What really Happened at the Pentagon?

I have done my studies of the Pentagon strike on 9/11. This much I am for certain on, no Boeing 747 hit that building. I invite any of you to do a Google on this event. First off, many people say the plane skidded on the grass. Pictures and videos taken on that tragic day clearly show the lawn intact. Where are parts of the plane. Clearly, if a plane did hit the building, it would leave debris, there were none. Pictures taken in and out of the blast area prove this. The hole that crash made, is NO WAY CONSISTENT of a 747 jet. I think the hole was a little over 20ft. Hmmm? Hmm? Hmmm? Am I missing something. Wouldn't an 80 Ton 747 Jet, with a Wing span clearly over 50ft or maybe a 100ft would LEAVE a hole larger than 20ft. Also, the FBI and CIA were in multiply spots, confiscating secuirty cameras from gas stations, hotel rooftops, and expressways. These tapes if made to the public would show what really happened. There is one security camera, it's from the Pentagon lawn. There are 5 frames of the video showing the hit. When you slow down the video, you see a picture of something. This something is WAY smaller than a 747. The pilot who supposedly flew this plane into the building, was called a horrible pilot by his instructors. Also, this guy somehow managed to pull of a Really acute turns at speeds of 550 miles per hour. Several Eyewitness accounts are shady. Some people say they saw a 747, others a small private plane, others say they even say a missle. I invite anyone to do a quick search on this. Whatever hit the pentagon was NOT a 747. WHat is the Government hiding

i would agree 100%. you hit all the nails i think...

we're supposed to believe a massive steel engine and breaks and more just vaporized, but they were able to ID over 130 of the victims on the plane...the wings left no damage on the building, and the pictures before the section of the wall collapsed does not look like it was by a plane, it's a rather small impact hole...and the mysterious punch out of the building 3 rings in... what the hell caused that.

i don't know what hit the building...it appears to have either been a smaller plane packed with explosives...or maybe a missile, like rumsfeld 'slipped' up a couple times and said...who knows...it doesn't seem like it was a 747 though, does it...

Ok, so what hit the pentagon was a missile. You forgot one thing though, what happened to the fourth jet?

it was a 757, supposedly, not a 747.

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Originally Posted by naturalmystic

Ok, so what hit the pentagon was a missile. You forgot one thing though, what happened to the fourth jet?

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It crashed outside of camp david, i think. The pilots fought back and ended up crashing the plane before it got near a populated area.

dam not agian?
not this shit
get the fuck over it
it was a plane,
geesh

It wasnt a goddamn plane! As much as reality and physics bends when you're high it wouldnt matter in the real world. Planes cant punch neat holes! Plane wings tear off on impact!

Two jets hit the twin towers, one crashed in pennsylvania? and then supposivly one hit the pentagon. Four in total.

yeh...supposedly

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Originally Posted by NowhereMan

dam not agian?
not this shit
get the fuck over it
it was a plane,
geesh

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couldn't of said it any better....thank you NowhereMan

Out of respect to those that were in the planes and at the Pentagon and at the World Trade Centers and it's surrounding area and to the famlies that lost their loved ones on that day.... Please just accept it for what it is and let their souls rest in peace.

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couldn't of said it any better....thank you NowhereMan

Out of respect to those that were in the planes and at the Pentagon and at the World Trade Centers and it's surrounding area and to the famlies that lost their loved ones on that day.... Please just accept it for what it is and let their souls rest in peace.

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NO! I wont accept it for what it is! It's that passive way of thinking that lets governments get lazy and despotic. Remember Rome? Everyone was so happy and content that the place destroyed itself. All the people were so apathetic that when the invaders came they had forgotten what war was about and what it meant. The greatest civilization in history wasnt built in a day, but it was destroyed in one.

You think that any soul is going to rest peacefully when theyve been murdered and everyone that cares about their memory happily accepts government propaganda and never knows the truth? Take back your liberty for God's sake man! Or are you too busy with your PSP and mtv or whatever other junk they can feed us in one sitting.

TO THE STREETS!

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NO! I wont accept it for what it is! It's that passive way of thinking that lets governments get lazy and despotic. Remember Rome? Everyone was so happy and content that the place destroyed itself. All the people were so apathetic that when the invaders came they had forgotten what war was about and what it meant. The greatest civilization in history wasnt built in a day, but it was destroyed in one.

You think that any soul is going to rest peacefully when theyve been murdered and everyone that cares about their memory happily accepts government propaganda and never knows the truth? Take back your liberty for God's sake man! Or are you too busy with your PSP and mtv or whatever other junk they can feed us in one sitting.

TO THE STREETS!

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im the last one to say the goverement is good
but spreading YOUR PROPOGANGA does no good ,
if you think they would bomb the pentagon your a moron
simple as that
people died on a plane,not on missle or some shit
and lets see your degree 's in damage analisis ect.
yaw just spouting the fuck off and it bugs me to see you piss on those folks memory

there is enough real stuff the goverment does to speak out about you need not make up crap like that
get a fucking life

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Originally Posted by NowhereMan

im the last one to say the goverement is good
but spreading YOUR PROPOGANGA does no good ,
if you think they would bomb the pentagon your a moron
simple as that
people died on a plane,not on missle or some shit
and lets see your degree 's in damage analisis ect.
yaw just spouting the fuck off and it bugs me to see you piss on those folks memory

there is enough real stuff the goverment does to speak out about you need not make up crap like that
get a fucking life

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Fuck ME?! FUCK YOU! I've posted NUMEROUS times analytical reports and diagrams.

Spreading Proaganda? How the fuck can it be propaganda if i have evidence to back it up? Youre a goddamn moron. Get off your lazy ass and read a few posts back and you'll find not only MY proof but others as well. Pisshead, makor1 even fucking AMSTERDAM have posted things to back up what they say. I said something that sounds horrible and its propaganda now? FUCK YOU.

I dont have a degree in damage analysis. How does that make me ineligible to point out how physically the official story cant and never makes sense? I bet youre a government agent typing this shit. Do you realise what youre saying? "If something smells fishy it doesnt matter. The government has all the answers."

Reading your post you sound like a goddamn hick. It bugs the fuck outta ME knowing that just because a majority of you assholes can get together to decide on the future of america by picking anything southern fried or republican. Jesus Christ, with people like you voting, it doesnt gets hard arguing why we should disband the electoral college. you know what that is, you fucking yokel? YEEEEHAAWWWWW!!!! IMA HUNT ME SUM CRITTERS!

So case in point dont you DARE tell me im pissing on anyones memory ESPECIALLY when im trying to make people realise that we've been lied to FOR PROFIT. Fucking close-minded asshole.


Good day sir.

Nick, you're full of shit, my friend. You are right about ONE thing, however. It wasn't a Boeing 747 that hit the Pentagon, it was a 757 - a somewhat smaller aircraft. You need to understand that these places are made of ALUMINUM. When they hit a steel and concrete structure at 500 MPH, they essentially burst into little shreds. You're not going to see wing impressions, like you did with the Twin Towers (which were open-framed steel structures clad with glass, very different from the much more solid steel-reinforced concrete walls of the Pentagon). In the Pentagon impact, the wings essentially sheared off and were shredded with the rest of the plane, merely contributing to the widening of the hole.

The main problem with this, and nearly every ridiculous conspiracy theory out there is the fact that in order for it to work, one would need thousands or tens of thousands of people to keep quiet and cooperate. This just isn't going to happen. There are plenty of people who value truth above all, and would make sure the truth was known, consequences be damned. Especially with such a massive and traumatic event as this. The fact that there is ZERO credible evidence to support your theory speaks volumes to me.

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Knock off the needlessly abusive attitude. You can argue with someone without the gratuitous name calling. If you can't be reasonably civil, we don't need you here.

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Originally Posted by Beeblebrox.420

Nick, you're full of shit, my friend. You are right about ONE thing, however. It wasn't a Boeing 747 that hit the Pentagon, it was a 757 - a somewhat smaller aircraft. You need to understand that these places are made of ALUMINUM. When they hit a steel and concrete structure at 500 MPH, they essentially burst into little shreds. You're not going to see wing impressions, like you did with the Twin Towers (which were open-framed steel structures clad with glass, very different from the much more solid steel-reinforced concrete walls of the Pentagon). In the Pentagon impact, the wings essentially sheared off and were shredded with the rest of the plane, merely contributing to the widening of the hole.

The main problem with this, and nearly every ridiculous conspiracy theory out there is the fact that in order for it to work, one would need thousands or tens of thousands of people to keep quiet and cooperate. This just isn't going to happen. There are plenty of people who value truth above all, and would make sure the truth was known, consequences be damned. Especially with such a massive and traumatic event as this. The fact that there is ZERO credible evidence to support your theory speaks volumes to me.

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Knock off the needlessly abusive attitude. You can argue with someone without the gratuitous name calling. If you can't be reasonably civil, we don't need you here.

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Well looks like i pissed off a mod. But look man, with all due respect you're full of shit if you're going to accept that story. I never said anything about 757's or 747's in this post. I dont think it was either.

Yeh, the OUTSIDE is made of aluminum. But what of the insides? See you cant hold the story together. Every plane crash INCLUDING American Airlines leaves alot of wreckage. You know that! Now suddenly, the plane parts MAGICALLY disintegrate? Cmon.

Glad you brought up wing impressions. PLANES CANT LEAVE WING IMPRESSIONS. This isnt a cartoon! theyre made of aluminum right? exactly so they would be shorn off. especially if theyre flimsy enough to be shredded. And Ill bet you'd still sit there and say that a plane hits a wall gets shredded to bits and leaves a nice neat hole. Does that really make sense to you? "contributing to the widening of the hole" a nice neat spherical hole?

Yeh, the truth CANT be held quiet by everyone. That's why you have DROVES of CIA and FBI and technicians and firemen and police officers and witnesses who were THERE and WITNESSED the event stating that the official story doesnt stack crackers. I respect your authority as a mod but why do you say that noones said anything when they HAVE? Why do you have NYC with MORE than 50% of its residents saying they believe 9/11 was a sham. Surely first-hand witness accounts account for something!?! CNN and MSNBC arent telling you for a reason, HELLO! there run and sponsored by government agents in one way or another? Notice around election time when there are BIIIG donations to a campaigns cause?

If you want the truth you do your best to find it. You dont sit there and listen to which side sells the better story. go out use google. find the documents you need like i have and everyone else. ive posted DOZENS of links.

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Oh yeh, i dont wanna get in trouble or kicked off but I just wanted to point out that

I'm getting chewed out for calling a few names in a heated serious political debate

but over in the Recreation forum I left because they had a post with people calling

blacks "niggers". I noticed noone bothered to leave any mod notes over in that one.

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Originally Posted by nicholasstanko

I never said anything about 757's or 747's in this post. I dont think it was either.

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That was XTC. My bad.

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Yeh, the OUTSIDE is made of aluminum. But what of the insides? See you cant hold the story together. Every plane crash INCLUDING American Airlines leaves alot of wreckage. You know that! Now suddenly, the plane parts MAGICALLY disintegrate? Cmon.

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The ENTIRE airframe is made of aluminum. The struts, the bulkheads, everything. And how many of those other crashes had ended with the plane hitting a steel-reinforced concrete wall? I will tell you: none. There is a HUGE difference between a plane hitting the ground at shallow angle at takeoff or landing speeds and one hitting a concrete wall at cruising speed. besides, there was plenty of debris recovered from the Pentagon site.

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Glad you brought up wing impressions. PLANES CANT LEAVE WING IMPRESSIONS.

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No shit. I said this. Read my post again.

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And Ill bet you'd still sit there and say that a plane hits a wall gets shredded to bits and leaves a nice neat hole. Does that really make sense to you? "contributing to the widening of the hole" a nice neat spherical hole?

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It makes perfect sense. Even though the bits of aircraft are all shredded up at impact, they still carry a significant amount of kinetic energy. Just like a soft lead bullet can penetrate a much harder target due to inertia and forward momentum, alumimum aircraft parts can still punch holes in concrete. And if not round, what shape WOULD you expect the hole to be?

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I respect your authority as a mod but why do you say that noones said anything when they HAVE?

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I didn't say no one said anything, I said I've seen no credible evidence presented. Don't put words in my mouth.

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Why do you have NYC with MORE than 50% of its residents saying they believe 9/11 was a sham. Surely first-hand witness accounts account for something!?!

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Not really. I trust the NTSB investigators far more than I trust the opinion of the average Joe on the street. Opinions are like assholes: everyone has one and they all stink. I'll take facts over opinion any day.

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but over in the Recreation forum I left because they had a post with people calling blacks "niggers". I noticed noone bothered to leave any mod notes over in that one.

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the real question is "who gives a shit"

You would, if this had happened to, say, Buckingham Palace.

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Fuck ME?! FUCK YOU! I've posted NUMEROUS times analytical reports and diagrams.

Spreading Proaganda? How the fuck can it be propaganda if i have evidence to back it up? Youre a goddamn moron. Get off your lazy ass and read a few posts back and you'll find not only MY proof but others as well. Pisshead, makor1 even fucking AMSTERDAM have posted things to back up what they say. I said something that sounds horrible and its propaganda now? FUCK YOU.

I dont have a degree in damage analysis. How does that make me ineligible to point out how physically the official story cant and never makes sense? I bet youre a government agent typing this shit. Do you realise what youre saying? "If something smells fishy it doesnt matter. The government has all the answers."

Reading your post you sound like a goddamn hick. It bugs the fuck outta ME knowing that just because a majority of you assholes can get together to decide on the future of america by picking anything southern fried or republican. Jesus Christ, with people like you voting, it doesnt gets hard arguing why we should disband the electoral college. you know what that is, you fucking yokel? YEEEEHAAWWWWW!!!! IMA HUNT ME SUM CRITTERS!

So case in point dont you DARE tell me im pissing on anyones memory ESPECIALLY when im trying to make people realise that we've been lied to FOR PROFIT. Fucking close-minded asshole.


Good day sir.

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yokel says this plain
answer me how those people that died GOT there at the pentagon if not in plane
hick? if im a hick your a ............never mind useless to piont out your flaws

yep and this hick says you need to stop your shit or pay the piper
and i aint no sir,i earned my rank,
asshole

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Originally Posted by NowhereMan

yokel says this plain
answer me how those people that died GOT there at the pentagon if not in plane
hick? if im a hick your a ............never mind useless to piont out your flaws

yep and this hick says you need to stop your shit or pay the piper
and i aint no sir,i earned my rank,
asshole

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dont waste your time nowhere man.just sit back and laugh.

[QUOTE=Beeblebrox.420]That was XTC. My bad.

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The ENTIRE airframe is made of aluminum. The struts, the bulkheads, everything. And how many of those other crashes had ended with the plane hitting a steel-reinforced concrete wall? I will tell you: none. There is a HUGE difference between a plane hitting the ground at shallow angle at takeoff or landing speeds and one hitting a concrete wall at cruising speed. besides, there was plenty of debris recovered from the Pentagon site.

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Right. Even though THOUSANDS of computer simulations have shown that such a thing is impossible. Ah, but what do computer technicians with a degree in physics know?

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No shit. I said this. Read my post again.

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No. Read MY post again after you read your post again. PLANE WINGS DONT LEAVE IMPRESSIONS. So how does it hit the pentagon...get its wings torn off...but with no wreckage if theyre THAT flimsy? Thats my question? No expert can give you an explanation to tell you otherwise. They can tell you the plane is made of aluminum though and thats enough for most people. Does that make everything else bunk?

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It makes perfect sense. Even though the bits of aircraft are all shredded up at impact, they still carry a significant amount of kinetic energy. Just like a soft lead bullet can penetrate a much harder target due to inertia and forward momentum, alumimum aircraft parts can still punch holes in concrete. And if not round, what shape WOULD you expect the hole to be?

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Yes Yes kinetic energy and momentum. I didnt expect a triangle but i also didnt expect a PERFECTLY NEAT SPHERICAL HOLE!

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I didn't say no one said anything, I said I've seen no credible evidence presented. Don't put words in my mouth.

Not really. I trust the NTSB investigators far more than I trust the opinion of the average Joe on the street. Opinions are like assholes: everyone has one and they all stink. I'll take facts over opinion any day.

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I'm saying is that you prove exactly what "shock jocks" like alex jones say. If CNN or Fox doesnt report it, then it's unsubstantial. You say "average joe" gives these opinions but that's far from the truth. You have HUNDREDS of experts in the field saying that the story is bogus. If the government had a story that was infallible then noone would have any opinions stating otherwise.

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Thanks for the assistance.

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You would, if this had happened to, say, Buckingham Palace.

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sorry but that fucking cracked me up, it really did.

Why the fuck would i give a shit if buckingham palace got blown up? You think every english person loves the monarchy or soemthing? I dont care about the king and queen.

A: Gosh darling..have you seen the papers? Buckingham palace has been blown up!
B: Oh dear. Well that is rather a rotten thing to do isnt it?
A: Lets all have a nice cup of tea to calm our nerves, and then we'll all watch the cricket

*"God save the queen" played in background

Just a quick note to BEEBLEBROX. You said plenty of wreckage was recovered. You didnt mention that all the debris was "found" days afterwards by the government. The same government that wont let us see ANY photos amidst all this criticism. If its just wreckage then why cant we see and quiet the resistance?

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yokel says this plain
answer me how those people that died GOT there at the pentagon if not in plane
hick? if im a hick your a ............never mind useless to piont out your flaws

yep and this hick says you need to stop your shit or pay the piper
and i aint no sir,i earned my rank,
asshole

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WHAT PEOPLE?!?! WE HAVE NO EVIDENCE BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENT WONT RELEASE ANY INFO! They could have had scarecrows in the plane for all we know.

Im glad im an asshole. An asshole that wont shutup and take the garbage you seem to revel in just so you wont have to do anything about it. Dont worry I dont agree with your opinions but Im still going to fight for your liberty. Im glad we have arguements because WE HAVE A RIGHT TO THEM. I'd rather have 200 people opposed to an idea that i like than 201 people who have to have the same opinion.

God bless America and God bless the people of every country.

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Why the fuck would i give a shit if buckingham palace got blown up? You think every english person loves the monarchy or soemthing? I dont care about the king and queen.

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Ok, so you're a callous ass. *shrug*

Some of us humans care if others are killed.

Oh, just read this. Includes photos of *gasp* actual wreckage, including an aircraft fuselage section on the Pentagon lawnwith a partial American Airlines logo on it, still-smoking building right in the background.

dont bother beeblebox.420,im telling you.just chuckle and move on.they are a lost cause.

before you know it they are gonna be telling you that you are violating some sort of international law and then as if on que they will dive into the "your a dummy" routine.thats really all they have.they hate what they dont have the ability to understand.

let them fight a friendly,caring war.

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Ok, so you're a callous ass. *shrug*

Some of us humans care if others are killed.

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dont be such a jackass.

I know, man. That was my last post in THIS thread. Well, except for this one. :D

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dont be such a jackass.

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Right back atcha.

Perhaps, I did jump the gun on this one. I just saw Penn and Teller Bullshit last night on Cinemax. They totally debunked this whole theory. I have done further investigating on some websites. There are holes on both sides of the story, sory but the plane one is looking a little more feasable.

Enlightenment! whoooo! :D

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Oh, just read this. Includes photos of *gasp* actual wreckage, including an aircraft fuselage section on the Pentagon lawnwith a partial American Airlines logo on it, still-smoking building right in the background.

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What wreckage? I read the post and the only photos are of a nice shiny piece of metal not even singed.

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Perhaps, I did jump the gun on this one. I just saw Penn and Teller Bullshit last night on Cinemax. They totally debunked this whole theory. I have done further investigating on some websites. There are holes on both sides of the story, sory but the plane one is looking a little more feasable.

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I saw the P&T episode too. i watch religiously and i love those guys. They were saying that "Conspiracy theories" were bullshit. NOT what happened that day. They brought out the dumbest looking dolts and somehow they represent the Truth movement?

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Oh, just read this. Includes photos of *gasp* actual wreckage, including an aircraft fuselage section on the Pentagon lawnwith a partial American Airlines logo on it, still-smoking building right in the background.

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Another hole. You used two photos. One with the big gaping hole. Notice how the hole starts from the ground up basically? Cmon man! PM even says the plane "bounced" and went 300 yards. But that cant be right if theres ONE hole on one side and then another one perfectly aligned in the middle where the "plane" stopped with wreckage in between. If it bounced then youre saying that it STILL would have left wreckage in between? Which story does PM want to use? Either one has holes.

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Originally Posted by XTC

Perhaps, I did jump the gun on this one. I just saw Penn and Teller Bullshit last night on Cinemax. They totally debunked this whole theory. I have done further investigating on some websites. There are holes on both sides of the story, sory but the plane one is looking a little more feasable.

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You didnt jump the gun at all. P&T didnt do anything except criticise in that episode without using any kind of questions people ask. They only made the opposers look like idiots.