America Surrendered: Do You Speak Chinese?

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[align=left]Craig Roberts | June 22 2005[/align]

Sun Tzu, the ancient Chinese military philosopher who is oft quoted in our military institutions, wrote â??One who is not acquainted with the designs of his neighbors should not enter into alliances with them.â?�

This quote surfaced in my consciousness as I walked the aisles of a new Dollar-type store yesterday, picking up items and turning them over to see where they were made. I counted 20 items, of which 19 were made in â??China,â?� and one in Pakistan. As a WWII baby boomer who grew up during the 50s and 60s, I could not help but shudder in the fact that I was holding items that were made by an avowed enemy, one that along with the former Soviet Union, forced me and my classmates in elementary school and junior high school to practice â??Duck and Coverâ?� and quick response to air raid sirens. In those post-war days we had a Civil Defense organization, were encouraged to prepare for a nuclear strike, build fallout shelters, and be ready in case Russia, China, or even Castro came over the horizon. Those days have faded away, but living through the Cold War and the ever-present threat of â??the bombâ?� will remain with us forever.

Now there is no Civil Defense Corps, the fallout shelters are empty or used for storage, and we are told that the Soviet Union has collapsed, and the Red China is now our trading partner (and Taiwan never mentioned), and the only Barbarians at the Gate are North Korea and certain countries in the Middle East that support terrorist organizations.

However, as a student of history, and a former intelligence analyst, I see another world growing up around us. One the media ignores, the politicians refuse to recognize, and one of which the American people remain ignorant. It is a world in which we are surrounded, being infiltrated, and readied for invasion.

To understand what his happening today, one must understand certain military tenets of warfare. These include:

Infiltrate the enemy country with advance forces and spies.

Pre-position supplies close to the anticipated battleground.

Destroy the enemyâ??s will to resist.

Destroy the enemy populationâ??s morals and morale.

Sew confusion among the enemy population.

Cut lines of communication.

Create diversions.

Control all information and media outlets.

Attack on many fronts.

Destroy the enemyâ??s capability to wage war.

Reduce or destroy enemyâ??s military bases.

Strike only when ready and when enemy is at his weakest.
In the intelligence world, what we do is take pieces of information, like pieces of a puzzle, and â??put them on the wall and see what picture develops.â?� Lord Wellington of Waterloo once said â??Iâ??ve spent my entire military career wondering what the chap on the other side of the hill was doing.â?� In intelligence circles, information gathering is chief among tasks, followed by â??okay, what are they up to?â?�

Let us examine some current â??intelligence indicatorsâ?� and see what picture forms.

Over the last few decades, ever since Nixon went to China in 1972 to open trade relations, we have seen the Communist Chinese grow from a third-rate military force whose strength lay only in numbers to a very modern and well-equipped force ready to do battle on a global scale. Unlike Russia, the Chinese have done this very quietly, trying not to draw attention to their efforts, and with one goal in mind: destroy the United States and any allies. And we have helped them toward that goal. In fact, we continue to help them every day when we buy Chinese-made products. But beyond that, letâ??s examine events that have strengthened Chinaâ??s military endeavors while weakening ours:

Carter gave away the Panama Canal, and now China operates itâ??and has total control of who uses it, what ships come and go, and who disembarks from those ships in Panama (such as Chinese males of military age that disappear into the hinterlands and later surface in Mexico close to our southern border).

Bill Clinton gave China â??most favored nationâ?� trading status, opening our market to cheap slave-labor-made goods, which also destroyed many US companies and costing us jobs by underselling the market with cheap products. At the same time we turned our back on long-time ally, Nationalist China. All of this to â??appeaseâ?� the Red Chinese.

Under the Clinton administration, Loral and Hughes were allowed to sell China missile technology and guidance systems for â??communications satellites.â?� Within months we were told that China now bragged about being able to deliver a nuclear warhead to Los Angeles.

Also under the Clinton watch, Chinese spies were discovered at Los Alamos and in other places, some of which stole nuclear secrets for the Peopleâ??s Liberation Army. (â??All warfare is based on deception. There is no place where espionage is not used. Offer the enemy bait to lure himâ?� -- Sun Tzu)

While all of this was happening, our southern border was being invaded by illegal aliens to the point that besides Mexicans, we have many reports of Asians, Central Americans, and Middle-easterners coming unhindered into the U.S.

Couple this with COSCO, the China Ocean Shipping Company, which is the Merchant Marine arm of the Chinese Navy, taking over not only the Panama Canal, but establishing a huge transshipment center in Freeport, Bahamas, just off the Florida coast. This huge complex contains some of the biggest cranes in the world, plus hundreds upon hundreds of Sealift containers the size of semi-trucks being stored there. When I see this I canâ??t help but think of Diego Garcia, our forward deployment base in the Pacific.

It is well known in the military that the easiest thing to move is troops. The hardest to move is material. You can order troops to march onto a ship or airplane, but it takes forklifts, cranes and manpower to move supplies. By forward deploying your logistics you are already half a battle ahead.

And Freeport is not the only suspect position for Chinese pre-deployment stocks. Reports have surfaced about COSCO ships unloading in Mexico and Canada, plus several ports inside the US itself. A few years back we read of a shipment in a Sealift container that came into Long Beach, California, loaded with automatic AK-47s, machine guns, grenades and explosives. We were told it was intercepted, and that it was probably being smuggled in to street gangs. We may never know of how many other shipments went undetected, and are still being smuggled in and pre-positioned. And not for street gangs!

Add to all this the fact that our own troops have been over-extended, our military suffering a continuing â??build downâ?� by base closings, reducing the numbers of aircraft in our squadrons and ships in our fleets, and reduction of war stocks by expenditure without restocking, plus using up our reserves and national guard forces in extended overseas missions, and we have the recipe for disaster. In other words, there ainâ??t no one home watching the chickens, and the wolf is prowling the broken fence line.

There are those who say that China is being influenced by prosperity, and that they are reaping the rewards of capitalism, and because of this have no reason to use military might to forward Maoâ??s version of Communism. These pie-in-the-sky wishers do not understand the Chinese. What we are really doing is financing their military buildups, technology, and monetary base. Those who have forgotten history need to be reminded that we did the same thing in the 1930s when we sold scrap metal to Japan, only to reap the whirlwind when they used our metal in the ships and planes and bombs that attacked Pearl Harbor. Hitlerâ??s Germany also prospered from â??free tradeâ?� by using our technology in the petroleum industry to manufacture fuels and lubricants by synthetic means. Still, we continue to feed the Chinese dragon and think nothing of where our money goes when we buy those items â??Made in China.â?�

While we are looking at the pieces of the puzzle, we also need to add the other pieces that match the tenets of war. Sun Tzu wrote that â??Appraise war in terms of the fundamental factors. The first of these factors is moral influenceâ?�, and also â??When a leader is morally weak and his discipline not strict, when there are no consistent rulesâ?¦Neighboring rulers will take advantage of this.â?�

We can see the moral decay of this country over the last thirty years all around us. The types of TV programs, the language on radio talk shows, the â??gay prideâ?� marches in major cities, the loss of morals in our schools, attacks on Christianity, legal abortionâ??onâ??demand, laws that are totally contrary to what our founding fathers envisioned, courts that punish the victims more than the offenders, activist judges that legislate from the bench, removing mentions of God or the Ten Commandments from prayer and public property and public events, the bogus â??war on drugsâ?� that is actually putting more drugs on the street, church leaders that are afraid to preach anything that might offend someone, and on and on.

An unjust and un-moral society is one doomed to extinction. Our founding fathers knew this. History verifies it. And the Chinese study it.

While China is ready to move on Taiwan at any timeâ??theyâ??ve positioned huge amphibious forces near the Straights of Formosaâ??and North Korea is ready to move south, the possibility also exists that an entirely different scenario will develop.

In this scenario, the forces that now surround us â??come to our rescue.â?�

Picture this: our military, as strapped as it is, is in Iraq, Afghanistan, and maybe in the near future, Iran. We still have troops in South Korea, Germany and other places. Our national guard and reserves have been deployed overseas. Our law enforcement personnel are stretched thin. And then a major terrorist eventâ??or a series of themâ??occurs. This event could be detonation of mini-nukes in major cities, release of a biological weapon starting a pandemic, or some other major media event-type attack.

Who do you call for help? Ghostbusters?

The plan is to call upon the UN to provide military, humanitarian and law enforcement relief. The only army big enough to handle a country of this size, with the means to move the personnel, is Red China (backed by Russia and the former Warsaw Pact states that we have been training for such an event at Fort Polk, Louisiana under Operation Cooperative Nugget).

Seem far-fetched? Then know this: a few years ago I had a nephew who attended the Command and Staff College at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas. When his class graduated, a general from the Pentagon flew in to give the graduation speech. When he was introduced, it was mentioned that he was a member of the Council on Foreign Relationsâ??whose mission in life is to develop a one world government (the New World Order) and who were the founders of the United Nations. This particular general stated in his speech that (paraphrasing)â??due to the build down or our armed forces, should we be deployed or committed on two or more fronts in the future and a major emergency occurs here, we will be forced to call upon foreign assets to police our streets.â?�

Foreign assets? Who could that be?

Sun Tzu also said that â??To subdue the enemy without fighting is the supreme excellence.â?� With no guarded borders, and no one to guard them, and an avowed enemy who tells its military daily that â??our main enemy is America,â?� I would have to submit that this country is set up for a major fall, and very soon.

The good news is this: The Second Amendment. The Chinese military is very frustrated in the fact that their liberal socialist lackeys in Washington have not been able to totally disarm the American peopleâ??yet. They have, by means of Fabian Socialism (creeping) legislation, reduced our firepower by outlawing â??typesâ?� of firearmsâ??specifically those that have military applicationsâ??but have not been able to register for confiscation all the guns in the country like they have in Australia, the UK and Canada. China well knows after its failed expeditions into Vietnam and India that fighting an armed population or a guerrilla type war is not winnable unless you first have the hearts and mindsâ??and cooperation--of the population.

We also have another advantage, one not spoken off but still resident: Our combat veterans. The United States has the largest pool of combat veterans in our population of any country in the world. From our Vietnam generation (who is now in their 40s and 50s and beyond) to our Desert Storm, Somalia, and current Afghanistan and Iraq vets who are no longer serving, we have a cadre base of â??trainers and leadersâ?� second to none. When one factors this in, we have to consider that China may wait a few years for more of us to die off. But they wonâ??t wait forever. We are a weakened giant, one that has be subverted from within and without, and one considered ripe for the picking. They have to reduce our will to resist, plus our means of resisting before they can hope to â??patrol our streets.â?�

While the Chinese currently are reacting to Sun Tzuâ??s axiom â??Nothing is more difficult than the art of maneuvering for advantageous positions,â?� I would offer another â??old saying,â?� this one derived from India: â??Beware he who rides the tiger, lest he end up inside.â?�

Craig Roberst zhen shi yi ge bendan!! Guanyu ZhongGuo ta shenme dou bu zhidao. Wo mexiangdao ni hui xiangxin ta. Wo bu zhidao wei shenme Meiguren da bu fen haipa Zhong Guo. Shi tamen yingai haipa women.

Psshead, ni yue lai yue fengle. Ni juede shemne dou shi yi ge yinmou. Wo tongyi women de zhengfu shi youdiar fucked up. Danshi, dajia bu shi ni de diren. Ni toayan Meiguo de zhengfu erqie haipa Zhopngguo.She shi ni de pengyou???

Just thought I'd respond to this nonsense in the language that it seems we'll all be speaking soon. Pity I couldn't type in Chinese characters though.

wow, i'm insulting you in an african tongue-clicking language...i can't even type it...i'd have to post an audio file.

oh, and those UN plans are public.

OK Pisshead, I insult you back in the rare language of the Fartsoso tribe. They are a small group of people in a remote South American jungle who eat nothing but beans and have no tongues. As such they have developed a unique, albeit stinky, method of communication.


In all seriousness, however, this Craig Roberts has no idea what he is talking about and is proving the old sayingâ?� you fear what you donâ??t understandâ?�. What does he know about China and where did he get his knowledge? When was he there last? Iâ??m not Chinese, Iâ??m just your typical American White boy who just happens to speak Chinese. I also have degrees in International Business and East Asian Studies. I also lived in China in â??96-â??97 , go back frequently, and spent most of last February there. Does this mean I know everything about China, no, hardley. I assure you though, the China I know and the China he describes are two very different places.

Letâ??s break down some of his points:

1. Too many products are manufactured in China by low cost labor thus taking the jobs from Americans. This is true, sadly, but inevitable. It is international economics and can not be helped. The initial thought is that this is bad for the U.S because it takes away jobs. What would happen, however, if these jobs were given back to Americans? First of all the prices on these goods would immediately go up. No more $1 stores, more like $20 stores. Why? Its obvious, no American worker would accept $5 a day. The rise in labor costs would cause a corresponding rise in the prices of these goods. The American workers would naturally want higher wages, putting more money into the economy, causing further inflation, etc., etc. Yeah it sucks but so does life.


2. Chinaâ??s ultimate goal if forwarding Maoâ??s version of communism. Maoâ??s version of communism no longer exists in China, why would they want to spread it somewhere else. While most Chinese today see Mao as the founder of modern China, like we see George Washington, the great majority consider his theories and handling of the country as total rubbish. Maoâ??s Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution that followed are widely considered dark times in modern Chinaâ??s history. So, while he is hailed for defeating Chang Kai Shek and the Kuomindang he is also despised for nearly ruining the country.

Communism, as an economic system, no longer exists in China. Private business is encouraged and many have taken Deng Xiao Pingâ??s words â??to be rich is gloriousâ?� to heart. Many are investing, buying their own homes, buying cars (Buick is especially popular), basically living the American Dream. Just in China.

China is only communist in that it is goverened by the Communist Party. That is really just a name though much like the Republican Party. There are few of the old hardliners left and even they would not dare suggesting going back to the old ways. True, they have no intention of allowing free democratic elections and risking losing power. Would the Republicanâ??s if they didnâ??t have to?

3. China Controls the Panama Canal. Actually it is a Hong Kong based corporation, Hutchinson Whampoa, not the Chinese Government itself. And, actually, Hutchinson Whampoa only controls the ports and either end of the canal. Although rumored to have some investment by the Chinese military, it is widely regarded by maritime experts as an excellent manager of the Panama Canal and other Port facilities around the world. Ultimately China has little ability to enforce any controls over the Panama Canal. Furthermore, the canal treaty signed in 1977, which allows all countries use of the canal, even in war, allows for the United States to intervene militarily in the event that anyone should restrict access to it.

4. China is building up itâ??s military. So? Why is this such a surprise to everyone? Hell, even Luxemburg has a military. China is a massive country and is quickly becoming a major economic power. Why wouldnâ??t it want to build up itâ??s military? Its called National Defense when the U.S. does it but when China does it suddenly becomes an offensive move by crazed communists. If fact, Chinaâ??s military is far more defensive that it is offensive. They have no blue water navy to speak of and have no ability to launch a large scale invasion of any place that is not along itâ??s borders. On the other hand, the U.S. military has an awesome amount of offensive power and, especially under G.W., yeehaw donâ??t mess with Texas, Bush, has proved the ability to use it. So really, patriotism aside, if we can build a massive military why is it so surprising they want to as well? Ever hear of â??keeping up with the Jonesâ??â?�


5. In the event of some catastrophe, â??foreign assetsâ?� may be called upon to patrol our streets. I canâ??t really comment on the UN plan as I have no knowledge of it. My first thought would be that in the event of some major disaster here in the U.S, we would pull our own troops back, no matter where they were. Seeing how George W Bush has essentially ignored domestic issues, however, and focused his entire Presidency on Iraq and the defeat of Saddam Hussein, Iâ??m not so sure. But China? Come on, do you really believe we would ask the Chinese Army come to America to patrol our streets? This statement is simply the product of fear and paranoia. We might as well be worried about what would happen if aliens invaded while our troops are away.

Yeah, thereâ??s a lot about China thatâ??s fucked up. Itâ??s government is filled with corruption and generally keeps its people on a pretty short leash. I challenge you to find a singe country with a perfect government though. The U.S? Please, spare me.

In any case, China is no more a threat, probably mess less, to world peace and security than the U.S. is. The pace of change in China is unbelievably fast. The last 50 years in China is like the last 250 years in the U.S. Controlling that change, and keeping the country stable, is a full time job. China has little time for world domination.

I love America and, despite the fact that I abhor George Bush, consider myself very patriotic. I just hate to see these types on non-truths being spread by people who have no idea what they are talking about. The attitues and fear generated by these lies is far more frightening than China, or America, itself. For it is these fears and attitudes which so often lead to war.

then we'll agree to disagree...i'm too tired to respond to that...

"Those who can make you believe absurdities
can make you commit atrocities.
â??Voltaire

hey, i've seen the videos of the urban warfare training drills from northern California to Massachusetts and all in between...training for domestic purposes...our army and marines working with foreign military...chinese, russian, czech troops...training to disarm people and round them up...

administration members are on the record saying we will have foreign assets in our country 'peacekeeping'...

you can choose to ignore it and call it absurd, i don't care.

"The citizen who sees his society's democratic clothes being worn out and does not cry out is not a patriot but a traitor." - Mark Twain

You all forget america has thousands of nuclear weapons. Although it would be last resort, we could literally turn china into a barren wasteland faster than they could deploy troops to our nearest territory.

And if you disagree, and believe we wouldn't be able to complete that task, you're insane. America's military is much more advanced than the public knows.

Good point Juggs, the Chinese aren't suicidal. The same thing that helped keep the peace between the U.S. and Soviet Union applies with China- Mutual Deterence. I'd be much more worried about a country run by a hardcore muslim fundamentalist who beleives that to die while fighting for Allah guaruntees admission to heaven. Think suicide bomber on a grand scale. Sure they might only have one or two nukes and only be able to take out D.C or New York while we turn their country into glass but they might figure its a glorious way for their country to die.

This is theoretical of course, such a country doesn't exist...yet. But Pakistan has nukes and a lot of really hard core Muslims. Of course 99% of Muslims are good, peace loving people but it only takes 1 charismatic Bin Laden type rising to power and then who knows.

dude where the hell do you come up with these bullshit posts? I think you need to get out more, its ok man, leave your air raid shelter and smell the air...some of these theories you come up with make me laugh out loud.

It's called selfishness... The US can be powerful, but China can't... The US can havee the power to destroy the entire planet, but if another country has a single nuke, they're evil... The US can have the world's biggest economy, but if another country creeps up, watch out! The US did it with "democracy", and the Chinese did it with "communism" (the quotation marks are there because the US isn't a true democracy, and China isn't a true communist regime...).

The bottom line is that the US hasn't had any competition for some years now, and I think it's high time that another country challenge American supremacy, cause the US is really starting to piss everybody off big time.

Yeah, cause everybody would just love to be speaking pots and pans and taping the corner of their eyes back.

Aw what the fuck. The human race is going to die from nuclear fallout or something. it's inevitable. dont forget that we (as humans) still have no idea on just how to dispose of nuclear material safely with no ill effects on the environment.

The whole point of going into iraq was to consolidate power in the middle east. israel has nukes so we dont fuck with them even though they're the ones we should be fighting with if anything. but we wouldnt wanna piss off those hollywood moguls and corporate barons now would we?

More and more middle eastern people are banding together to form terror networks. iran pakistan...palestinians would jump on the bandwagon. Israel treats palestinians like garbage so a "great war" is inevitable with those two involved. But the point is all these countries are banding together and america has no clue on how to stop it...i think a big mistake has been made.

Everywhere you look it turns more and more like 'nam. "Oh the war will be over in a matter of weeks" didn't nixon say something strikingly similar to that as well? that's far from the case. congress confirmed at least 500,000 troops would be needed to keep up the war and trust me...there arent even CLOSE to 500,000 more troops waiting to be shipped off. America is the only coalition country that hasnt honored it's war dead because the bastards at washington fly them back home at dead of night like rats. Who the fuck do you know is willing to sign up and die for a country that refuses to even publicly acknowledge their sacrifice?

this paragraph might be more a conspiracy theory than anything...but id bet money that the whole plan is to take out the middle eastern countries and render them helpless. then when israel is busy plundering, america will join forces with britain or ireland or whoever to take out this new evil scourge. By that time they'll have total internal control over the populace so noones going to be throwing any freedom rallies fighting for the rights of jews.

Dont forget...the Patriot Act specifically labels all americans as potential terrorists. Questioning government motives or their "anti-terrorist" agenda only increases that potential. How long until we do something about it and take back what belongs to us?

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Originally Posted by Juggalotus17

You all forget america has thousands of nuclear weapons. Although it would be last resort, we could literally turn china into a barren wasteland faster than they could deploy troops to our nearest territory.

And if you disagree, and believe we wouldn't be able to complete that task, you're insane. America's military is much more advanced than the public knows.

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yes they are.the future army will be nothing but special operations troops.very small,fast,and very deadly.MESS WITH THE BEST,DIE LIKE THE REST.

also,we have troops stationesdall around China.we could be there alot faster than they could ever get here(wich they couldnt)

For the time being you mean.

no,for a long,long,long,long time.

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Originally Posted by amsterdam

no,for a long,long,long,long time.

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But like the article says, amsterdam. China's growth in 50 years is the same conversion as america has done in 250. We're already living very close to a nuclear age. I say close because even though we have power and weaponry nuclear based, we still dont rely on it 100% as yet. It takes alot less effort to advance one's society nowadays. Dont let the opressive dictators hoarding wealth for themselves fool you for a bit.

If properly funneled...such power could propel china into supremacy regardless of how they live now. they can already launch warheads capable of hitting los angeles.

This thread is starting to sound like a playground conversation:

"My big brother can beat up your big brother"

"Oh yeah, well my big brother is learning karate and will be able to beat your brother up real soon"

"Nu uh, my big brother will still be stronger"..................

Funny thing, neither big brother has any intention of fighting the other.

Why the fuck is it that every single foreign affairs debate in the US always ends up talking about war, and who would beat who in a battle. You guys completely miss the point.

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Originally Posted by Fengzi

This thread is starting to sound like a playground conversation:

"My big brother can beat up your big brother"

"Oh yeah, well my big brother is learning karate and will be able to beat your brother up real soon"

"Nu uh, my big brother will still be stronger"..................

Funny thing, neither big brother has any intention of fighting the other.

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You're crazy if you think America has no military plan to pre-emptive strike china if the situation were to occur. It's been proven that you dont typically need a reason for occupation or declarations of war.

And you're just as crazy if you think china isnt the same way. Both countries have a history of active agression. Have you forgotten about all the reports of chinese spies floating about in canada and the united states?

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Originally Posted by F L E S H

Why the fuck is it that every single foreign affairs debate in the US always ends up talking about war, and who would beat who in a battle. You guys completely miss the point.

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How did i miss any point? Pisshead showed an article that specifically cites military interests and capabilities of the chinese government. I hate how it always comes down to war too but...damn man...lookit what's going on. Talking about war is inevitable.

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Originally Posted by Fengzi

This thread is starting to sound like a playground conversation:

"My big brother can beat up your big brother"

"Oh yeah, well my big brother is learning karate and will be able to beat your brother up real soon"

"Nu uh, my big brother will still be stronger"..................

Funny thing, neither big brother has any intention of fighting the other.

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you cant be that crazy though...not crazier than who's in charge.

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Originally Posted by nicholasstanko

you cant be that crazy though...not crazier than who's in charge.

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I'm not crazy. My point isn't that each country isn't ready to go to war if it were to happen. Sure every country has its spies and all kinds of plans for what it would do if the shit were to hit the fan. My point is that neither country wants to go to war. We in the U.S tend to think of China as this crazy, evil communist regime that's just waiting for the opportunity to turn the world commie. Hell, Pisshead seems to believe that they're already doing it covertly. That's just not true. No more true than England having plans to turn the entire world into tea drinkers with bad teeth. Like most countries China is focused on internal matters: it's economy, healthcare, crime, etc. Not world domination.