Hey people I need some serious advice

Alright so I've had 2 extremely bad experiences with my high this week. Both times were mixing highs and I honestly thought I was dryin the first time. If you dont want to read it all i understand but your help is appreciated :) sorry its long, but its all relivant.

Heres the background on me. I have been smoking pot steadily for about 5 years, 3 years before that I started but was off and on. I have been using meth for almost 6 years but some off and on's when i got caught (few months here few months there). I've mixed them a hand-ful of times before, always found they kinda cancel each other out for me, I used meth to bring me down from a crazy high a few times to keep out of trouble.

Ive been fighting meth for awhile, im easing off it slowly. I only free-base it, i dont do needles or lines. And i hold myself back to only using meth AFTER school and on weekends. So my routine is as follows; I get out of school and do w/e business i need to and go home, then i tweak a bit - maybe a dozen nice clouds. Do my homework while im on my comp chattin with you guys and what not. Then when i start to feel sleep coming on i smoke a little bud (not usually more than 3-4 medium bong hits)

Now that you know my short history heres my problem.
I did my little routine just as described 5 out of the last 9 days, one bowl of shizzy and one bowl of herb and bed. Last thursday I was layin down and i started to feel a mad sensation all over, my hands were cold and i was sweating, i felt side to side motion really strongly, like i was being tossed around it was weird, then my heart started beating really slowly but very powerfully, like i could honestly feel every pulse in my head. The exact same thing happend last night under the same circumstances (except i was watching a diff tv show...lol not that this matters)

The first time I felt like I was going to die but the 2nd time wasnt that bad. I think i ruled out overdose because ive used decreasing amounts for awhile. Anyone recognize these as signs of something? I dunno what was going on but until i find out i gotta stop that combo =\ sorry to make u read so much, i think its serious or else i wouldnt waste your time.

if it were me, id give up on the meth..

Ya i agree :( its really hard, i know a lot of others know what im talkin about =\ something about me and meth just made it stick to me bad lol it basically creates another person in users, theres the person they are, and then they person they are when they are tweaked =\ hard to describe but yes you're right :)

Now I understand your avatar..:D..
Methampetamines will fry you quick smart..
I truley feel sorry for people with a meth/speed dependancy..
been there done that wrote the book and wiped my ass on it...

I'd rather snort meth than smoke it, smoking it is worst for you I hear, as it forms crystals on your lungs...?
Quit that meth a.s.a.p regardless, whatever you have to do to quit, do it.

meth is a dirtydrug that will only have bad reprecautions (sp)

quit the meth man serious

Yeah, meth isn't good.. stick with weed, it's cheap and fun:D

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Now that you know my short history heres my problem.
I did my little routine just as described 5 out of the last 9 days, one bowl of shizzy and one bowl of herb and bed. Last thursday I was layin down and i started to feel a mad sensation all over, my hands were cold and i was sweating,

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If you do meth to rest, thats your 2nd mistake. IMO. Your way 2 young to be sleeping after smoking, snorting or however your injesting it!

To be in school you need to rest without that shit man. That sensation your feeling is your body telling you to quit right fucking now! When you start sweating for no other reason than meth... your heart is trying to tell you something! Do you have any common since? I hope you do man! BEWARE OF YOUR HEART! peace killa!

THINK METH AND BRAIN DAMAGE. THINK METH-MOUTH WHERE EVENTUALLY THE CHEMICALS WILL CUT INTO YOUR TEETH, MAKING THEM ROT. THINK LOOKING 10-15 YEARS OLDER THAN YOU ACTUALLY ARE.
I'm sure you know all this. Addiction is nevery easy to fight so would you consider rehab? From what you wrote, it seems like the meth could turn into a full-scale addiction for you, so stop it before you get there.

YOUR IN SCHOOL!
I just realized that, so your like 15-18?
Fucking a, get your shit together man

i bet the uneasy feeling was from meth and only meth.....each time you buy it you cannot guarantee what is in the substance....maybe this time you got something that was cut with something diff.....every time iive any kinda speed i didnt sleep for a good half of the night...juts roilled around in bed with eyes wide open and NO thoughts running through my head.....
....oh....btw...i know youve prolly heard this b4 but you shouldnt get on the habbit of doing hw while youre on uppers (although i think you already have) bc youll have the hardest time doing hw without them later......

I have no need to bullshit you Killa.I have had the samne thing happen to me my brother.Its Smoking that meth that is fucking you up.Some years agao smoking speed became real it thing to do making it accepted by all.I have done lots of speed,I did it from 88' to 03' when I made an effort to try to stop like you are doing now.I found that I crave smoking dope not snorting it.Try to go back to snorting if you are going to do it,much easier for you & your body to deal with.I watched a friend smoke meth til he was as domb as the shed he smoked in.I mean this guy was fairly smart one hell of a mechanic & within 5 years the dude was a waste.Not the norm I know but it happens & iI would hate to see it happen to you Killa.I just turned my back on my best friend of 18 year scasue he cant put down the pipe.Use to be a social thing now the dude sits in a room by himself & smokes cigs,weed & meth.I have now accepted his fate is death by meth dont pick this route bro!

Did you guys not read his post? He's trying to quit, when you're addicted to something like that, it's tough, but he's trying his best.

I've had that happen to me once, I got very high, and I was sweating and freezing, my pulse was crazy...I was real bad. But I knew once I came down I'd be all right, so I stuck through it. The only thing I can think is to smoke less of it, if you can, that'd be the solution man. Anyway, I hope you succeed in dropping meth, take care.

He has to do more than say "I'm done with meth"
All that does is make him want it more

i got an idea how u can get off of meth. well first off how old are u and how do u afford meth and weed all the time. ok just smoke mad ammounts of weed everytime u crave meth just smoke alot of weed then just play a game or watch tv. maybe this will help i dont know

Ive never done it let alone had a problem with it but after reading your post I just had to say something and not just pass on by ignoring you.
Its obvious you know you have a problem. Its obvious you know you need help.
Its obvious you want and need change in your life.
Its also obvious that although you may get some great advice here, your friends on this board can only do that for you...give you info and written support.
You need to involve someone closer to you in your situation.
Kicking a habit is hardest first just admitting you have one. You started that here but it needs to continue into your circle of closest friends / family.
You need help from someone in a better position to help you.
They can best support, guide , and keep track of you and this monkey on your back.
Your friends here will help you as will strangers and with a strong network around you , you can walk through the other side of this moment in your life stronger.
Use the initiative you created by posting this and bring your closest people into it.
Your parents and friends will be there for you .
Dont worry about judgements and trouble from your parents. The most important thing is just do what you know you need to do before its too late. They love you and you should let that love in to help.
I hope you get the balls to do what you know you need to .
Youre young and us old guys wish we had the time you are living now, not the meth , just the time to live life in youth again. Dont waste it my friend. It never comes back once its gone.

Peace.

"everytime you crave meth, smoke weed!"
lol..

Couple people asked how old i am, im 19 and when i say "school" im refering to college not high school.

Meth is terrible for you and i know that as well as any sane person, in my exp. people who have delt with meth addiction or another really hard addiction know its a lot harder than 'just quit' that works for pot and sometimes for tobacco but meth (for me at least) takes a lot more.

Smoking a bunch of bud when i want meth - ya its a good idea ive tried it before :) im in school right now and i tested my skills when i was high (i did this on a light work day) and my typing went from 65 wpm at 96% accuracy down to 40 wpm with 30% accuracy and i fucked up bad trying to take someones pulse. I dont go to school high (on either) anymore. I'll probably try that idea more on the weekends now though ^.^

I tend to be kind of a lone ranger when it comes to quitting because everyone ive encountered (in real life) that tried to help me did nothing, and sometimes just made it worse. Boot camp works for some kids but I just fought back 10 fold on that. I dont like being backed into a corner like that, if you do that to me i get violent and i fight it wth everything i got. Support groups are fun and they alleviate the tension of addiction but in the long run all i found there was ppl fucked up worse than me that makes me think i really shouldnt have to be there. My buddy Matt is the only person who actually has helped me quit, hes always makin sure i decrease my use, he wont let me use more than im sposed to :)

Smoking Meth?! I always heard that smoking it was not more harmful than lines. Is it true that smokin is worse? Lines have never done anything but destroy the craving for more (no high at all) but if its true that they arnt as bad i could try that.

I feel personally that the way im going about quitting right now is a good way for me (no not good for me but in the long run it will be) this was more a question of a medical problem. I want to know if i was having a heart attack or something :confused: or maybe i just over-worked my heart, im kinda fat so it might not be so hard to do =\

THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR HELP :D

It was probablly just like an overload of the drugs and circumstances is all. But yeah, just keep trying to decrease the meth you do each time or whatever, until you can stop all together. Or if you're really serious, tell all your dealers not to sell to you. Heh.

my friend works at canadian tire, and his freind, Amos, actually had a heart attack last december during a coke/meth binge, and hes only 22

Killa... you just need to stop. I hope you can find that strength in you to just stop it... cold turkey.
You know, meth is the fastest growing drug in American right now, and the most dangerous as well. It makes me sick that the war on drugs is focused on the crackdown of marijuana. Why? Because an estimated 15 million Americans smoke weed, and the Bush admin is convinced that weed is a gateway drug that leads you to abuse harder drugs. Give me a break! The REAL problem America is facing right now is the "methedipemic" that is literally sweeping the nation and ruining families.
I don't know if any of you watch the show "Intervention" but I find that ones with the meth addiction to be the most disturbing. They are truly fucked up - and some of them not used to be like that at all. But they fall prey to this drug and it's like their life is over. I mean can you imagine not sleeping for days on end.... it is just so unnatural.
Anyhow, Killa I wish you the best of luck.... I really hope you can find something that works for you that will get you off the meth.

kobiete thats so true
....meth came outta nowhere here in regina saskatchewan canada but now its HUGE and kids in high school that normally wouldnt do dumb drugs etc are doing meth just cause its the "thing"
....what ppl need to relize is this isnt just some recreational drug that should be used like pot, its not a new "thing" its been around and there is information on it and it is clearly just as bad if not worse for you than crack cocaine, heroine etc, you all know what its made of, its completely unnatural,
its so stupid to poison yourself like that repeatedly thinking its ok
....meth & coke are a kamakazee mission if you ask me you should know that before you try it in the first place....not only is it unhealthy for you but generally - meth heads have more problems than health(if you do consider yourself lucky) - once you do meth alot i think its your own fault for getting there, it's your problem and not anyone elses, any "help" in quitting should be family & freinds "cutting things off" (any responsibilties, pleasures of life) for you until you clean up or fuck up. Otherwise your just making it everyone else's problem by being a shady meth head - a shitty freind/brother/son/uncle or w/e and no one needs that. You need to earn everything back by cleaning up and staying clean. smoke the green.

heres a simple answer: stop meth, if the bad effects still continue, stop weed and become alcoholic.

Ya i agree :) meth made its big run through here in the 80's and 90's, its not too big anymore but if you know a person or two its easy to find =\ kicking a meth habit cold turkey would be...very difficult bordering on impossible but i did try it once, i got sick as fuck :(

I decrease monthly or bi-monthly, last month it was a $30 dollar a day habit, now its a 10-15 dollar a day. I buy a dime a day, a dub for 2 days, or like last week i bought a teener that lasted me through sunday =\

I forgot to respond regarding to homework, ya i tried homework tweakin a few times in high school, hands twitching and sweating all over my books lol it does exactly what you said Indre420 it made it hard to do it when i wasnt tweaked, got over that a year back or so. I made a promise to myself that i would never do any school work or go to school high on anything again, i cant afford to throw 10 grand away on school and get kicked out =\

not many people are giving you credit for trying to stop. Good job. Thats doesn't really say as much as I would like it to. I really respect you for it. Esp. for your ability to still put school ahead of it. I've never done meth and I don't really know what the high is like, but my guess is you had a mild heart attack or stroke. Good luck with quiting. I know that if I was in your place I wouldn't be able to do what you're doing.

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Originally Posted by NoosaHeads

Now I understand your avatar..:D..

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hmmmm, could you tell me what it is you understand, cause I don't know what that's all about either.

Thx nap :D:D:D

You have not tried it before so please keep it that way ;) The high? the high is the most subtle I know of, like with bud you can get to a "tipsy" state or kinda get dumb (guilty...lol) and your head feels great but with meth its none of that, you feel very upbeat nothing a normal person doesnt feel from an occasional cup of coffee. You're body is almost forced to keep busy with something, lots of people its drawing (me included) or stuff like that, writting, poetry, reading, carpentry etc. lol basically after an hour or so your level headed but your body is still running strong that lasts 3-5 hours for me then i come down and need to sleep :)

Anywho, I hope that by next year I am off of it completely. By then I will be in my externship for school and be getting paid decent wages so ill be busy with my time and not need to smoke.

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Originally Posted by mrdevious

hmmmm, could you tell me what it is you understand, cause I don't know what that's all about either.

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It's a tweaker thing =\ people who are spaked out of their mind jabber CRAZY!!! like not a girl talkin to her friends crazy im talking 16 year old girl with a fast mouth on crack crazy just insanely fast and so our minds kinda find the same patern, random totally irrelivant thoughts just passing around occasionly coming out of your mouth at the speed of light :cool: watch the movie Spun, you will kinda get what im saying i think.

Spun seems like a good movie to deter people from ever using meth.

And I understand quitting meth can be difficult while in school. It gives you the ability to focus and take in information at greater speed than being sober. But you must realize that using a chemical in order to focus will naturally make your own abilities to focus decrease, which then will make it much more difficult to quit.

Have you considered switching to speed or even getting on a.d.d medication? Speed (at least crosstops) is habit forming, but its not addictive like meth.

I dont use any drug to concentrate :) lots of ppl do but i dont use drugs so i can do good in school, I have always done good in school. ADD meds like ritalin and adderall u mean? i done them before i just dont have access to any =\

Killa,i dont know if I would say snorting better for you.I know its was easier for me to do a bump and be happy.When I smoked it I just wanted to smoke more,Good Luck

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Originally Posted by Killa.Kali

Alright so I've had 2 extremely bad experiences with my high this week. Both times were mixing highs and I honestly thought I was dryin the first time. If you dont want to read it all i understand but your help is appreciated :) sorry its long, but its all relivant.

Heres the background on me. I have been smoking pot steadily for about 5 years, 3 years before that I started but was off and on. I have been using meth for almost 6 years but some off and on's when i got caught (few months here few months there). I've mixed them a hand-ful of times before, always found they kinda cancel each other out for me, I used meth to bring me down from a crazy high a few times to keep out of trouble.

Ive been fighting meth for awhile, im easing off it slowly. I only free-base it, i dont do needles or lines. And i hold myself back to only using meth AFTER school and on weekends. So my routine is as follows; I get out of school and do w/e business i need to and go home, then i tweak a bit - maybe a dozen nice clouds. Do my homework while im on my comp chattin with you guys and what not. Then when i start to feel sleep coming on i smoke a little bud (not usually more than 3-4 medium bong hits)

Now that you know my short history heres my problem.
I did my little routine just as described 5 out of the last 9 days, one bowl of shizzy and one bowl of herb and bed. Last thursday I was layin down and i started to feel a mad sensation all over, my hands were cold and i was sweating, i felt side to side motion really strongly, like i was being tossed around it was weird, then my heart started beating really slowly but very powerfully, like i could honestly feel every pulse in my head. The exact same thing happend last night under the same circumstances (except i was watching a diff tv show...lol not that this matters)

The first time I felt like I was going to die but the 2nd time wasnt that bad. I think i ruled out overdose because ive used decreasing amounts for awhile. Anyone recognize these as signs of something? I dunno what was going on but until i find out i gotta stop that combo =\ sorry to make u read so much, i think its serious or else i wouldnt waste your time.

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you know you must get off that shit,look at it this way if you dont you know what your future holds,
i for one will wish you luck and tell ya tweekers burn out like lightbulbs.
the brighter they are on high,
the dimmer they are on low,
think about that please.
peace

Napolitana mentioned something I failed to, I commend you for having the sight to try to quit. I think not doing it at school and work is a great step and shows the wilpower you do have inside you.
But you just made a comment that shows the meth still runs the show unless you are willing to take it head on now. You said you are hoping to have it kicked by next year or so and that is just giving yourself permission to keep doing it now. As long as you decide to stop any other day than today, like months in the future instead of now...you are allowing yourself to keep up the cycle, making excuses for yourself and opening the door for more moments ( or worse ) like the one that brought you here asking for some help.
If you want to stop, you have the tools so use them. Dont rationalize another high man. If YOU want to quit then do it. Kick that willpower into high gear and make a change for your future.
Your education wont mean shit if you're a meth head on a downward spiral.

Cheers for your efforts.

it's good that you want to stop the meth...just follow through and get away for good.
i used to smoke that shit.. and snort it occasionally. i got my hands on some bad shit once, and smoked it all up throughout the night. i got to the last little bit (a nice sized line) and decided to snort it. BIG MISTAKE. i ended up on the floor, in the fetal position holding the back of my neck, rocking back and forth. i had a pain, in the area where your spinal cord and brain connect, that totally overwhelmed me. it felt as if someone had plunged a knife into the back of my neck, and was twisting the blade around. it was fucking scary shit. i seriously thought i would either die right there, and nobody would find me until morning or the next afternoon..... OR i was going to have some kind of critical brain damage. i got sick and started vomiting out my window. the vomit soon turned to blood. i started wigging out and called my buddy down the street and told him what was happening. he came down and stayed up with me to make sure i didn't die. DIRTY DIRTY DIRTY SHIT. that's all that meth is. i met a guy once that smoked meth for a long ass time and had a tube hanging out of his chest that he drained his lungs with DAILY. he died soon after i had met him. there are zero benefits from meth. it would be alot quicker to just put a gun to your head and pull the trigger.

to sum it all up as easy as possible... meth and cocaine made me everything i NEVER wanted to be. and that scared the shit out of me. don't ever think you can "control" shit like that. stop now before it's too late to do anything about it. at least you've seen what it can lead to and where it will take you... and you want to quit. just keep your head on, and focus. good luck man, if things are as bad as they sound, then you'll need it. peace.

holy shit, that was long... i didn't realize it. sorry guys. :D

That is really scary. Killa, you should learn from this guy. Look I don't mean to be a bitch, but trying to stop just ain't good enough. You'll be trying and trying and before know it, it'll kill ya. Just bite the bullet and do it. I thought of something, can you get maybe 2 really good friends to come to your apt or house and stay with you for two weeks straight to keep you off that shit? You may go through withdrawal but at least you'll have your buddies to stop you from taking the drug. Stop school stop everything for about two weeks and get clean. Get two really strong and supportive friends who will virtually put you under house arrest and help you to get clean. Drastic circumstances call for drastic measures my friend.

I also wanted to say one more thing to you Killa. You are 19 years. 19 fucking years old! You are SO young and you got your whole future ahead of you. The only thing I regret in my life is what I studied in university - advertising. It is not a high-paying job, but I feel if I studied something else... like finance or whatever, I could be making bank in a very specialized field. College gives you incredible opportunities and really paves the way for possiby a very bright future. Don't throw it away, I can't stress to you enough how important it is. You are fucking with your future by staying on meth in a big way, especially now.

LMAO@mellow mood....

What a great thread.....some wonderful advice here...the Cannabis boards have the coolest people.... :)

a close friend of mine quit meth cold cold turkey after donig it a year....a week in detox did it.......but nows he shoots up crack cocaine :(

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Originally Posted by dooman

a close friend of mine quit meth cold cold turkey after donig it a year....a week in detox did it.......but nows he shoots up crack cocaine :(

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Please explain how he "shoot's crak" I thought crak was freebase form?
WTF do I know I have'nt done coke in over a decade.