My dad killed somone

My dads an officer in the national guard and he got called in yesterday. Hes one of the 1300 there. Sad thing is He and his Partner had to shoot 2 kids in their 20's just today. You might see this on the news actually. They got shoot to kill order. He said 2 guys were walking into a gun shop with guns in theire hand. My dad fired a warning shot telling them to get down and put their gun down. ONe of the guys ran and the other pointed the gun at him so he had to shoot him. While his partner checked the shot man my dad ran after the 2nd man. That guy turned around and shot at him while running towards another man and his son. Dad couldnt risk him runnin toward him so he shot him dead in the chest.
Pretty fucking sad wat thes assholes are doing. Its a disaster and ppl should help one another and not shoot a soldiers there to protect them.

damn, thats fucked up

Wow. I applaud your father for being there in the first place. And respect his ability to do what needed to be done. He must be living a million feelings right now, having to kill some of his own countrymen when its not even a declared war. I know he had a duty to do , but so did those coward cops handing in their badges and fleeing.
He took his duty seriously and because of his bravery and balls there are two less dangers running the streets. Imagine those guys had stolen more guns from that store.They could have outfitted a little army and continued on a rampage.
I dont know what those two guys were planning to do in that store, I can only speculate. But it looks like your father and his partner put a quick end to a potentially horrible situation. Im a Canadian but hell man Im proud of that shit.
He's going to have some shit to deal with inside when he is able to turn his focus on delaing with it.
How do you feel about it?

He done what he was supposed to do...(his Job)..

Imo.
Looting is the lowest form of life especially at such a time of disaster.
the gun weilding tuff guys get all they deserve..

^^^Amen.

3rd coast

Very hard to understand what is going on there ,comeing from a country like Australia,.
Very fucked up shit man.

Your father probably prevented those thugs from killing innocent people. What else was he to do since they would not stop?

I'd like to be able to have guns if i live there (i'd rob a few, and some bullets lol) but not to kill people.. just 'cause i love guns haha.
Yeah, they did the right thing, and your father has a good shot (depending on distance) to be able to shoot a guy dead in the chest that was returning fire in that situation.

God bless your dad and all the other military personnel.

yeah what a fucking super hero, he was doing his job. im not cussing ur dad atall, im just saying, hes no hero.

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Originally Posted by FunkyMonkey

Wow. I applaud your father for being there in the first place. And respect his ability to do what needed to be done. He must be living a million feelings right now, having to kill some of his own countrymen when its not even a declared war. I know he had a duty to do , but so did those coward cops handing in their badges and fleeing.
He took his duty seriously and because of his bravery and balls there are two less dangers running the streets. Imagine those guys had stolen more guns from that store.They could have outfitted a little army and continued on a rampage.
I dont know what those two guys were planning to do in that store, I can only speculate. But it looks like your father and his partner put a quick end to a potentially horrible situation. Im a Canadian but hell man Im proud of that shit.
He's going to have some shit to deal with inside when he is able to turn his focus on delaing with it.
How do you feel about it?

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I think he did the right thing. first of all one of the guys was gonna shoot him so that was self defence. and the other man was running while shooting at him and he was running towards a group of people.

Do you feel it necessary to justify his actions? thousands of people are dying, your dad killed some fucker that would have killed him, given half the chance. Anybody would have done it

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Originally Posted by 3 Sheets To The Wind

Do you feel it necessary to justify his actions? thousands of people are dying, your dad killed some fucker that would have killed him, given half the chance. Anybody would have done it

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Yet the cops are turning in their badges and running like pussies.
You may simply say its 'his job' but its not as easy as that to kill one of your own. Any man who sticks his neck on the line to save other lives is a fucking hero to those he saved. It doesnt matter that he has trained for it, or ordered to do it. He saved lives with his actions.That is a hero in my book.

I'm not too keen on applauding death regardless of the situation. These are the types of victories soldiers used to keep quiet as a sign of human respect before murder given popular justification was "moral". They obviously must get control of the city back and have to use force if necessary. This I understand. I just don't think we should be so excited and happy about it.

no ones happy about it they are just saying it had to be done or it would have been worse. People that loot and shoot at hospitals and soldiers in this situation arent acting like humans and they deserve to be dead. I would shoot him withought a second thought

Your dad owns.

My dad was in nam. He owns too. Dads own.

I cant wait to be a dad.

LOL damn people u are funny

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Originally Posted by FunkyMonkey

Yet the cops are turning in their badges and running like pussies.
You may simply say its 'his job' but its not as easy as that to kill one of your own. Any man who sticks his neck on the line to save other lives is a fucking hero to those he saved. It doesnt matter that he has trained for it, or ordered to do it. He saved lives with his actions.That is a hero in my book.

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I wasn't saying he's not a hero, just saying that he doesn't need to justify what his dad did, and say he thinks it's right, nobody will think what he did is wrong, and what's done is done lol

I don't think peeople understand that it is marshal law,a basic war zone.You should feel notrhing but pride for what your father had to do to help restore order in a very dangerous place unlike any other part of the world right now IMO.This disater will change the way we as Americans look at our pampered lives.It's sad when a few idiotts exploit a horrible act of nature instead of coming together as they should.I would stil like to think in mt idealistic mind that this is a small percentage just over blown by the media's need for drama.Good Luck to your father & thank your dad for all those people who can't.Peace

What i think is where seeing a move by our government to make us accept martial law as an everyday thing. Its not right that people are still dying there. I doubt the story that this person told as well, I dont doubt that they are killing there own people. Hell they did nothing for 5 days while people where sick and dying, how do we know they were shooting at rescue workers are government been lying to us since 1913 to get all kinds of thing to happen. Walmart and all stores should have open to the public for free merchandise, people stayed behind because they were told they would lose their jobs, What percentage had no jobs/were on gov't entitlement,medical supplies could have been dropped,planks of water,food,medicine could of been drop at the superdome or the convention center. No news shows mentioned...that bodies are all over the place many being eaten by alligators, And what else is going on elsewhere, in this country and govt. That is keeping us citizens distracted.

my dad killed my innocence

There is no excuse for looting gun stores, unless htey were planning on going hunting for wild animals and providing food for people.

Your dad is a good man and you should let him know he is doing a good job on stopping these maniacs. It must be hard knowing that you took a human life, but he could have saved 10 more lives while killing off only that 1, who deserved what he got anyways. Shooting at a soldier trying to help you, what were they thinking?

Personally, I have very little remorse for what's happening down there. During this time of need, you should be helping your fellow person, not beating, robbing, raping or killing them. Taking food for suvival I can understand, but guns, TV's, and electronics? Your crack dealer is dead okay, that DVD player is fuckin useless.

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Originally Posted by Nochowderforyou

Your crack dealer is dead okay, that DVD player is fuckin useless.

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lol
how true...it does seem extremly ponitless to be taking things that you arnt actually going to be using in a long time....but i suppose they think that they are getting out of there soon.....but even then i dont think the rescuers are going to let them bring a tv with them when they are being saved...

they should just be thankful they are alive and help others who need it...fuck if you have enbough energy to break into a shop and steal shit you should be using your energy to help people who need help....

but good on your dad cause like nochowder said he could of hurt alot of innocent people.

Your dad used a gun to kill someone because they had a gun. Irony is wasted on some people.

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Originally Posted by RICVAGANAJASMOKER

God bless your dad and all the other military personnel.

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And Fuck Bush.....

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Originally Posted by 3 Sheets To The Wind

I wasn't saying he's not a hero, just saying that he doesn't need to justify what his dad did, and say he thinks it's right, nobody will think what he did is wrong, and what's done is done lol

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Sorry, My comments were misdirected. They should have been pointed towards others who are saying that its no big deal because hes just doing his job. I selected the wrong post to quote.

fuck if i were in New Orleans i'd be looting too, but i'd be robbing headshops and hookers, maybe thats just me though

Personally, New Orleans has been noted for being murder capital of the nation(world) before.Also,it's police force has been known to be crooked albiet, it has long since been cleaned up.I feel for your pops cause now he has too deal with the psychological aspects of killing someone.Obviusly he did the right thing it our context,those kids were in a dumded down reality thinking that they could get away with being lawless and gangsta gangsta,matter of fact that isn't even being true gangsta cause it was borderline retarted and definitely stupid.Tell your pop's he has got alot of moral support from this message board if you think it would make a positive difference.

wow can i buy him? i pay good.....

and did he want fries wiv that?

peace.

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Originally Posted by Kurupt3Z3

my dad killed my innocence

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then he shpould be punished!
Dont punish yourself for anything that your parents or anyone else done.
You can only be responsible for your own actions :D

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Your dad used a gun to kill someone because they had a gun. Irony is wasted on some people.

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Well said ghosttoker...

I'm sorry to hear it brrg744....

I havenâ??t heard anything about a National Guard shooting.....that would be very big news.

Could you please post a link or give me some key words to search for.

I've already tried....but I'm unsuccessful.

Thanks,

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Originally Posted by 3 Sheets To The Wind

Do you feel it necessary to justify his actions? thousands of people are dying, your dad killed some fucker that would have killed him, given half the chance. Anybody would have done it

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That's where your wrong. "'Anybody" wouldn't have done it or everybody would belong to the Guard! This Father put his ass on the line for people he doesn't even know...says a lot for the man!!!

Iâ??m not feeling right about thisâ?¦

Look brrg744â?¦. Iâ??m sorry but Iâ??m having trouble believing you and Iâ??ll tell you why.

First of all, the military doesnâ??t give â??shoot to kill ordersâ?� it doesnâ??t really work that way. What I mean is they are trained to ALWAYS shoot to kill.

They also donâ??t fire warning shotsâ?¦..itâ??s just not doneâ?¦.especially in urban areas.

If there had been a National Guard/ Civilian involved shootingâ?¦..the media would have been ALL OVER that story.

This happened about three days ago according to your postâ?¦.and I can not find one tiny single thing about ANY soldier firing upon their own countrymen (justified or otherwise.)

I have heard many reports of civilians shooting at soldiers but never the other way around.

Please post something to prove me wrongâ?¦â?¦Iâ??m not trying to be an assholeâ?¦..

I just want a reason to believe you.

http://www.ww4report.com/node/1048

A front-page story in Army Times Sept. 2, "Troops begin combat operations in New Orleans," states:

Combat operations are underway on the streets â??to take this city backâ?� in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.

â??This place is going to look like Little Somalia,â?� Brig. Gen. Gary Jones, commander of the Louisiana National Guardâ??s Joint Task Force told Army Times Friday as hundreds of armed troops under his charge prepared to launch a massive citywide security mission from a staging area outside the Louisiana Superdome. â??Weâ??re going to go out and take this city back. This will be a combat operation to get this city under control.â?�

Psycho4bud��.are you sure you want to use that link as your source�.?

http://www.ww4report.com/node/1048

If Iâ??m not mistaken that is a blogâ?¦..Did you check out that sites mission statement/ links page?

http://www.ww4report.com/mission

http://www.ww4report.com/links

And in this â??blogâ?� they actually try and site an Army Times article as a â??sourceâ?� (they know most people donâ??t follow up on sources)â?¦..

Well if you click the link to actually read that article. It says absolutely NOTHING about soldiers firing on civilians.

And if that general really said â??This place is going to look like Little Somalia,â?� than he is a fucking idiot because many U.S. service men were slaughtered in Somalia.

What the article did say however was this:

â??I never thought that at a National Guardsman I would be shot at by other Americans,â?� said Spc. Philip Baccus of the 527th Engineer Battalion. â??And I never thought Iâ??d have to carry a rifle when on a hurricane relief mission. This is a disgrace.â?�

And also this:
â??This is making a lot of us think about not reenlisting.â?� Ferguson said. â??You have to think about whether it is worth risking your neck for someone who will turn around and shoot at you. We didnâ??t come here to fight a war. We came here to help.â?�



Not trying to start a shit fight hereâ?¦..just requesting proof.

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Originally Posted by likemclever

Psycho4bud��.are you sure you want to use that link as your source�.?

http://www.ww4report.com/node/1048

If Iâ??m not mistaken that is a blogâ?¦..Did you check out that sites mission statement/ links page?

http://www.ww4report.com/mission

http://www.ww4report.com/links

And in this â??blogâ?� they actually try and site an Army Times article as a â??sourceâ?� (they know most people donâ??t follow up on sources)â?¦..

Well if you click the link to actually read that article. It says absolutely NOTHING about soldiers firing on civilians.

And if that general really said â??This place is going to look like Little Somalia,â?� than he is a fucking idiot because many U.S. service men were slaughtered in Somalia.

What the article did say however was this:

â??I never thought that at a National Guardsman I would be shot at by other Americans,â?� said Spc. Philip Baccus of the 527th Engineer Battalion. â??And I never thought Iâ??d have to carry a rifle when on a hurricane relief mission. This is a disgrace.â?�

And also this:
â??This is making a lot of us think about not reenlisting.â?� Ferguson said. â??You have to think about whether it is worth risking your neck for someone who will turn around and shoot at you. We didnâ??t come here to fight a war. We came here to help.â?�

Not trying to start a shit fight hereâ?¦..just requesting proof.

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PWNAGE.

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Originally Posted by doomfreak

PWNAGE.

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I don't know what that means...
:)


Oh I forgot to post the link to the Army Times article that the blog site "quoted"

http://www.armytimes.com/story.php?f...25-1077495.php