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Several people have reported to my wife, and myself, that when they are selected for a random bag search on Jersey's Path system, they are admitted to the train for free. This is a nice gesture, and has dramatically cut down on passengers' annoyance. I am hoping that the NYC Metropolitan Transit Authority adopts this system as well, but am not banking on it happening anytime soon, LOL. :cool:
I am curiuos to know exactly how they are getting on the train for free.Quote:
Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat
Being a commuter train, my experience is that most of the passengers are everyday traffic that have monthy if not weekly tickets.
This puts this rumor in the shit-can from my point of view.
To violate my rights by searching me without provocvation, will not be overlooked by some fake ass gesture of a free ride that I have all ready paid for in advance.
In short, if I have already paid for my ticket, how the fuck are you then going to claim today's ride is free?
Besides this totally sounds like a bullshit rumor. I cant imagine the MTA or NJT giveing anything away for free no how.
Peace.
There are no monthly, or weekly, etc., passes, or similar deals, for the PATH trains. You can buy individual passes for the full price ($1.50 a ride), or save money by buying blocks of 20 or 40 rides at a discount. You can also use a basic NYC metrocard - and your card is charged $1.50. You cannot use the "special" NYC MTA metrocards, such as those have "unlimited" rides for certain periods, in the NJ PATH - only the regular type.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marlboroman
My wife's coworker has been stopped for a bag check twice, and was allowed to enter the PATH for free both times.
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Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat
So the PATH works like the subway then.
Nice, thats the first thing I have learned today.
I however on the LIRR, have weekly and monthy tickets and still receiveing the same threat bag searches.
Greetings from LI.
Peace.
fuck that.
noone has the right to go through your private belongings terrorism or not.
its all about conditioning...theyll soon stop giving free rides to "curb the ever growing budget crisis".
think about it, a terrorist using a suicide bomb is going to let some guy search his bag...without blowing whole place up....RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT
WAKE UP PEOPLE! (not necessarily you two...just in general)
I think that I already know the answer to this question, but would you be in favor of "profiling" - as in only checking the bags of people that look likely to have a bomb? If not, then I guess that we'll all have to be considered potential suspects in the war on terror.Quote:
Originally Posted by nicholasstanko
I agree that random bag searching like this (with or without profiling) is a very lame way to do it, and is an infringement on our right to privacy. There are far better methods of destroying the terrorists, breaking the morale of al queada, and instilling fear in the hearts of those that wish us harm. Of course, many of our foreign policies will have to change drastically, as well as our dependence on foreign oil.
For now, the bag searching is not very widespread, and infrequent, so I can live with it. I use the NYC transit system, and have not yet been stopped. I used to carry a backpack, with water, walkman, books, lunch cooler, and more. I have divided those things up into smaller containers until I get on the subway, and then put everything into a fold-up larger backpack made by Eagle Creek (the "Daypack" model). This solution works for me, but is a slight inconvenience.
I like your attitude! I would rather be a little inconvenienced also if it helps to prevent something big. Unless your carrying something illegal, it shouldn't be that much of a concern.
It amazes me how you say it doesnt bother you that much, but on the same hand you have made your own work around for the situation.
I half ass want them to search me so I can tell them to fuck a sheep before handing over my things.
I think at certain degrees I am going to have to accept the things that I do not agree with, atleast until I can get off this over populated sand box for greener pastures.
And yes it doesnt happen that frequebtly I will agree with that.
However how long do you think it will be before it is common place to be searched?
I dont think it will be all that long before these sheep line up in the name of homeland security.
But by then they will already have such a high tolerance for men in camo's, if they arent in their face searching them they will be out of sight out of mind.
This is the baby steps portion of the American peoples accepting Martial Law.
When enough wake up, they will at some point be left with a choice to be made. Calm the Americans by force, or let the Goverment collapse.
And for the Yuppy, semi elite, phseudo-good-old-boy network assholes that cant possibly concieve these things happening. Guess what, your wake up is comeing so fast your head is going to ache for days while you sit and try to figure out how it was that Uncle Sam was allowed to ass fuck you, and lift your wallet, all while patting your child on the head, giveing your dog a treat, and copeing a feel off yer wife at Sunday dinner.
What will it take that class of idiot to open theirs eyes I wonder.....
My guess is you would have to affect the SUV trade to make any sort of dent in those bucket heads.
What it has come down to is a choice for us to make....
What rights are you willing to give up?
Profileing and illegal search altho two seperate issues all together both link directly to personal privacy at its garrantee by our constitution.
They have created a situation that will come to a head very soon, and it becomes clearer everyday that we will be forced to let them profile the muslims if to do nothing but get ourselves out of the search radar. But a big push will be made for profileing, homeland security budgets will be a HUGE reason I am sure.
Both of these violations of our rights will continue as long as it is beleived that there is a threat. And as long as its the same guys locking us down as telling us this threat exists, we are fucked.
When they are done fucking up the Muslim culture they will come for yours, as long as it differs from theirs, it will affect your daily life.
Then what will the Apathy lovers cling to?
What other denial tactic will they pull from the arsenal to combat logic and common sense with?
Sorry for the rant style, nothing is directed at anyone in particular, but more of a look at society in general.
Peace.
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Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat
ITS TIME TO WAKE UP PEOPLE! THIS WAS PREDICTED YEARS AGO IN THE NOVEL, "1984"!
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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
ummm hello! cannabis site! pot smokers! helloooooooooooooo! psycho are you in there!? :eek:
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Originally Posted by Marlboroman
your eyes are open man, keep smoking your pot.
Thats why ya grow your own. I drink Scotch to but I sure don't carry a bottle in my pocket.Quote:
Originally Posted by nicholasstanko
And if ya got a bag in your pocket would a person in their right mind carry it onto a transit system that does searches?
I got this as an E-mail the other day. It is NOT Robin Williams' words, except, I believe, the line about the Statue of Liberty. All in all, though, it's pretty representative of the way I feel a lot of the time.
You gotta love Robin Williams...... Even if he's nuts! Leave it to Robin Williams to come up with the perfect plan What we need now is for our UN Ambassador to stand up and repeat this message.
Robin Williams' plan....(Hard to argue with this logic!)
I see a lot of people yelling for peace but I have not heard of a plan for peace. So, here's one plan."
1..) "The US will apologize to the world for our "interference" in their affairs, past & present. You know, Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Tojo, Noriega, Milosevic, Hussein, and the rest of those 'good ole boys,' We will never "interfere" again.
2..) We will withdraw our troops from all over the world, starting with Germany, South Korea, the Middle East, and the Philippines. They don't want us there. We would station troops at our borders.
No one allowed sneaking through holes in the fence.
3..) All illegal aliens have 90 days to get their affairs together and leave. We'll give them a free trip home. After 90 days the remainder will be gathered up and deported immediately, regardless of who or where they are.. They're illegal!!! France will welcome them.
4..) All future visitors will be thoroughly checked and limited to 90 days unless given a special permit!!!!!!!! No one from a terrorist nation will be allowed in. If you don't like it there, change it yourself and don't hide here. Asylum would never be available to anyone. We don't need any more cab drivers or 7-11 cashiers.
5..) No foreign "students" over age 21. The older ones are the bombers. If they don't attend classes, they get a "D" and it's back home baby.
6..) The US will make a strong effort to become self-sufficient energy wise. This will include developing nonpolluting sources of energy but will require a temporary drilling of oil in the Alaskan wilderness. The caribou will have to cope for a while.
7..) Offer Saudi Arabia and other oil producing countries $10 a barrel! for their oil. If they don't like it, we go some place else. They can go somewhere else to sell their production. (About a week of the wells filling up the storage sites would be enough.)
8..) If there is a famine or other natural catastrophe in the world, we will not "interfere." They can pray to Allah or whomever, for seeds, rain, cement or whatever
they need. Besides most of what we give them is stolen or givento the army. The people who need it most get very little, if anything.
9..) Ship the UN Headquarters to an isolated island some place. We don't need the spies and fair weather friends here. Besides, the building would make a good homeless shelter or lockup for illegal aliens.
10.) All Americans must go to charm and beauty school. That way, no one can call us "Ugly Americans" any longer. The Language we speak is ENGLISH....learn it...or LEAVE.....
Now, isn't that a winner of a plan?
"The Statue of Liberty is no longer saying 'Give me your poor, your tired, your huddled masses.' She's got a baseball bat and she's yelling, 'You want a piece of me?' "
If you agree with the above forward it to friend.......... If not, and I would be amazed,
DELETE it !!!!!
This sounds like a very rational person wrote it - it's too bad that it makes the "Snopes" list of hoaxes because (most of) it is incorrectly attributed to Williams.
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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
yeh well scotch isnt illegal to posess as long as you aint drinkin it in public streets.
and duh psycho! thats why there shouldnt be searches, and thats why if your an ardent pot smoker you shouldnt want them to do it.
i like to smoke solo for the most part when i meditate, but i dont wanna have to worry about getting frisked if i take a little to my girls house.
If you know you MIGHT be searched on a commuter train, why carry your shit when you ride? If I were that scared I'd either drive or cab it.Quote:
Originally Posted by nicholasstanko
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Originally Posted by nicholasstanko
They are not "frisking" commuters - so, unless you are transporting a very large amount, I don't think that they will find it in your pocket, or waist-pack. You could probably throw a half-pound or so in a paper bag under your arm, and not have much cause for worry about getting caught if that's the only package you have. But, I wouldn't want to find out that I'm wrong, lol, so I'd probably take my bicycle, a cab, bus, etc.
Anyway, possession in NYC for very small amounts of pot is not a very serious offense - just a fine, in the vast majority of cases. Its wrong, but not a life sentence.
Its under 25 grams, thats considered a minor violation and handled with a summons and fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat
But with the dogs walking around as well bringing even small amounts of pot into these places would be highly ill-advised.
Peace.
I believe it was Benjamin Franklin who said, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither safety nor liberty."
Praise be to God!Quote:
Originally Posted by God
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Originally Posted by God
ALLAH AKBHAR!
Ah yes, the simple times of the 1700's. Pole Arms, Hand Guns, Shoulder Arms and Artillery. I wonder what his opinion would have been if he knew of the destructive force a backpack full of C-4 with a little anthrax would do? Ol' Ben never even knew about dynomite.Quote:
Originally Posted by God
Now ya think GOD would have questioned that! OOOOPS, All knowing...I forgot!
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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
so tell me psycho....you're a police officer going to work...you see some crazy looking middle eastern man and decide to "randomly" search him and his backpack...you find it to be full of c-4 explosives and as you look up there's a twinkle in his eye as he praises God and hits the detonator switch....
how have you made the subway transit any safer?
im really interested in hearing this one...just how have you made it safer?
this is really fucking funny...i hope youre not planning to tell me that you honestly believe that youre going to randomly search a terrorist and he'll just hand over his pack to you no questions asked? you think for a second he's going to hesitate?
lol. oh psycho...how i view your posts with reprehensive repulsion.
you say that having the police search our shit makes us safer...but i never hear you state just HOW that works...
if you dont bother to respond ill understand. plenty of room in the memory hole....
Your fictional officer's heroic ultimate sacrifice probably prevented the deaths of a significantly larger amount of people. The searches are conducted in the train station, not the train - which is where the religious lunatic intended to take his weapon to kill many times more.Quote:
Originally Posted by nicholasstanko
As I said before, the searches are just a band-aid - and not among the most efficient ways to keep terrorists at bay.
Maybe we need a good old fashioned rope-stretchin' party, broadcasted all over the whole world.
Was not the U.S. Constitution drafted in the 1700s? If one can live by those principled words, surely one can live by others of the same mind and time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
Furthermore, don't you allow the terrorists victory if the fabric of life is altered by their mere presence?
How does that work? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by nicholasstanko
Man has backpack with C-4 on a TIMER. :eek:
He gets searched! :)
Man gets busted and bomb defused!!! :D
Everybody goes home to Grey Poupon!!! :D Sounds French. :(
Granted they may be keeping us on our toes but I value the right to life. A search could save hundreds of lives. I think they'd get off more on a major kill.Quote:
Originally Posted by God
Or is it more important for you to be able to carry a bag of smoke in your pocket as compared to human life? Now I know how the REAL GOD would answer that. Remember: Thou Shalt Not Kill! :D
Including the Fourth Amendment, my friend.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
No one doubts that random searches have the potential to save lives, even if that potential is fairly remote. But even the most ardent proponent of such searches must acknowledge that they do infrige upon a citizen's liberties, which are steadily eroding, for better and for worse.
At some point, one must decide how much is too much.
Agreed. There has to be a point where the line is crossed but I don't think this is it. I'm a long haired biker so you can imagine the looks I get. If some lil' ol' lady will be more at ease to know I'm not packin' a bag of explosives when I get on a train, oh well.Quote:
Originally Posted by God
How long have we been walking through metal detectors at the airports? If there was a bomb detector or screening device it would make this an easy topic. Unfortunately there isn't.
And I too don't exactly think this crosses the line from a legal standpoint - although I think it's a waste of time and resources.
I simply feel that these sorts of minimal encroachments on civil liberties are slowly starting to add up to something that might prove quite difficult to undo once people decide that freedom is in fact that they want first and foremost.
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Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat
i somewhat disagree to an extent, sir breukelen.
thewhole point of suicide bombing is to become a martyr for the cause. to make a bloody statement. it doesnt REALLY matter if you only kill about ten or so people or 100.
and as i said before, the terrorists would just switch up their tactics. if i were a terrorist, what would stop me from setting up a connection to buy a few grenades from some ghetto and using them to toss into a gas station?
im just winging ideas out off the top of my head, but you see where im coming from? you cant stop terrorism as much as mighty america thinks its posible.
the best way to help prevent terrorism is to stop fucking around with those guys.
the funny thing is...if america used about a QUARTER of the resources used for the war, they couldve peacefully rebuilt the city and had the iraqis living like kings...bingo. let them live comfortably and without fear of being bombed and you have no reason or incentive for a suicide bomber.
most people cant get the "crazy savage" image out of their heads because of mainstream media and hollywood movies.
stop fucking around with those guys??????thats the most ridiculous thing i have ever heard.under the clinton administration we tried that and were attacked 4 times in 8 years with no real response at all.the terrorists dont care about anything except the spread of wahabbism throughout the world.
the hollywood movies and msm glorify and celebrate the bombers?they dont even like using the word terrorist.what planet do you live on?its kinda funny.
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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
what are you, five?
why would you imagine a bomb with a timer on it? terrorists very rarely use timers because they give praise to God before they go. and you'renuts if you think some suicide bomber is going to attract attention to himself by checking his watch every five minutes. geesh, im not even an expert and all it takes is common sense to realise this!
do you realise just how many bombers use deadman switches nowadays in addition to hand detonation? youll never see this on cnn because then thatd really scare americans.
yep, GREAT way to stop terrorism
Thats funny Nick. After the London attack they were talking of remote detonators and timed detonators. Shit, all these experts should just contact you!! :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by nicholasstanko
They ARE crazy savages! We saved them from the Soviets, gave them training and arms, millions in foreign aid, advisors, food, etc., and they turned around and, among other incidents, killed three thousand innocent people! What the fuck do you want us to do, send them flowers and an apology? We should have let the Rushkies have that godforsaken place and watched them kick the living shit out of the Taliban and al Quada. The biggest cash crop the Afghans had was poppies for smack, and the Saudi terrorists set up operations there. We should have nuked them on 9/12/01, and denied it. Fuck them all. I wouldn't shed one tear if every fucking one of them dropped dead tomorrow.Quote:
Originally Posted by nicholasstanko
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Originally Posted by amsterdam
Sorry buddy. just because we didnt have clinton dancing on some warship with a general inserting "mission accomplished" on the placard doesnt mean nothing was going on.
american planes still bombed the city and bases constantly. just because the hot issue of the day were presidential blowjobs, doesnt mean arabs were living in peace.
go ahead and throw just one rock at a wasps nest everyday...even a little pebble...then go and play with your new friends when they come out to see you.
you say terrorists only care about "wahabbism", but wouldnt you support christianity spreading to oppose the evil muslim regime if they had the weapons and technology instead of us? if they fell back on their religion to justify their deeds?
stop living in your make-believe pretend world where christianity does no wrong. we're not five and we're not in sunday school anymore.
do you watch movies, amsterdam? you know the funny talking pictures now in color?
youve never seen an airplane hijack movie or some film with american mercenaries/troops fighting in some brazilian jungle or arab desert? give me a break.
or maybe im wrong and they only produce films with arab women dipping their fingers in blue ink :rolleyes:
yeh...they were TALKING.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
but what kind of detonators did they determine the terrorists used?
you can make up a piteous excuse now if you'd like. maybe the next one will be on timers and thatd satisfy you, right psycho?
Dude, now thats harsh! Only the Mullahs are satisfied with that shit....man you gotta chill!!Quote:
Originally Posted by nicholasstanko
You mean we saved them from the soviets to ensure communism didnt spread and ensuring no opposition came about when it was time to pillage the regionQuote:
Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat
and when you say "gave them" training and arms...you really mean "gave osama bin laden and al-CIAda training and arms"
gave them advisors that taught them how to kill and destroy their enemies without bothering to think about what theyd do with it after the war
gave them millions in foreign aid that really turned out to be a small investment when compared to the billions/trillions to be raped in the next few years.
yes, three thousand people died...i believe it was the american military complex...but for your sake, it was 19 radical fundamentalists. About ten people organise and hold major protests in britain to keep fox hunting a legal tradition...should america start a war with them for being so cruel to animals? should the country be invaded? You couldnt do that in te states...why let them do it?
You know what the fuck i want the gov. to do? i want them to apologise to the iraqis, use whatevers left in the war bdget to stop the war and build their cities back, draft a REAL constitution with all the arab leaders on neutral territory (anyone remember switzerland), and call it a fucking day.
Sadly that wont happen because wheres the money in that? :(
We should have nuked them on 9/12/01, and denied it. Fuck them all. I wouldn't shed one tear if every fucking one of them dropped dead tomorrow
yeh dude. i cant imagine why they dislike our western ways so much. I think you're cool, breukelen, but i gotta admit. you really sound like a spoiled child. "They dont want to do it our way, so fuck them..."
I still think there's hope for the country.
no...i dont "gotta chill"Quote:
Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
id be fuckin satisfied too if i had to see my family blown to pieces in a war they had nothing to do with.
i dont like terrorists and i dont like terrorism. but you seem pretty happy to blame them for what they do, and ignore what makes them feel that way. too much pressure, psycho? you cant handle the idea that uncle sam would rather make a quick buck from his bunker than actualy do what he promises?
You ever play sports? you ever played in that one game where you got crushed by the other team and lost, but still felt satisfied getting in that one shot that blows all the other plays away, regardless of the outcome?
take another big hit, psycho. ive noticed youre just groping to whatever you can nowadays...it will come to you eventually.
after all, the constitution wasnt drawn up in a day! ;)
Well hello again Nick....just a little reminder:
Commuter Searches on the N.J. PATH System
Your concentration kind of fucks up when your out of smoke. Good luck on the search!! :D