Iraq war may last until 2017

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[I]Read what Donald Rumsfeld says about the warIt's funny how he forgot to mention this when he was helping dubya pitch the war to congress and the american people. So what do you say guys? Who's up for 12 more years?



WASHINGTON - Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said Sunday he anticipates even more violence in Iraq and acknowledged that the insurgency â??could go on for any number of years.â?�

Defeating the insurgency may take as long as 12 years, he said, with Iraqi security forces, not U.S. and foreign troops, taking the lead and finishing the job.

The assessment comes shortly after the latest Associated Press-Ipsos poll showing public doubts about the war reaching a high point â?? with more than half saying that invading Iraq was a mistake.

The top U.S. commander in the Middle East appealed for public support of the soldiers and their mission. â??We donâ??t need to fight this war looking over our shoulder worrying about the support back home,â?� Gen. John Abizaid told CNNâ??s â??Late Edition.â?�

In a deadly week for U.S. forces, an ambush on a convoy carrying female troops killed four Marines, including at least one woman. At least 1,735 members of the U.S. military have died since the war started in March 2003, according to an AP count.

On Sunday, bombings in Mosul and elsewhere in Iraq killed at least 38 people.

Making the rounds
Rumsfeld, making the rounds of the Sunday talk shows, said insurgents want to disrupt the democratic transformation as Iraqi leaders draft a constitution and plan for elections in December to choose a full-term government.

â??I would anticipate youâ??re going to see an escalation of violence between now and the December elections,â?� the Pentagon chief told NBCâ??s â??Meet the Press.â?� And after then, it will take a long time to drive out insurgents.

â??Insurgencies tend to go on five, six, eight, 10, 12 years,â?� Rumsfeld said on â??Fox News Sunday.â?�

â??Coalition forces, foreign forces are not going to repress that insurgency. Weâ??re going to create an environment that the Iraqi people and the Iraqi security forces can win against that insurgency,â?� he said.

A British newspaper reported Sunday that American officials recently met secretly with Iraqi insurgent commanders north of Baghdad to try to negotiate an end to the bloodshed.

how have you not heard those numbers before.from the get go i knew this would take a couple decades,20-30 years at least.

But then how come when colin and bush were talking to the UN they had their PR people on the news saying it should be over within weeks? You dont think possibly it was on purpose so people wouldnt raise too many questions?

major combat operations lasted about 4 weeks.that isnt saying the war would be over.

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Originally Posted by amsterdam

major combat operations lasted about 4 weeks.that isnt saying the war would be over.

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it was seven weeks powell stated. and major combat took longer than that still remember?

Don't believe ANYTHING the government tells you. Odds are, it's a lie.

Cheney said we were in "the last throws of battle"...what happened? THey are so out of touch....

there is no way in hell they can keep this up for that long....somethings got to give.

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Originally Posted by makor01

there is no way in hell they can keep this up for that long....somethings got to give.

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Howdy Makor,

Well it would take less time,if there were'nt so many folks rootin for the terrorists..everyone that hates or envies America,see the terrorists and insurgents,as the under-dogs and are hoping that they win.

Now that Iran has elected another hard-liner,things are going to git worse..even as we speak,strategic and tactical plans are being adjusted to account for the expected down-turn in relations with Iran and their military direction.

Those of you without direct experience with over-seas,muslim arabs,don't understand the way they think and live..they have a long ways to go,to catch up with modern society,and that's complicating things too. Like hard-line commies,who want a communist world,the fundy muslims,have a goal and dream,of turning the world into an Islamic State,Darfur.

Islam,is at war,with most of the world..it's time for the world to acknowledge that 99% of all conflicts today,are because of the global jihad,that Islam is waging against the Free World. Despite the best hopes of the Left,muslim jihadists are not the 'freedom fighters' that they make them out to be..they are cold-blooded murderers,who will eventually turn on their infidel supporters.

Have a good one.....

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Originally Posted by Torog

Howdy Makor,

Well it would take less time,if there were'nt so many folks rootin for the terrorists..everyone that hates or envies America,see the terrorists and insurgents,as the under-dogs and are hoping that they win.

Now that Iran has elected another hard-liner,things are going to git worse..even as we speak,strategic and tactical plans are being adjusted to account for the expected down-turn in relations with Iran and their military direction.

Those of you without direct experience with over-seas,muslim arabs,don't understand the way they think and live..they have a long ways to go,to catch up with modern society,and that's complicating things too. Like hard-line commies,who want a communist world,the fundy muslims,have a goal and dream,of turning the world into an Islamic State,Darfur.

Islam,is at war,with most of the world..it's time for the world to acknowledge that 99% of all conflicts today,are because of the global jihad,that Islam is waging against the Free World. Despite the best hopes of the Left,muslim jihadists are not the 'freedom fighters' that they make them out to be..they are cold-blooded murderers,who will eventually turn on their infidel supporters.

Have a good one.....

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Their "infidel supporters" happen to be none other than the mighty UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. Bin Laden himself received CIA training because America wanted the Afghani's to throw out the Soviets. Saddam Hussein was a long time friend and ally of the Bush Sr. administration.

Torog, you right. These terrorists are nothing but cold-blooded, ruthless killers. And in that fashion they are ironically the very mirror image of their American enemies, who rain cluster bombs on innocent civilians and dump radioactive wastes in the middle of a city.

I am afraid that being ruthless and cold-blooded is not limited to race. The only differientiating factor here is power.

Cheers to you, my favorite veteran.

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Originally Posted by Stedric

Their "infidel supporters" happen to be none other than the mighty UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. Bin Laden himself received CIA training because America wanted the Afghani's to throw out the Soviets. Saddam Hussein was a long time friend and ally of the Bush Sr. administration.

Torog, you right. These terrorists are nothing but cold-blooded, ruthless killers. And in that fashion they are ironically the very mirror image of their American enemies, who rain cluster bombs on innocent civilians and dump radioactive wastes in the middle of a city.

I am afraid that being ruthless and cold-blooded is not limited to race. The only differientiating factor here is power.

Cheers to you, my favorite veteran.

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Howdy Stedric,

Yup..you're right, the liberal Left,in America does support the terrorists,as for Bin Laden and saddam,they were clearly mistakes..even Americans are human,and prone to make mistakes.

Our soldiers,will never be a mirror-image of the terrorists,because we offer liberation and democracy..the terrorists,only offer death and oppression.

The differentiating factor,is Freedom on one side and oppression from the other..even if the terrorists were equivocally armed,they'd still only offer death and oppression.

Thanx for your kind words:)

Have a good one...

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Originally Posted by amsterdam

major combat operations lasted about 4 weeks.that isnt saying the war would be over.

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no thats like saying we
' took out all the tanks planes and arty batteries
now its time for our troops to be targets for the LONE gunmen and small groups of misguided souls who want to go out in blaze of glory.
the mop up comes next where they clean out all them hard core leftovers
that takes a long time and sometimes never is fully done

i hope the usa pulls it troops out in next two yrs and lets them POLICE thiers

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Originally Posted by Torog

Howdy Stedric,

Yup..you're right, the liberal Left,in America does support the terrorists,as for Bin Laden and saddam,they were clearly mistakes..even Americans are human,and prone to make mistakes.

Our soldiers,will never be a mirror-image of the terrorists,because we offer liberation and democracy..the terrorists,only offer death and oppression.

The differentiating factor,is Freedom on one side and oppression from the other..even if the terrorists were equivocally armed,they'd still only offer death and oppression.

Thanx for your kind words:)

Have a good one...

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Hey Torog,

I'm going to have to disagree with you on that one. The liberal left doesnt support terrorists. Dont call me a traitor to freedom but everyday I have less and less passion for fighting these guys.

You and i both know that a more diplomatic solution couldve been raised. We've been lied to time and time again by the bush administration. uranium in nigeria that never existed, bunkers with wmds that never existed intelligence reports that were falsified. we find out the lies over and over again but we do nothing because we obediently wait for the mainstream news to tell us what the right story is. when they dont report it, then we either forget or assume the whole idea was a sham.

We have like what? 20-30 troops/"jihadists" dying everyday now and for what? liberty and freedom that's covered in blood.

We got off on the wrong foot before but let me explain again in calmer terms.

You're sitting in your house and sudeenly a bomb rips through and your whole family is killed...you go into the streets and you see soldiers shooting off left right and centre...shooting at your friends mind you...no idea whats going on. you're only source of information is al-jazeera telling you that the americans have come to kill you and force you into christianity. who are you going to believe torog? the voice you've had since a child or some white guy with a huge gun shooting at people's houses? no disrespect to other ethnicities fighting the war for us though.

dont you see, torog? most of these guys are fighting to save their homes and their sovereignty just like the japanese kamikaze died and killed themselves to defend japan. what's the difference? the japanese army could afford nice expensive uniforms? were the japanese any more civil in their uniforms when alot of their soldiers raped nanking? i didnt notice any americans crying for justice when almost all of the commanders in charge of the japanese army got slaps on the wrist and the government to this day denies the full scope of what happened.

Sure there may have been "rape rooms" and secret torture chambers in iraq. yeh and so what? i guess israel doesnt have those and neither does egypt or saudi arabia. but yet we dont mind a nice comfy coalition with those guys.

This whole war was about consolidating power in the middle east. grabbing oil. why do you think that only two months prior to the invasion, an advisor had to tell Bush the difference between iraqi sunni's and kurds and ba'aths and shiites? THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES DIDNT KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN IRAQI FACTIONS. you dont find that odd? i dont because i know it's because he never cared in the first place.

Why do you think that when american troops first rolled into iraq, they had no orders? you're military you know that with no orders you do nothing. they didnt stop the looting going on, but the genrals thought it would be a good idea to establish perimeters around the oil to protect it...but they were never ordered to. where do you think they got the idea that the oil was the most valuable asset and not the people they claimed to be liberating?

Look within yourself torog and have a good one.

this is some of the funniest shit i have ever read,

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh,poor babies.this isnt even a politics board anymore.

And i just wanted to point out to torog that islam is not at war with the world. it was clearly stated by osama bin laden in the tape that surfaced weeks before the election (how convenient) that they never attack any country that poses no threat to islam.

Spain was bombed....the people rioted and overthrew the government...the troops were withdrawn...and there's not a word of terrorism.

Let's just forget the left-wing right-wing republican democrat bullshit. they're all full of shit. Osama actually told the american people that by electing a war monger like bush would lead to more violence...and look what happened. more violence.

Why didnt we elect kerry? because we allowed the media to twist the tape and use that as a reason to keep bush in power because who're you gonna trust? a real southern fried american or a tin pot terrorist? people lined up all over to put there vote next to the R just so they could silently give a big "fuck you" to the terrorists. bush stayed in power and now we deal with the repercussions of our ignorance.

Let's just get it out and be done with it. if you voted for bush thinking that he'd protect freedoms and spread so much democracy then you made a mistake. theres no harm in that. we were all taken advantage of. he's lied...condollezza has lied...powell has lied...rumsfeld...cheney...ashcroft...gonzales.... all have lied over and over. this is what freedom and liberty and democracy is about? lying to your people to take what you want? If more people had ignored the R and D and just looked at goddamn character...then WE would have been able to save lives and spread that same freedom on less violent terms. it's not bush's fault....it's OUR fault.

2008 will soon be here. let's leave politics for real politicians and celebrity and popularity status to the movie stars man.


have a good one.

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Originally Posted by amsterdam

this is some of the funniest shit i have ever read,

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh,poor babies.this isnt even a politics board anymore.

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Thanks amsterdam.

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Originally Posted by amsterdam

this is some of the funniest shit i have ever read,

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh,poor babies.this isnt even a politics board anymore.

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Its real tough listening to people with valid opinions, isn't it?

im so tired of hearing you whine for these terrorists nich...i really am. youll never justify their tactics, and youll never discredit ours. the end bro.

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Originally Posted by nicholasstanko

Sure there may have been "rape rooms" and secret torture chambers in iraq. yeh and so what? i guess israel doesnt have those and neither does egypt or saudi arabia. but yet we dont mind a nice comfy coalition with those guys.

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remember we dont rape people ither.. or shove broom sticks up POWs bums, or boom civilians indiscriminantly (clusterbombs) we are compleatly nice and white and friendly, we dont have rilligous extreamists at all. (kkk, godhatesfags.com, folks with to much money)

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Originally Posted by Torog

Yup..you're right, the liberal Left,in America does support the terrorists,as for Bin Laden and saddam,they were clearly mistakes..even Americans are human,and prone to make mistakes.

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And conservatives support dog fucking.

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Originally Posted by bhallg2k

And conservatives support dog fucking.

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how much of a fucking moron can you be...liberal and conservative arguments are such a waste of fucking time.

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Originally Posted by makor01

how much of a fucking moron can you be...liberal and conservative arguments are such a waste of fucking time.

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Umm, that's kinda what you do in a political forum.

And maybe one day, with lots of hard work and practice, I can be a ridiculous fucking moron like you.

actually douchebag, you argue points on a subject...not turn every fucking thread into a lib vs con flame war...and dont worry, you dont have to practice being a fucking moron because youve already proved that by your previous replies. you sir are a fine example of a moron.
Later

I'm not going to get into a pissing contest with you. That truly is a waste of time.

But whenever anyone casts aspersions on my beliefs or others who share my beliefs, such as the case was, I will always respond in kind.

Now you can go back to being righteous and above the fray.

Would you two just compare cock sizes and shut the fuck up already?!