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I ran across this today hope this helps someone
Emery Seeds has been raided by the DEA Read this at
http://www.emeryseeds.com/
http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/4483.html
I would suggest to watch where your buying from they got one iam sure there is more to come
they didn't get anybody's addresses, because emery's seed bank destoys all order information once it is filled...and I don't know if I understand you right, but you are hurting the movement by stating that emery seeds is a DEA trap, that is total Bullshit!
Howdy,
This ain't about slamming emory seeds reputation..it's about what is currently happening..and y'all best be warned ! This is serious ! Take ALL warnings in this article seriously !
Have a good one ...
I think when a person orders seeds through the mail there is a curtain level of risk we are taking and this is nothing new.
IN fact risk as been a part of the pot smokers life for as long as I've been involved.So if you feel strongly about it then do something to help!
Howdy J DOG,Quote:
Originally Posted by J DOG 6000
This ain't just about seeds ! I can't say anymore...
Have a good one ...
"Nark Emery" is more like it :D
Howdy Y'all,Quote:
Originally Posted by Torog
You best think real hard about what I'm saying..I wish that I could say more..but 'they' are watching...
Have a good one...
That's not terribly funny actually.. go readup on what Marc Emery has done for Canada's marijuana law's. Myself being from canada... and a very big supporter of Emery and his collegues.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nochowderforyou
The DEA came from the USA to get him. maybe we should call it The United SNITCHES of America instead?
Torog, dude you sound like you know some more shit thats going down.
Well it was a joke. PeaceQuote:
Originally Posted by BobBong
He just knows what everyone else is. "They" are watching. They watch what we grow, what we say, our secrets. When people blabb out their secret code for dope time, or their special stash spots, or how stealth you can keep a growroom. They are always watching. Listening to our ideas and how do you think they find these things out? Because people keep talking and revelaing everything. You told people how stealthy your room is, "they" know now too. Your secret code words for toke up time, "they" know now. We are basically helping them uncover our secrets. So watch what you say, what you post...that's all.Quote:
Originally Posted by weedracer119
Howdy,Quote:
Originally Posted by Nochowderforyou
Actually,both of y'all are right..thanx Nochowder,for pointing out things the way ya did,because you're right. Something I talked about on-line,seemed to be a part of 'their' awareness..when 'they' and I,had a recent encounter..it affected their tactical plans as to 'their' approach..and according to 'their' warning and instruction..I've already said too much....:mad:
Have a good one ...
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Originally Posted by latewood
http://www.cannabisculture.com/
http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/4483.html
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Emery Seeds has been raided by the DEA.
We are now completely out of business.
Keep up-to-date with discussion and regular information on this topic at this thread on the CC Forums.
All new warnings and tips will be posted there as they come in.
UPDATE: 5pm on Friday, August 12th
THIS IS VITALLY IMPORTANT.
When seeds were sent out in June, they took unusually long to get to people's places. Quite a lot of seed orders -- we're talking 200-300 letters here -- were being intercepted somehow, and held up.
What we believe is that the addresses on incoming mail sent to us were matched up with outgoing mail that had our return address. Those outgoing letters were sent, and held up.
Even if your seed order mail was opened, that is not enough to incriminate you for sending that letter. Nothing in our outgoing orders implies that you asked for when we're sending. Prosecution will require that those people who get the scam letter from the DEA incriminate themselves by agreeing that they wish to receive seeds, and through acknowldging the letter, prove that they asked for and paid for seeds.
It is our belief that emails sent to emeryseeds.com were insecure, and that outbound mail in June seems to have been intercepted and the information is being used to set up American and Canadian growers for raids and prosecution.
If you thought there was an unusually long delay in receiving any recent orders from the time you were aware it was sent, then it is very likely you are in danger, and should take appropriate action.
This is a regrettable discovery, and means the DEA and RCMP and perhaps other agencies are coordinating a massive round-up of both Canadians and Americans in a considerable escalation of the Drug War.
We will give you more information as it is cooberated.
DEA ENTRAPMENT AND INVESTIGATION
We would like to express concern for all American and Canadian citizens. We have received many questions from people who have received messages appearing to be from Marc Emery Direct.
These are FAKE and DANGEROUS. DO NOT RESPOND!
If you received this same type of letter shown, YOU MAY BE IN DANGER. The Government may be trying to get you to "admit" through responding that you ordered seeds.
We have NOT sent out any information to our customers, as we do not retain their records.
BE EXTREMELY CAUTIOUS. We would warn any large-scale growers to IMMEDIATELY CEASE YOUR OPERATION.
DO NOT GIVE ANY INFORMATION TO THIS GROUP! WE BELIEVE IT IS DEA TRYING TO DO A MASSIVE BUST ON GROWERS.
Be extremely cautious when dealing with marijuana seeds, and to be on the lookout for any scams or stings seeking donations or information. It might be best to refrain from buying seeds at any and all outlets and online businesses, whether in Canada or the USA. The US government and DEA are waging war, and many hundreds of people can still be implicated.
Marc Emery Direct Seeds is closed for good.
There are no refunds.
There are no records.
We have, however, managed to returned a number of orders that were in the mail boxes (the addresses provided in our catalog and online) with RTS - return to sender - in black marker on the envelope. Hopefully this means those people are not in any trouble, but we want everyone to be extra careful regardless.
Please report any scams to [email protected].
The only ways to actually contribute to our aid is through the steps outlined here.
DON'T RESPOND to any mail or email claims from anyone posing as Marc Emery Direct! We will convey all legitimate information to our people through Cannabis Culture Online and the Marc Emery Direct Seeds website.
DO NOT RESPOND TO ANY MAIL ABOUT SEEDS.
I want to clarify that the DEA took photos of the unopened envelopes in two mail box addresses, neither of which were the BCMP store or CC magazine. They were not allowed to open mail. Therefore, anyone who did not put their address anywhere on the outside of the envelope will likely not receive this DEA mail. (Please let us know if you do.)
THE DEA HAS OFFICES IN VANCOUVER. Do not think that the DEA cannot do this from within Canada. The Vancouver Police are, and I quote, "working hand in glove with the DEA" and "fully cooperating together".
There is no address given on the DEA form, but they ask you to send a Western Union or Money Gram of $100 to "SAMANTHA CHRISTIE" or "THOMAS CHAMBERS" or "SAM WOODCHUCK" etc. "in VANCOUVER". They all tell you to use the code word "SWAP". They say you should not use a PO box in your address -- the reason being, they can't search a PO box for grow ops.
WESTERN UNION HEADQUARTERS is working with the DEA. WE KNOW THIS. That's why they ask you to use it. When you send a Western Union, you have to show ID, you give your home address, phone number, location, everything the DEA needs to find you. And anyone using the key word SWAP... they'll have you right on the spot.
Let me explain why this is likely DEA, and not just a scammer.
The DEA was photographing all mail sent to the two addresses given in (a) the seed catalogue and (b) at the Emery Seeds website, respectively.
In doing so, they could record all of the return addresses on those pieces of mail, whether we picked them up (pre-raid) or not (post-raid).
Now, they can't "prove" that these pieces of mail are seed orders. They can't see inside. Maybe it's just fan mail.
What they can do is send their own mail to all of those addresses, with a letter included (the one we have posted everywhere) posing as Marc Emery Direct.
If some unsuspecting customer of ours gets that letter, they will:
a) go to Western Union or get a Money Gram to send $100 to the name of the person on the letter (of which we have three "identities" documented so far);
b) show their ID and fill out all of their personal information on the Western Union form to send payment (the $100 the letter asks for);
c) they will write down "SWAP" as their password, as insisted by the letter;
d) they will send their wire to the name on the letter -- pre-determined names set by whatever group is behind this; and
e) they will then send an email to [email protected] with:
-(i) confirmation of their order, of which we really didn't send out or keep (most people just waited by their mailbox),
-(ii) the money control number used by the other end to pick up payment (so they can pick up your information with it),
-(iii) the name used to both order seeds and to send the wire, and
-(iv) the amount of money transferred (which will always be $100 minimum, as requested in the letter).
So, the only people to get this letter in the mail are people who ordered seeds from us through the mail.
There is no proof from the outside of the envelopes that they are seed orders... unless the sender responds to the mail sent to them by someone posing as Marc Emery Direct.
When someone responds to this letter, it confirms that YES, they did order seeds. They clearly did, because they wouldn't have the right name or the password or the location from the letter otherwise.
And once you DO send that $100 to them with "SWAP" as the password, and all of your information on that form (and they ask you to NOT use a PO Box, but to use your home address, for what reason, we've already made clear)... then they've got you.
Also, the use of capital letters is a "legal thing". The system of Roman contract/admiralty law doesn't recognize lower-case letters and for a "name" [that is, a series of letters associated to a "person"], to be legally applicable, must be in all upper case.
For this reason, all court documents, etc. use upper case exclusively. If you are ever filed with legal documents that spell your name as "Joe Blow" and not "JOE BLOW", they can be thrown out of court because you can claim [legally and rightfully] that the name on the document does not apply to you.
To get around this the first thing they try to do is get you to acknowledge that you are "Joe Blow" and from then on you're pretty much screwed.
This is no conspiracy theory. There is NO WAY that anyone would have access to our mailboxes or our database, which was destroyed. No way, unless they were taking photos of the mail sent to us. Which they were doing, and they admit it.
We know that the DEA was taking photos of the orders sent to us for seeds.
We know that the DEA would love to have people "admit" they ordered seeds from Marc Emery Direct.
We feel very strongly that this is Law Enforcement trying to sweep up a lot of our customers, many whom are growers.
DO NOT RESPOND. DO NOT SEND MONEY. DO NOT SEND INFORMATION.
For more information and updates: www.cannabisculture.com
How Can You Really Help?
The recent attack by the USA and DEA on Marc Emery Direct Seeds, designed to destroy his ability to aid to the marijuana movement, also puts three people's lives at risk. They face extradition to the USA and life sentences for various charges.
We are building an impressive legal team to fight this. But there are many costs involved, and we know that over the next year and beyond this case will influence massive change.
We hope to continue helping our American, Canadian, and international friends who are in distress. We want to continue to fight the Drug War to the very end. But at this time, we need others to support us now.
You can donate by credit card by going to: Legal Defence Online Donations.
If you want to contribute to our legal fees, which will add up to over $100,000 in the next year alone, please send a check, money order, or cash to:
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Please also take the time to watch Marc Emery's public address on Pot-TV.
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Thank you for giving back to an organization that gave so much to the marijuana movement. Now we are in need, and we hope we have support in the world wide cannabis community.
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hurting what movement and what bullshit>?
i guess you would want someone who may or may not have a order in to just jump right in there and get busted for it,for your Bullshit ya say !!
good luck folks
batton down the hatches
peace
Howdy Z,
Thanx for posting all of the relevant updates.
I tell you what tho,it ain't just about seeds,it's about every 'package' that crosses the border..especially the V,BC corridor..like ya said..'it's time to batten down the hatches..'. This could just be the leading edge of an explosive crack-down on everything..not just seeds.
Have a good one ....
Pot Me Up, thats was so incorrect. Emery didnt set up a trap, the DEA got a warrent for arrest aprooved by a judge. I dont think you exactly know who Marc Emery is, Im sorry but you sound so stupid. Due to Emery's arrest and court pending, most cannabis seed banks are slowing down, not sending orders prior when u order
i was just about to post this myself, then i saw it was already posted. can a moderator sticky this, this should really be in stickyed in every forum i think, sounds like some serious shit is goin on. people need to know whats happening. i have noticed a crack down on things, even locally. a lot of stores arent aloud to sell bowls and shit anymore. lots of stuff is goin on, its the governments last gasp to stop us, its just a matter of time before its legalized. in the meantime..smoke more weed!
Fucking NARCS ILL BREAK THEIR FUCKING LEGS
Dumbest Post. Ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by ballin4Real
lmao... someone should start a marijuana barn fire in the DEA's offices, let it go through the vents n get everyone high.. call it the Ghost of Mark Emery
Just want to second what Purge said:
Moderators should post the links to this news on all forums.
Seed dealers should take a temporary reprieve and change their ordering systems. Proxy mailings. Use PayPal etcetera. Anything that breaks the legal paper trail.
Point of Marc Emery story is they confiscated his incoming mail before orders got to him the way I understand it.
Anybody visiting this site and others should also be using a proxy server to erase evidence of which internet addresses they are visiting from.
If anyone knows the best and easiest Proxy Software to use with various browsers they should start some threads to that effect.
Friggin LE's... and if I was a Jihadist I could sneak in from Mexico next week. This petty shit is making me ill.
Sorry. :mad:
Sorry rezinator, its impossible to get the other persons IP Address without being the admin of the BOX wich hosts the website. There is no way DEA can break into that and get them, that would involve illegal activity on there end and get sued up the ass.
On this forum it isnt IP Logged like CC is, CC is dangerous place to post for me, Im pretty sure if the DEA tried to they would be in HELL ass shit.
ron made an "Announcement" with all pertinent links at the top of each page a few days ago...perhaps it got overlooked?
Yes I should think that its a a very real possibilities. that the DEA might find some excuse to tap into/get a warrent to look at the hard disk of the hosting server and harvest ISP's all these dopers.
OK First Of all NOBODY SNITCHED, The DEA Found a way to bust them and they did. YES THE DEA HAS YOUR ADDRESS IF YOU ORDERED FROM MARC< BUT UNLESS YOU REPLY TO THE BLUE LETTER, THEY CANT PROVE YOU ORDERED THE SEEDS. FYI Marc Emery is probably gonna do alot of time for this, why would he do this to himself?! hes fucked! SO, BEFORE YOU TALK SHIT ABOUT MARC And NARCS GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT! thanx happy growin
Oh my its gonna be a long time too :(Quote:
Originally Posted by IrieInSocal
So very sad...over a fricking plant that GOD or Nature created for us stoners.
Quote:
Originally Posted by HARDDON
No shit, I don't know why they're cracking down on MJ so much. Meth is getting more popular by the day. You don't see people sucking dick, stealing shit, robbin their own mom for pot do you? It's so fucked up what is going on, kind of makes me want to get the fuck out of the states. Theres a lot more important shit to worry about then spending 2 billion+ a year on the "War On Marijuana". What a fucking joke :mad:
im scared :( , somebody hold my hand!
Joel, sorry to say your statement
is not entirely correct. This server is hosted at rackspace.com . Feds would NOT need access to this server to get IP information, all they need is access to rackspace.com's network. They would then plant a sniffer box (a server with a network card in promiscuous mode) and record full packet data....not just your IP, but all activity; what you read, what you posted, how long you visited a page before moving on...everything. This can all be done without the admin's of cannabis.com knowing anything about. As far as legal or not goes, IF the data was obtained illegally, it may not be permissible in court, but that won't prevent the feds from using the information for other purposes. In other words, that data could be used to learn other things...and those things COULD be used in court. In my experience, legal or not is not really something these ass-clowns are that concerned about. In addition, Patriot Act powers are vast, and wide-reaching. Your best bet is to use anonymous proxies, or proxy software such as Ghost Surf.Quote:
Sorry rezinator, its impossible to get the other persons IP Address without being the admin of the BOX wich hosts the website. There is no way DEA can break into that and get them, that would involve illegal activity on there end and get sued up the ass.
On this forum it isnt IP Logged like CC is, CC is dangerous place to post for me, Im pretty sure if the DEA tried to they would be in HELL ass shit.
Dboy
yo this is gay somebody just put me onto this site the other day & was about to order shit off it
Order seeds from them, and you'll find out what gay really is...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dae Styles