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If anybody has any doubts about the ultimate goals of Islam, and their wish to transform the free countries in the world into Islamic theocracies, here are good websites to examine.
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If anybody has any doubts about the ultimate goals of Islam, and their wish to transform the free countries in the world into Islamic theocracies, here are good websites to examine.
Im a bit more worried about christianity right now actually.
Are you out of your mind?Quote:
Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat
I hear ya. Many christians seem to be just as intent on "saving" everybody by "showing them the light" (i.e. converting everybody) through scare tactics and violence as these militant muslim groups are. It isn't hard, from a christian viewpoint, to justify the use of violence for conversion. You think, well, if nobody in this population accepts Jesus, they will all go to hell. But if I use force to convert them to Jesus, some will go to hell if they die before repenting but many will be spared eternal damnation. Christianity was one of the main motives behind some of the worst acts of violence in history: the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, the Holocaust, the conquest/genocide of the Native Americans, African colonization, and countless European wars just to name a few. Christian missionaries have destroyed traditional cultures wherever they go, forcing them to reject aspects of their lives as "sinful" and embrace christian culture instead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nullific
Their goal is clear: get every man, woman and child on earth to believe in Jesus, so as to maximize the number of people getting into heaven, even if it means destroying cultures and using violence. For them, the ends justify the means. We can already see it happening here in America on a large scale. Christian political groups are trying to get the United States officially recognized as a "judeo-christian country" and force everybody to act in accordance with "judeo-christian values", regardless of their beliefs. It's no secret, they are openly admitting to this! "Love it or leave it", they say, as if there were some free society we could go to where people don't try to impose their beliefs on others. Christians make the government accept their church's views on homosexual marriage, polygamy, prostitution, drug use, pornography, and other stuff that shouldn't be anybody's business except the people involved, thus forcing everybody to live according to their religious convictions through violence (via the police)! Many of these groups even openly deny the existence of the separation of church and state (and deny that one would even be desirable if the wording of the Constitution doesn't already provide us with one). There could only be one reason for such a denial: allow christianity to use the power of the state for its own goals. The church and state harm society enough separately; it will be complete disaster when they fuse.
I would appreciate if you'd explain what you mean, i.e. why would a person be "our of their mind" to read the links and programs about these groups and conclude anything other what I said?Quote:
Originally Posted by bhallg2k
Personally, I agree that the fundamentalist Christian groups are a threat to democracy, but they do not present nearly as big a danger to our society, and very existence, as the radical Muslims - and there is not a single word on those Muslim websites to persuade me that they are interested in stopping the attacks. They are also commanded by their faith, at the very least, to convert everybody - apparently, they've been somewhat successful in Europe and other places.
Howdy Bruekelen,Quote:
Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat
I'm one of the few here,who has been exposed to a fundy muslim society,so I don't need to read the info at the sites you have linked to,but I do urge those who have not experienced life in a fundy muslim country,to go to the links you provided,so that they can better understand the nature of the enemy that we face.
Rather than seeking ways to excuse muslim jihadists of their brutal acts,and pointing the finger at Christianity instead,folks should at least learn the nature of fundy muslims and be truthful about all the harm that they are causing today in the world.
My little sister,is a Christian missonary and has been to several countries,she did not use threats or violence,in spreading the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Those Christian missionaries who did use violence in the past,to bring folks to Christ,were clearly wrong and Christians do not use such tactics,anymore. However,muslims have always and continue to do so,use violence and threats,to convert others to Islam. It is muslims,who are enslaving Christians..and Christians,who are buying them out of slavery..even as we speak.
Have a good one !
Like in Sudan:
http://www.iabolish.com/update/press-release.php?id=41
that isnt the ultimate goal of islam???thats the goal of a tiny portion of middle eastern finatics,not islam.
Did any of you guys read the forums, or were you too scared to get your minds contaminated by these mindless, death-seeking Muslims?
http://forum.ymsite.com/showthread.php?t=2097
http://forum.ymsite.com/showthread.php?t=2182
http://forum.ymsite.com/showthread.php?t=2122
Right on man. I wouldn't have expected you to say that, but all the same. :)Quote:
that isnt the ultimate goal of islam???thats the goal of a tiny portion of middle eastern finatics,not islam.
Sounds like a real freedom hater :rolleyes: !Quote:
There will never be any real progress in ending this terror war, until we realize that we have all become collateral damage, unacceptable collateral damage. That being the case, there is no they or we in this affair. We are they and they are we. When a child in New York never sees his mother again because she was crushed in a collapsed tower at the World Trade Center, we all have suffered an irreplaceable loss. When an impoverished family in Afghanistan is bombed from the face of the Earth by a misguided missile, something of our collective humanity is destroyed by the blast. When a child in Iraq is born with gross birth defects due to his mother??s exposure to depleted uranium, we have all been deformed. When London commuters fear ever again entering the underground, because of the ill-advised actions of a handful of desperate fanatics, their insecurity touches us all.
Grow up you racist pricks!
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Originally Posted by amsterdam
Holy shit, we agree! :eek:
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Originally Posted by Button Basher
reeally,i guess you misjudged me. :confused:
i didnt expect it either.Quote:
Originally Posted by amsterdam
thats because you have a unrealistic view of the people who support the war.
I don't see how you can look at those sites and conclude that Muslims want to take over the world. They're for a Muslim youth group. They want Muslum unity in their community. No more; no less. To think otherwise, you've gotta be out of your mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat
they are absolutely no threat to the real money powers of the world...the rich elite that we never hear about...they're so elite that most people doln't even know their names...they know the names of the UT basketball team though.
terrorism is simply being used by these corrupt governments of the world and the world banks, whethey they decide to create it, or capitalize on real terror events...to consolidate the world's wealth and resources, and impost a world government dictatorship, or empire, whatever you want to call it.
we're all being taught that national sovereignty is a bad thing here at home (while claiming to be 'giving' iraq sovereignty...when they're doing the opposite, they're bringing them under world bank/imf global control).
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Originally Posted by amsterdam
not unrealistic at all. i noticed alot of people wish to continue figthing because of wounded pride.
thats odd,i LIVE in america and i have never heard that mentioned once,ever.quit watching your state sponsered television.
you mean my american sponsored journalism? whenever i watch cnn or msnbc in those rare moments that they actually report anything, it's always some mother with a son thats KIA.Quote:
Originally Posted by amsterdam
Then people cry and tell others to send their children to continue the "fight". it's really sad, because they dont realise that they want other peoples kids to fight, so they wont be the only ones grieving.
well maybe thats because 90% of the soldiers sign up to go back because they want to?
if saying they are brainwashed makes it easier for you to understand than go ahead.
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Originally Posted by amsterdam
do you realise the catch-22?
so even though everyone was lied to about practically everything, and soldiers are fighting based on a lie, they continue to fight because they like to blow shit up?
they like to murder innocent people?
they like being shipped overseas from their families?
how about you go back and do some research. I'm sure you'll be surprised that your "90%" consists mostly of soldiers FORCED to return for another tour, even though they were promised that they wouldn't have to.
Now that's what i call supporting the troops.
"they like to murder innocent people? "
Your parents must be proud! :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
oh, sorry psycho. i forgot that in the later years, the eyesight tends to get tricky on you. take it easy, take your time. you're almost there, pops.
Take a nap, and read it again. I'm not making a statement, i was asking a question. a rhetorical one at that.
Hey there whipper snapper! Wheres my gerital? LOL :DQuote:
Originally Posted by nicholasstanko
now you're getting it. and all this time i thought your mind was in a persistent vegetative state.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
They are committed to enslaving the world to Islam. I would not mind if it was just a few of them, in their own land, but I do not want this insanity in my country. I have read, in English, the MODERATE Pakistani newspapers - as far back as 20 years ago. Their goal is to take over the U.S. - if not by violence, then by other means. This is not acceptable. We should not have them here, period.Quote:
Originally Posted by bhallg2k
If you think that I am insane, so be it. I'm not denying it, LOL.
And vice-versa. It's becoming more and more clear that it is indeed America's intention to take over (and destroy) Islam - if not by violence, then by any other means.Quote:
Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat
Hey, at least you aren't in denial. You got that goin' for ya; which is nice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat
I think that the intention is tolerance, but it isn't any good because the monotheists (Judeo-Christians & Muslims) are self-destructive - the whole philosophy of these religions is anti-human, and pro "spiritual" (re: ignorance). The leaders, with the money, would split up the spoils among themselves. Some of our friends' "conspiracy" theories are far-fetched, but there is an element of truth to it when you realize that all religion is a good way to control the masses.Quote:
Originally Posted by F L E S H
I am a materialist, and that is the only way that I can honestly live. I would not expect to live comfortably in an Islamic theocracy, in Israel, or in a Fundamentalist Christian environment. Why should I change, in my own country, to accommodate the predilections of Islam - in addition to all the other crap we have here? I have to go through hell just to get to work every day, because of the terrorist threat. And, I am quite sure that they are going to attempt to unleash some kind of chemical, nuclear, or biological weapon here if they can. I just hope that I??m wrong, OR we wake up and take the proper steps to prevent it.
They want us to think that they are ??crazy?, so they knock down buildings and do suicide missions. I got news for them: WE can be crazier than they could ever imagine, and we should have demonstrated that for them after the attacks on Sept. 11. How about my suggestion to my co-workers, in the weeks following 9/11, that we nuke the hills of Afghanistan, kill all the Taliban and al Quada, and then have the White House DENY that the U.S. did it?
That would send the only message that would get through to them, IMO: Americans are nuts, and very, very dangerous.
religion is the root of all war (maybe not on both sides but its always a factor), always has been always will, and it will also be the end of us i think.
Interesting....when your out to the bar nobody ever wants to mess with the crazy dude. Doesn't matter how big he is, if he's nuts, leave em' alone!
Naa man were not nuts...what you need to worry about are those fucking crazy ass zealots who strap bombs to themselves just to kill some jews or arabs on a bus. Now those are some fucking nuts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat
Absolutly true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
'Though this be madness yet there is method in it'.
from Shakespeare's Hamlet
If you grew up where I did, you'd understand that to "go crazy" ALWAYS sends people running. Basically, "you think YOU'RE bad? I'll rip your fucking head off and send you back to your fucking mother in a box, motherfucker!"
And, I'm a "nice" guy LOL!
Religion is most definitely NOT the root of all war, just as it isn't the root of this war.Quote:
Originally Posted by makor01
The root of all war is money and power, and war-mongers will USE religion to rally people to their cause. Believe me, Jesus and Mohammed have absolutely nothing to do with this war.
And that's called 'psychotic'. Nice image to give your country, "we'll nuke you on a whim!" Write it on your flag, and be proud.Quote:
Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat
Thats called psychotic...
Welcome to England.. we all like that here...crazy ass mofos...lol
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Originally Posted by Twoshots
as an american who has visited England since i was a child and lived there when i was older i must say.the English have more heart and determination than most people.im not sure what the terrorists were trying to achieve in bombing the English,it for sure wont intimidate them.people receive severe beatings for insulting their favorite football club.god i love that country.
Listen, I've got some ideas to slow down the terrorists, without nukes - but I doubt that the government would go along with it. These beheadings, for instance, are a starting point. We have at least 500 captured Taliban and Al Quada guys in Guantanamo Bay. Every time that there is a beheading, or other similar murderous act of terror, we could USE some of them by filming their execution and broadcasting it to the Middle East. Rather than behead them, or give them the firing squad, we should use tried and true creative techniques ?? such as the use of meat grinders as a method of execution. Throw in a dead pig, just to show them how much we ??respect? their convoluted belief system.Quote:
Originally Posted by F L E S H
We are dealing with fanatical, homicidal maniacs. The only way to get rid of them is to hit them hard, by any means necessary. If it means blowing up the homes of their relatives who are paid when they jihad, then we should do that too.
Let them pick an easier target ?? that??s the way I live, but the people in this country don??t seem to understand that you don??t send them flowers - you send them death!
If these people want an enemy, let??s give them one that they won??t soon forget.
Sorry for the rant. Be safe, not sorry.
dont listen to these poor put upon victims of oppression breaukelen!they have no power anymore.
however i will say that it isnt all members of islam,.about 2% maybe and we will kill them.
where are you from?
I'm from Brooklyn!Quote:
Originally Posted by amsterdam
We used to have a gangster here named Crazy Joe Gallo. He kept a tiger, in a cage, in his basement. When somebody didn't keep up with their payments, or whatever, he'd take them downstairs and show them the cat. Nobody ever needed any more persuasion.
Once, when he was sent to prison, the guards wanted to teach him a "lesson". Joe was not a big guy, physically, and they locked him in a cell with the biggest, craziest lunatic inmate they had - and went out to play cards. After a few minutes they heard a godawful scream, and figured that the big psycho had attacked Joe. When they got to the cell, Gallo was standing by the toilet, dropped something in the bowl, and flushed it. The big inmate was on the floor holding his head, which was bleeding. Gallo had BIT off an ear from the guy, and that was what he flushed down.
Gallo eventually got out of jail and was killed in a restaurant named Umbertos's, in Little Italy, NY. At the funeral, his daughter screamed ??Don??t worry, Joey, the streets will run red with blood for this!? and they did.