in New Orleans to fight 'insurgents'
It sucks, nic, but it's necessary.
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Troops begin combat operations in New Orleans to fight 'insurgents'
somethings fishy about this "sniper" business. everytime i flip on the television i always hear about snipers and people shooting engineers on bridges...but i always hear that from some official or government agent....i havnt seen ANY hurricane survivors say the same thing...only the normal one or two murders for food and rapings...
if someone has heard this then let me know...but something just isnt right.
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Troops begin combat operations in New Orleans to fight 'insurgents'
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Originally Posted by nicholasstanko
somethings fishy about this "sniper" business. everytime i flip on the television i always hear about snipers and people shooting engineers on bridges...but i always hear that from some official or government agent....i havnt seen ANY hurricane survivors say the same thing...only the normal one or two murders for food and rapings...
if someone has heard this then let me know...but something just isnt right.
Wouldn't that be quite the interview!
Geraldo: Hey you, yah you with the blue hood....did you see anything on the bridge?
Gang Bang: Yo, YO, Geraldo! Me and my boyz was just chillin with a 40 and a popper and these dudes sprayed some lead on us. Maaaaaaaaaan , we waz just tryin' to knock down some pigeons and the man got allll bent out of shape!
BWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!! :D
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Troops begin combat operations in New Orleans to fight 'insurgents'
hahaha,they popped 5 yesterday and killed them.take notice looters,YOU WILL BE SHOT IN THE SOUTH.god i love that shit.
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Troops begin combat operations in New Orleans to fight 'insurgents'
if this happened in New York they would be trying to have a big hug!
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Troops begin combat operations in New Orleans to fight 'insurgents'
i like how the neo-cons like the war analogy this NATURAL disaster is taking on...the military will come out as the heroes for them, they'll eat up the anti-sovereignty, pro-martial law propaganda...and they really love, after bush and his pals were done partying last week, literally...then show up for staged photo-ops...they love fakeness, they need some 'official' and 'authority' to associate their petty power with...and they're getting tyranny in the process, but they don't care.
the military has just got to confiscate American citizen firearms too...some guy shot off a gun!!! more than half of the police have just quit...and the others have shown that they're not there to protect anyone...so here's a great idea! let's disarm everyone! that'll work, always has.
all these analogies of war and armies is just sickening...the neo-cons have shown themselves to be the most anti-american and anti-constitution here...as if the only way to deal with anything is to send in the fucking military...that's not freedom...unless freedom is slavery, and war is peace, and ignorance is strength...
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Troops begin combat operations in New Orleans to fight 'insurgents'
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Originally Posted by pisshead
all these analogies of war and armies is just sickening...the neo-cons have shown themselves to be the most anti-american and anti-constitution here...as if the only way to deal with anything is to send in the fucking military...that's not freedom...unless freedom is slavery, and war is peace, and ignorance is strength...
I agree Pisshead. The gang bangers have a RIGHT to terrorize the population during a time of disaster. What in the hell is America coming to when the fucking military disarms people that try to get in the way of rescue efforts!!! These people have the RIGHT to be assholes!!! :rolleyes:
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Troops begin combat operations in New Orleans to fight 'insurgents'
ahhh, yes, they are terrorists! now we can prosecute them under the patriot, which i'm sure you just can't wait to happen...until you get caught for something that's handled under the patriot act of course...
making guns illegal keeps you safe! you heard it from freedom loving psycho4bud. and that's totally constitutional too, isn't it...you know...the constitution?
ahhh, fuck that, who cares, it's some old shit. government loves people now. ignoring that EVERYONE is being disarmed, and just say the're targeting who they disarm...
the cognitive dissonance getting to you again? maybe time for another happy pill...
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Troops begin combat operations in New Orleans to fight 'insurgents'
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Originally Posted by amsterdam
hahaha,they popped 5 yesterday and killed them.take notice looters,YOU WILL BE SHOT IN THE SOUTH.god i love that shit.
Fuck, man. That's just fucking sick. I bet you love seeing your beloved National Guard pop off a few darkies, huh?
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Troops begin combat operations in New Orleans to fight 'insurgents'
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Originally Posted by pisshead
ahhh, yes, they are terrorists! now we can prosecute them under the patriot, which i'm sure you just can't wait to happen...until you get caught for something that's handled under the patriot act of course...
making guns illegal keeps you safe! you heard it from freedom loving psycho4bud. and that's totally constitutional too, isn't it...you know...the constitution?
ahhh, fuck that, who cares, it's some old shit. government loves people now. ignoring that EVERYONE is being disarmed, and just say the're targeting who they disarm...
the cognitive dissonance getting to you again? maybe time for another happy pill...
Now damn Pisshead! Use your head! You got a group of gang bangers with pistols, rifles, etc...walkin' the streets of New Orleans right now you don't believe that they should be disarmed or shot? Hell ya, the bangers need a city of their own.....lets give the bangers of the United States New Orleans for x-mas!!!
Think of the rights of the masses before your precious gang banger friends. :D
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Troops begin combat operations in New Orleans to fight 'insurgents'
nope, sorry, still doesn't make me think everyone should be disarmed because there are gangs shooting...
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Troops begin combat operations in New Orleans to fight 'insurgents'
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Originally Posted by pisshead
nope, sorry, still doesn't make me think everyone should be disarmed because there are gangs shooting...
You know my friend, there is only one logical response to this!! :D
BWWWWWAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!! :D
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Troops begin combat operations in New Orleans to fight 'insurgents'
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Originally Posted by amsterdam
if this happened in New York they would be trying to have a big hug!
300 police officers and 300 firefighters, from New York City, were dispatched today to help in the areas that need assistance. According to NYC Mayor Michael Bloomberg, more will be sent if needed.
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Originally Posted by amsterdam
hahaha,they popped 5 yesterday and killed them.take notice looters,YOU WILL BE SHOT IN THE SOUTH.god i love that shit.
lol, youre so fucking indoctrined that you didnt bother to follow-up on the story.
it's now being reported that the five killed by police were army engineers...not army engineers being fired upon.
i dont know how it happened but it was reported on reuters.
im still waiting for you to tell me about the great and wonderful patriot act.
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Troops begin combat operations in New Orleans to fight 'insurgents'
only if you read it at a .org site though, right amsterdam?
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Troops begin combat operations in New Orleans to fight 'insurgents'
Your all wrong!
BWWWWAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!! :cool:
New Orleans - New Orleans police killed four looters who had opened fire on them on Sunday as rescue teams scoured homes and toxic waters flooding streets to find survivors and recover thousands of bloated corpses.
A fifth looter was in critical condition but no more details were available about the incident in a city where authorities are slowly regaining control after a wave of looting, murders and rapes in the wake of Hurricane Katrina.
"Five men who were looting exchanged gunfire with police. The officers engaged the looters when they were fired upon," said New Orleans Police Superintendent Steven Nichols.
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_i...07313B236#jump
US Army Corps of Engineers contractors working on a levee breach were fired on by gunmen but no one was hurt, said the corps' Mike Rogers. It was not clear if the two incidents were connected.
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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
Your all wrong!
BWWWWAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!! :cool:
New Orleans - New Orleans police killed four looters who had opened fire on them on Sunday as rescue teams scoured homes and toxic waters flooding streets to find survivors and recover thousands of bloated corpses.
A fifth looter was in critical condition but no more details were available about the incident in a city where authorities are slowly regaining control after a wave of looting, murders and rapes in the wake of Hurricane Katrina.
"Five men who were looting exchanged gunfire with police. The officers engaged the looters when they were fired upon," said New Orleans Police Superintendent Steven Nichols.
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_i...07313B236#jump
US Army Corps of Engineers contractors working on a levee breach were fired on by gunmen but no one was hurt, said the corps' Mike Rogers. It was not clear if the two incidents were connected.
AW man! thanks psycho!
Whew! im glad i didnt bother to think for myself!
i almost woulda caught on to the fact that its a fucking SOUTH AFRICAN website where the time difference is off only by about SIX HOURS or so!
even though i got my feed just this morning from not only reuters but american journalistic syndication as well!
but fuck that, south africans know everything...i mean theyve advanced wonderfully when it comes to the information super-highway! i bet their techies update every ten minutes or so!
mmm...all that sarcasm made me thirsty....where's the grape kool-aid....
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Troops begin combat operations in New Orleans to fight 'insurgents'
I don't know if they're there to "fight insurgents" or whatever. But I do worry that we may really, really be stretched too thin now. W. ordered 51,000 troops to LA, AL and MS on top of the 150,000 or so in Iraq, how ever many are still in Afghanistan and the permanent garrisons and S. Korea, Germany and Japan.
Makes me wonder who's got our backs if the shit goes down.
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Troops begin combat operations in New Orleans to fight 'insurgents'
our government has said they have foreign assets prepared to help out if they need be...of course they've been training with foreign troops for years to do what they're doing in new orleans...forcing people to leave/disarming people...imagine foreign troops shooting at american citizens...
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Troops begin combat operations in New Orleans to fight 'insurgents'
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Originally Posted by nicholasstanko
AW man! thanks psycho!
Whew! im glad i didnt bother to think for myself!
i almost woulda caught on to the fact that its a fucking SOUTH AFRICAN website where the time difference is off only by about SIX HOURS or so!
even though i got my feed just this morning from not only reuters but american journalistic syndication as well!
but fuck that, south africans know everything...i mean theyve advanced wonderfully when it comes to the information super-highway! i bet their techies update every ten minutes or so!
mmm...all that sarcasm made me thirsty....where's the grape kool-aid....
Just as long as you see the error in your ways. DON'T LET IT HAPPEN AGAIN!! :D
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Troops begin combat operations in New Orleans to fight 'insurgents'
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Originally Posted by nicholasstanko
AW man! thanks psycho!
Whew! im glad i didnt bother to think for myself!
i almost woulda caught on to the fact that its a fucking SOUTH AFRICAN website where the time difference is off only by about SIX HOURS or so!
even though i got my feed just this morning from not only reuters but american journalistic syndication as well!
but fuck that, south africans know everything...i mean theyve advanced wonderfully when it comes to the information super-highway! i bet their techies update every ten minutes or so!
mmm...all that sarcasm made me thirsty....where's the grape kool-aid....
And heeeerrrrrres Reuters!!
NEW ORLEANS, Sept 4 (Reuters) - New Orleans police killed four looters who had opened fire on them on Sunday as rescue teams scoured homes and toxic waters flooding streets to find survivors and recover thousands of bloated corpses.
A fifth looter was in critical condition but no more details were available about the incident in a city where authorities are slowly regaining control after a wave of looting, murders and rapes in the wake of Hurricane Katrina.
"Five men who were looting exchanged gunfire with police. The officers engaged the looters when they were fired upon," said New Orleans superintendent of police, Steven Nichols.
U.S. Army Corps of Engineers contractors working on a levee breach were fired on by gunmen but no one was hurt, said the Corps' Mike Rogers. It was not clear if the two incidents were connected.
http://today.reuters.com/business/newsarticle.aspx?type=tnBusinessNews&storyID=nN046 35059&imageid=2005-09-05T011838Z_01_NOS198_RTRIDSP_2_KATRINA-EVACAUTION.jpg&cap=An%20improvised%20grave%20marks %20the%20body%20of%20a%20woman%20on%20a%20street%2 0in%20the%20aftermath%20of%20Hurricane%20Katrina,% 20New%20Orleans,%20Louisiana,%20September%204,%202 005.%20Efforts%20to%20evacuate%20the%20remainder%2 0of%20New%20Orleans'%20weary%20population%20met%20 with%20some%20resistance%20on%20Sunday%20as%20resi dents%20in%20areas%20less%20affected%20by%20Hurric ane%20Katrina%20refused%20to%20leave%20their%20hom es%20and%20businesses.%20%20%20%20REUTERS/Shannon%20Stapleton
That'll teach ya not to keep up on the South African news front!! :D
BWWWWAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!! :D
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Troops begin combat operations in New Orleans to fight 'insurgents'
howd you fake all that bud, nich said your wrong, so you are. so you must have faked that website? Im so confused.....
here is a link to this so called "reuters" website. yours was kinda long as fuck pb lol. They are probably ran by bush though!
http://tinyurl.com/acopj
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Troops begin combat operations in New Orleans to fight 'insurgents'
Pisshead-You love to show us articles from all of your conspiracy websites but you never give any alternatives to the "outrages" you are so against. In this case, from what I have heard, it is pretty much total chaos in New Orleans. On my local news last night they were interviewing a family who had gotten out and were now staying with familiy here in California. According to them it was complete anarchy, even in the evacuation centers. The strong were preying on the weak, taking what they wanted, raping women in front of their kids, etc. The police had simply given up in fear of their own lives.
So, given this type of situation, what is the alternative to sending in the National Guard? Should they just let the people down there play Lord of the Flies until they kill each other off, taking rescue workers with them? Come on Pisshead, let's hear what you would do...
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Troops begin combat operations in New Orleans to fight 'insurgents'
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Originally Posted by pisshead
our government has said they have foreign assets prepared to help out if they need be...of course they've been training with foreign troops for years to do what they're doing in new orleans...forcing people to leave/disarming people...imagine foreign troops shooting at american citizens...
what flag do you fly?
ive never seen anything but anti american goverment shit from you
i dont like what they do or how they do it or who they do it too
but i truly believe you are just anti american anything.
if in a situation like that i would want the troops stopping rapes and murder and robbery,protect my mom and sisters,and anyone else being victimized
they didnt invade it to controll anything but the peace.,
they will install peace or kill everyone there not wanting peace
so be it
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Troops begin combat operations in New Orleans to fight 'insurgents'
To fengzi and NWM.
And where were those fucking troops before things went to shit?
what were they doing in the week before they were called when they were ready to go?
where were they in the four days after the storm?
they were sent in after everyone sunk into despair and chaos.
now when people really need them, they roll in, triumphant champions of liberty.
pisshead wasnt being anti-american...he pointed out the troops were sent in to put down rabid dogs after they had been left starving for a few days.
you guys can sit there completely comfortable in front of your screen, and youre pretty sure you wouldnt descend into madness after a few days...but im willing to bet you guys have had a hell of a lot better life than 2/3's of those people.
what would you be like if the government spat on you for your entire life and abandoned you after a crisis? you dont have any communication so you dont know that help is even coming at all.
it's easy to judge others...its harder to emphasize.
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Troops begin combat operations in New Orleans to fight 'insurgents'
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Originally Posted by nicholasstanko
it's easy to judge others...its harder to emphasize.
GOD DAMN!!! You almost brought a tear to my eye!
My only problem with pissheads statements is that he is, no matter what, against disarming the bangers. I just can't understand that reasoning in this type of situation.
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Troops begin combat operations in New Orleans to fight 'insurgents'
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Originally Posted by nicholasstanko
To fengzi and NWM.
And where were those fucking troops before things went to shit?
what were they doing in the week before they were called when they were ready to go?
where were they in the four days after the storm?
they were sent in after everyone sunk into despair and chaos.
now when people really need them, they roll in, triumphant champions of liberty..
The issue isn't about the govt's response. I think everyone (well...maybe not Amsterdam) agrees that the govt's response to the tragedy has been incredibly poor. Hell, that's an understatment. It's been a fucking joke and just goes to show how poor a leader GW really is.
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Originally Posted by nicholasstanko
pisshead wasnt being anti-american...he pointed out the troops were sent in to put down rabid dogs after they had been left starving for a few days.
Come on Nich, you've been around long enough to know this isn't what Pisshead was pointing out. Pisshead was implying that TROOPS were sent in to put down HELPLESS cistizens. Pisshead has a problem ANY time ANY govt employee takes ANY action angainst ANYONE. If the National Guard had gone in immediately he would have had a problem. No matter what the govt's response he would have had a problem with the National Guard going in. Then he would come up with some crazy ass theory about our govt planning on asking Chinese troops to come in to police New Orleans. It's just typical Pisshead shit.
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Originally Posted by nicholasstanko
you guys can sit there completely comfortable in front of your screen, and youre pretty sure you wouldnt descend into madness after a few days...but im willing to bet you guys have had a hell of a lot better life than 2/3's of those people.
what would you be like if the government spat on you for your entire life and abandoned you after a crisis? you dont have any communication so you dont know that help is even coming at all.
it's easy to judge others...its harder to emphasize.
I know I have a better life than 2/3's of those people. I also work my ass off for it but that's not the point. Not everyone in New Orleans is looting, raping, and acting like a fucking animal. The people in question are not reacting to a tragic situation, they are taking advantage of it and that shouldn't be tolerated. And they don't need a tragedy, they're the same ones who go looting when their favorite basketball team loses, or wins.
Oh yeah, the word is empathize
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Originally Posted by NowhereMan
what flag do you fly?
ive never seen anything but anti american goverment shit from you
i dont like what they do or how they do it or who they do it too
but i truly believe you are just anti american anything.
if in a situation like that i would want the troops stopping rapes and murder and robbery,protect my mom and sisters,and anyone else being victimized
they didnt invade it to controll anything but the peace.,
they will install peace or kill everyone there not wanting peace
so be it
america isn't its government. i'm the most pro-constitution person you'll ever meet. what i see coming from the government currently and over the last 150 years, is a systematic unraveling of the republic, in favor of a military/corporate/media industrial complex dictatorship.
"they didnt invade it to controll anything but the peace.,
they will install peace or kill everyone there not wanting peace
so be it..."
if you don't see the doublethink in that...i don't know what else to say to you.
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Originally Posted by pisshead
america isn't its government. i'm the most pro-constitution person you'll ever meet. what i see coming from the government currently and over the last 150 years, is a systematic unraveling of the republic, in favor of a military/corporate/media industrial complex dictatorship.
"they didnt invade it to controll anything but the peace.,
they will install peace or kill everyone there not wanting peace
so be it..."
if you don't see the doublethink in that...i don't know what else to say to you.
If the government moves in with relief efforts, they're taking control and looking to create the military industrial complex.
If the government does nothing they don't give a fuck about the people.
My ex-wife used to have these times of month.....DUDE, you better have that shit checked out. They might just have a shot for that...watch out for the implant chip though!!!
And you talk of "doublethink"?
BWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!! :D
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Troops begin combat operations in New Orleans to fight 'insurgents'
Pisshead, I'm still waiting for your suggestion for what the govt, or anybody for that matter, should do about lawlessness in New Orleans. Or is it all(including the hurricane) a myth created by the government so they could round up all the poor people in that part of the country, destroy thier homes and lives, and implant them with the chip?
