Bush Impeachment: Read This. Will he last till 2008?

I found this while cruising the www.rotten.com daily News archive

article | posted June 1, 2005 (web only)
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Jeremy Scahill



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It was a huge air assault: Approximately 100 US and British planes flew from Kuwait into Iraqi airspace. At least seven types of aircraft were part of this massive operation, including US F-15 Strike Eagles and Royal Air Force Tornado ground-attack planes. They dropped precision-guided munitions on Saddam Hussein's major western air-defense facility, clearing the path for Special Forces helicopters that lay in wait in Jordan. Earlier attacks had been carried out against Iraqi command and control centers, radar detection systems, Revolutionary Guard units, communication centers and mobile air-defense systems. The Pentagon's goal was clear: Destroy Iraq's ability to resist. This was war.

But there was a catch: The war hadn't started yet, at least not officially. This was September 2002--a month before Congress had voted to give President Bush the authority he used to invade Iraq, two months before the United Nations brought the matter to a vote and more than six months before "shock and awe" officially began.

At the time, the Bush Administration publicly played down the extent of the air strikes, claiming the United States was just defending the so-called no-fly zones. But new information that has come out in response to the Downing Street memo reveals that, by this time, the war was already a foregone conclusion and attacks were no less than the undeclared beginning of the invasion of Iraq.





The Sunday Times of London recently reported on new evidence showing that "The RAF and US aircraft doubled the rate at which they were dropping bombs on Iraq in 2002 in an attempt to provoke Saddam Hussein into giving the allies an excuse for war." The paper cites newly released statistics from the British Defense Ministry showing that "the Allies dropped twice as many bombs on Iraq in the second half of 2002 as they did during the whole of 2001" and that "a full air offensive" was under way months before the invasion had officially begun.

The implications of this information for US lawmakers are profound. It was already well known in Washington and international diplomatic circles that the real aim of the US attacks in the no-fly zones was not to protect Shiites and Kurds. But the new disclosures prove that while Congress debated whether to grant Bush the authority to go to war, while Hans Blix had his UN weapons-inspection teams scrutinizing Iraq and while international diplomats scurried to broker an eleventh-hour peace deal, the Bush Administration was already in full combat mode--not just building the dossier of manipulated intelligence, as the Downing Street memo demonstrated, but acting on it by beginning the war itself. And according to the Sunday Times article, the Administration even hoped the attacks would push Saddam into a response that could be used to justify a war the Administration was struggling to sell.

On the eve of the official invasion, on March 8, 2003, Bush said in his national radio address: "We are doing everything we can to avoid war in Iraq. But if Saddam Hussein does not disarm peacefully, he will be disarmed by force." Bush said this after nearly a year of systematic, aggressive bombings of Iraq, during which Iraq was already being disarmed by force, in preparation for the invasion to come. By the Pentagon's own admission, it carried out seventy-eight individual, offensive airstrikes against Iraq in 2002 alone.

"It reminded me of a boxing match in which one of the boxers is told not to move while the other is allowed to punch and only stop when he is convinced that he has weakened his opponent to the point where he is defeated before the fight begins," says former UN Assistant Secretary General Hans Von Sponeck, a thirty-year career diplomat who was the top UN official in Iraq from 1998 to 2000. During both the Clinton and Bush administrations, Washington has consistently and falsely claimed these attacks were mandated by UN Resolution 688, passed after the Gulf War, which called for an end to the Iraqi government's repression in the Kurdish north and the Shiite south. Von Sponeck dismissed this justification as a "total misnomer." In an interview with The Nation, Von Sponeck said that the new information "belatedly confirms" what he has long argued: "The no-fly zones had little to do with protecting ethnic and religious groups from Saddam Hussein's brutality" but were in fact an "illegal establishment...for bilateral interests of the US and the UK."

These attacks were barely covered in the press and Von Sponeck says that as far back as 1999, the United States and Britain pressured the UN not to call attention to them. During his time in Iraq, Von Sponeck began documenting each of the airstrikes, showing "regular attacks on civilian installations including food warehouses, residences, mosques, roads and people." These reports, he said, were "welcomed" by Secretary General Kofi Annan, but "the US and UK governments strongly objected to this reporting." Von Sponeck says that he was pressured to end the practice, with a senior British diplomat telling him, "All you are doing is putting a UN stamp of approval on Iraqi propaganda." But Von Sponeck continued documenting the damage and visited many attack sites. In 1999 alone, he confirmed the death of 144 civilians and more than 400 wounded by the US/UK bombings.

After September 11, there was a major change in attitude within the Bush Administration toward the attacks. Gone was any pretext that they were about protecting Shiites and Kurds--this was a plan to systematically degrade Iraq's ability to defend itself from a foreign attack: bombing Iraq's air defenses, striking command facilities, destroying communication and radar infrastructure. As an Associated Press report noted in November 2002, "Those costly, hard-to-repair facilities are essential to Iraq's air defense."

Rear Admiral David Gove, former deputy director of global operations for the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said on November 20, 2002, that US and British pilots were "essentially flying combat missions." On October 3, 2002, the New York Times reported that US pilots were using southern Iraq for "practice runs, mock strikes and real attacks" against a variety of targets. But the full significance of this dramatic change in policy toward Iraq only became clear last month, with the release of the Downing Street memo. In it, British Defense Secretary Geoff Hoon is reported to have said in 2002, after meeting with US officials, that "the US had already begun 'spikes of activity' to put pressure on the regime," a reference to the stepped-up airstrikes. Now the Sunday Times of London has revealed that these spikes "had become a full air offensive"--in other words, a war.

Michigan Democratic Representative John Conyers has called the latest revelations about these attacks "the smoking bullet in the smoking gun," irrefutable proof that President Bush misled Congress before the vote on Iraq. When Bush asked Congress to authorize the use of force in Iraq, he also said he would use it only as a last resort, after all other avenues had been exhausted. But the Downing Street memo reveals that the Administration had already decided to topple Saddam by force and was manipulating intelligence to justify the decision. That information puts the increase in unprovoked air attacks in the year prior to the war in an entirely new light: The Bush Administration was not only determined to wage war on Iraq, regardless of the evidence; it had already started that war months before it was put to a vote in Congress.

It only takes one member of Congress to begin an impeachment process, and Conyers is said to be considering the option. The process would certainly be revealing. Congress could subpoena Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, Gen. Richard Myers, Gen.Tommy Franks and all of the military commanders and pilots involved with the no-fly zone bombings going back into the late 1990s. What were their orders, both given and received? In those answers might lie a case for impeachment.

But another question looms, particularly for Democrats who voted for the war and now say they were misled: Why weren't these unprovoked and unauthorized attacks investigated when they were happening, when it might have had a real impact on the Administration's drive to war? Perhaps that's why the growing grassroots campaign to use the Downing Street memo to impeach Bush can't get a hearing on Capitol Hill. A real probing of this "smoking gun" would not be uncomfortable only for Republicans. The truth is that Bush, like President Bill Clinton before him, oversaw the longest sustained bombing campaign since Vietnam against a sovereign country with no international or US mandate. That gun is probably too hot for either party to touch.

hey,thats gonna happen!!

and now,deep thoughts by Jack Handy.

The evidence will keep mounting up but I doubt anyone will have the balls to stand up and say "Your a criminal George Bush and we're putting you in jail!"

The sheep will follow, even if the war is proven as unjustified/illegal (if it hasn't been already).

Just have to wait and see I guess :D .

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Originally Posted by Button Basher

The evidence will keep mounting up but I doubt anyone will have the balls to stand up and say "Your a criminal George Bush and we're putting you in jail!"

The sheep will follow, even if the war is proven as unjustified/illegal (if it hasn't been already).

Just have to wait and see I guess :D .

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suuuuuuuurrrrrrreeeeeee it will. :cool:

Using a source from Rotton.com....same site they have the mugshot of Jesus. Great link NicholASS.

Good I hope he gets whats coming to him but Bush looks to powerful to touch he could shoot somebody dead at point blank and not get charged.

well it is never gonna happen so forget it.

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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

Using a source from Rotton.com....same site they have the mugshot of Jesus. Great link NicholASS.

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LOL. EVERYONE PSYCHO4BUD IS AN IGNORANT IDIOT THAT DOESNT BOTHER TO READ INTO AN ARGUEMENT BEFORE HE ATTEMPTS TO DISCREDIT IT! READ ON FOR FURTHER DETAILS!!

You fucking idiot. You real fucking clown. You real fucking asshole. I didnt get the article from rotten.com soley. They simply posted the news article that's available to the public from anywhere. If you bothered to read the VERY BEGINNING then you wouldve seen where the article was cited from. Now you're trying to make me look like a dumbass using some rinky-dink gossip source. Keep in mind I love the site and think it's very clever and well-thought out if you can get aside the gruesome pics they display. This just PROVES that you sit there with your thumbs in your ass and wait for someone to post with just a hint of an opposing view and that's enough to go after 'em. I dont care about being restrained with you anymore. You waste everyone's time and insult our intelligence by doing shit like that. I think it's too much of that Agent Orange. Me and many others are protesting and spending time out of OUR lives trying to convince others to get YOUR son out of an illegal and unneccessary war situation while you sit there fucking around. Fuck you man. Fuck you. I hope when an international incident hits and we're all in real danger of being caught in between you make up for this shit you pull by siding with people who actually care about others.

that just displays how superficial people are...

if i post something from prisonplanet.com or infowars.com it means that alex jones wrote it in some fanatic paranoid delusion...

when 95% of the time it's from a government website, reuters, the AP, haraatz, any of hundreds of local newspapers from around the country and around the world...army war college, library of congress, congressional testimony, legislation, c-span, congressmen's websites...foxnews...cnn...msnbc...

it's called lack of discernment. if it's not on the nightly news or mainstream...it's not real.

people are allowed to be their own gatekeeper for the news...i work in a tv station, so i know how the propaganda is disseminated.

it's easier to turn a blind eye to any corruption, on a local or federal level...then to actually have to realize that you may have to do something about it before it consumes the constitution and bill of rights and spits out a military dictatorship, to keep us safe. such is the history of the world.

but i know, corruption doesn't exist in America...quick! look over there at iraq...iraq is bad, therefore we have freedom.

Actually the source is The London Times...

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...632566,00.html

I agree with Amsterdam, Bush is in it until at least 2008. And, I wouldn't put it past the Bush and the neo-cons to try and find some way to keep him there after 2008.

The bottom line is that 9/11 was the best thing that could have happened to Bush and the Republicans. If it wasn't for 9/11 it's pretty certain that Kerry would be president now. Think about it, what has Bush done other than go after Al Queida, the Taliban, and Saddam? But 9/11 did happen and gave tons of power to Bush.

After 9/11 nearly all Americans were horrified at what happened, outraged at those who did it, and terrified it could happen again. Bush did what he had to do(and lets face it folks, Gore would have done it to) and went after Al Queida and the Taliban. It was an act of war against the United States and was neccessary. That's why even countries such as China, who normally disapprove of our foriegn policy, had no problems with our going after the bad guys.

Bush didn't stop at Al Queda though. The U.S.' success in Afghanistan made Bush a hero. He began to use this, along with the outrage and fear felt by people after 9/11 to fuel his own agenda. Suddenly Bush was the good guy and could do no wrong. Anybody who disagreed with Bush was anti-American. To agree with Bush means you are a patriot. To disagree means you are a traitor. Think about it, how many times has Amsterdam labled someone anti-American for saying anything negative about Bush? Go ahead Amsterdam, say the same thing about me. I expect it.

So, impeach the hero of the United States? No way! Most people are sheep, and since now they're frightened sheep, they'll continue to follow Bush. At least Amsterdam is right about something.

9/11 gave tons of power to the federal government and executive, not just lord Bush. all of this transcends lord puppet bush, the blueblood from new england.

the next president, republicrat or demopublican, will continue the power grab and sink us even further into totalitarianism. if it's a democrat, the democrats will love the dictatorship...if it's a republican, the republicans will love the dictatorship...until the people realize that both sides are the same...hopefully before it's too late.

i guess it's a good thing we had troops massing around afghanistan before 9/11 happened...yet another coincidence.

Well, he deserves to be impeached. What he did was 100,000 times worse than getting a blow job in the Oval office.

However I dont think it will come to pass.

Also GWB senior is already talking up Jeb to run in 2008. But I dont think we will get that far.

Too many are wakeing up already, from here on out they will have to take a more aggressive approach to getting the people in line.

Look for another attack between now and 2008.

Even Tommy Franks says after the next one we will more than likley push to abandon the Constitution. Get that out of the way and Bush can stay in office forever.

Maybe he will set up some rap rooms for himself and his buddies. Maybe he wont.

They only need one more reason to take control totally, and if the religious riech gets what they want. All non beleivers or any who oppose will be removed in some way shape or form.

If you listen to Hitlers speeches, as he talks about the Jews. Just picture in your head Bush talking about Muslims and "terrorists".

Their message is exactly the same. And with the Patriot act makeing it an act of terrorism to speak up like we are.....

Well now you get some of an idea how the Jews felt when Hitler started his descrimination.

The main problem is that Bush and his followers are dupeing Americans into beleiveing that all that dont follow their god are terrorists.

And that includes Athiest, Agnostic, hindu, Budda, muslim, Rastfarian..... Any religion that doesnt follow what they say is the path to heaven will be deemed "terrorists"

Go to the American Taliban thread and read those quotes.... These men are very very scary, and they preach the same violence as the Taliban does for non beleivers.

Peace.

I'd also like to add that in order to invade Poland. Hitler had Reinhard Himlech(sp). Dress jews from concentraction camps in Polish army uniforms and staged a raid on a radio station on the polish border.

After broadcasting a hate message for the Germans, Hiemlich then killed the jews in polish uniforms and claimed himself to the the german people as a hero.

This man was also known as the Butcher of Prague. The british helped train members of the Chech resistance to kill Hiemlich.

He was assasinated in Progue, altho he lived thru the main attack it was an infection in his spleen from the horse hair seats that killed him.

My point being, with so many similairities between America and Germany at the respective points in time.

Why is it so hard for people to realize it is a possibility and they HAVE to look at it, and ask the questions for themselves.

Peace.

yep, hitler most certainly staged terror attacks as people voted for him and cheered for him...the radio station one you mentioned and the reichstag fire as well...enabling act...reich security...

people today can't comprehend that their government would do that to them...but when you look at 9/11...you know the rest.

and when you consider all the other things our government has done...leaving men and women behind in the phillipines to be killed and used for propaganda purposes...knowing full well in advance of pearl harbor...involvement in the oklahoma city bombing...waco where they burned men women and children to death...giving black people syphilis (tuskegee experiment)...testing the military, making them breathe DU and walk through radioactive fallout...

it goes on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on...

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Originally Posted by pisshead

9/11 gave tons of power to the federal government and executive, not just lord Bush. all of this transcends lord puppet bush, the blueblood from new england.

the next president, republicrat or demopublican, will continue the power grab and sink us even further into totalitarianism. if it's a democrat, the democrats will love the dictatorship...if it's a republican, the republicans will love the dictatorship...until the people realize that both sides are the same...hopefully before it's too late.

i guess it's a good thing we had troops massing around afghanistan before 9/11 happened...yet another coincidence.

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"The leader of genius must have the ability to make different opponents appear as if they belonged to one category. "
Adolf Hitler


This is a very hard message to sink into many skulls PH.

Ive done some of my own research into the way people think and what I have come to learn is that not many can see the big picture because their brain stops them.

When things get to scary for the brain it ignores things it doesnt want to see.

And people that use Imagination in combination with Logic are able to see the big picture allot easier than those that cant do this. Coupled with a curiuos sub conscuios it allows these rare thinkers to see things for what they really are instead of ignoreing the scary things.

The term for this way of thinking is called "Creative Theorist". And its the rarest of thinkers... the actual number of people who can think in the big picture terms is only 6 out of 1000.

This is something I looked into after wondering why people cant put the logic train together in their heads.

Peace.

So the two gutless little bitches need to trash again....boo,hoo,hoo!
To bad nutless one and his girlfriend NicholASS have to hide behind a monitor.

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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

So the two gutless little bitches need to trash again....boo,hoo,hoo!
To bad nutless one and his girlfriend NicholASS have to hide behind a monitor.

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I think Pisshead along with Bluecat and others have begun to get the job done. Not only have we woken a few others up but we've also managed to reduce the negative nay-sayers like this asshole into simpering idiots. Notice no points or anything relevant...no mention of how he loves his son fighting in the war...no mention of even an apology. He instead calls us little bitches. Tell me Psycho, you say we're hiding behind monitors but what would you have us do to confront you? Fly out from wherever we are in the world to meet you for tea and crumpets? I don't get it...do you even have a son in iraq...do you even know what military life is like? Every post you make paints you as some nut with nothing better to do. Oh well, there's gotta be a few bad apples. Even with stoner's i guess.

Your living proof of that bitch! Like I stated before, the best part of you dripped down your mommas thigh during birth! My kid is in the service and I'm very proud he did what he did. What pisses me off is two fuckin fruit cake no it all idiots trying to demise what these kids are trying to do. Remember your comments.....Lady Killers, etc.....FUCK YOU ASS CLOWN!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

Your living proof of that bitch! Like I stated before, the best part of you dripped down your mommas thigh during birth! My kid is in the service and I'm very proud he did what he did. What pisses me off is two fuckin fruit cake no it all idiots trying to demise what these kids are trying to do. Remember your comments.....Lady Killers, etc.....FUCK YOU ASS CLOWN!!!!!!!!!!!

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LOL you seem pretty angry.... since the only place to get the emotion anger is to feel fear first.

I am curiuos as to what you are afraid of.

What is it about the things we say that make you so afraid?

I know the answer to my own question, you will feel much better if you faced the fear instead of allowing the anger to blind you.

Peace.

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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

Your living proof of that bitch! Like I stated before, the best part of you dripped down your mommas thigh during birth! My kid is in the service and I'm very proud he did what he did. What pisses me off is two fuckin fruit cake no it all idiots trying to demise what these kids are trying to do. Remember your comments.....Lady Killers, etc.....FUCK YOU ASS CLOWN!!!!!!!!!!!

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You forgot to mention how I explained my remarks because i accidentally posted before proofreading. And what's with this momma's thigh stuff? So my mom gave birth to me standing up?

If it turns out I'm wrong I'll gladly eat my words, but I think there is too much die-hard support for him. One can hope, though...

George W baaa Bush can baa, baa do no baaa wrong. He baaa is my baaa, baaa hero

We are on the march...

My son is in the service to Psycho...so that is no excuse to not hold the government accountable....

do you think any of the senators are going to send their kids into battle?

It is up to us to lobby to get our kids home.
Oh and the soldiers are not dummys...well maybe the jarheads...lol They know they were mislead...
I can't speak for other platoons but I know the one my son is in...and 95% of them do not support BUSH...and they do not think we should have invaded under false pretenses...

For the record, I support our troops 100%. They are the best are are doing their job wonderfully. It's not their fault that their boss is an idiot.

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Originally Posted by amsterdam

suuuuuuuurrrrrrreeeeeee it will. :cool:

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Sure what will?

Lol, dumbass! :D

Support the troops, support America, fuck the lying government. Is that so hard to comprehend?

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My son is in the service to Psycho...so that is no excuse to not hold the government accountable....

do you think any of the senators are going to send their kids into battle?

It is up to us to lobby to get our kids home.
Oh and the soldiers are not dummys...well maybe the jarheads...lol They know they were mislead...
I can't speak for other platoons but I know the one my son is in...and 95% of them do not support BUSH...and they do not think we should have invaded under false pretenses...

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Saying they were mislead means that the U.N. was on the level and that there were no WMDs. Seems funny that a underground facility west of Bagdad was recently found full of goodies for the insurgents. I guess they secretly made a facility 3 football fields large with running water, AC, etc.... Sadamm surely wasn't hiding this site from U.N. investigators.

Heres another story I found on a site:

In a new report to the UN Security Council, satellite imagery experts said biological sites were less affected.
The report said the dual-use equipment could be used for legitimate but also "for prohibited purposes".
However, it warned that experts had been unable to determine the destination of all the items removed.
The UN Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission (Unmovic) has not returned to Iraq since the US-led invasion in 2003.
But it has continued to monitor the sites in Iraq that had been subject to inspection until then.
Stored elsewhere?
The 21st quarterly report gives more details of an investigation begun more than a year ago, an Unmovic spokesman told the BBC News website.
Ewen Buchanan said the findings had been derived from satellite images - dual-use material could be stored in a shed next door to a site, but this could not be ascertained unless you were on the ground.
Of the 411 sites inspected between November 2002 and March 2003, Unmovic experts have acquired and examined post-war high-resolution imagery covering 378 sites, the report said.
"Experts have determined to date that 109 of the sites (of which 90 had been identified in the Commission's previous report) were cleaned to varying degrees."
Dual-use equipment and materials subject to UN monitoring had been removed totally from 52 sites, and partially from 44 sites.
These account for approximately 7,900 items of dual-use equipment and material - 130 biological, 4,780 chemical and 3,000 missile-related.
Unmovic said biological sites were less damaged - only 12 of the 109 were biological sites.
A third of the chemical items removed came from al-Qaqaa industrial complex south of Baghdad which was "among the sites possessing the highest number of dual-use production equipment, whose fate is now unknown".
BBC News

http://www.almendhar.com/almendharen....aspx?nID=3643


But I'm sure Piss and ASS will find some shit saying Bush owns interest in this Iraqi news site. Nothing on you Blue and best of wishes to your kid. It just seems damn funny that some people would rather believe shock jock bullshit instead of engineers reports, etc..... But what the fuck, I'm just an ol' government tool waiting to be lied to. :D

and it amazes me that if you look back historically...the government has lied before...why should it stop now? I don't know why you find it hard to believe.

What you missed in that report you posted is that the UN was complaining that THEY had satelite monitoring equipment on the dual-use equipment and materials...they were watching it. After the US invaded the UN lost its ability to monitor and the stuff disappeared....most of it was outdated and as for chemical weapons...the things that they did have were outdated and past the expiration date....it was no reason to invade.

In his final word, the CIAâ??s top weapons inspector in Iraq said Monday that the hunt for weapons of mass destruction has â??gone as far as feasibleâ?� and has found nothing, closing an investigation into the purported programs of Saddam Hussein that were used to justify the 2003 invasion.

maybe you should read the CIAs report....

http://www.cia.gov/cia/reports/iraq_wmd_2004/

I think at this point the war in Iraq is being used just like any other media event here in the US guys.

They use it to keep the left hand from knowing what the right hand is doing. Funny how that saying fits so well to desrcibe your political system aint it?

The left hand dont know what the right hand is doing... but they are both on the same body.

Go figure

Peace.

ahh but the left hand knows full well what the right hand is doing...and we aren't going to let him get away with it! Its time to amputate....lol
You are right...everything they say about Iraq is to cover what they are actually doing..making a profit....

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and it amazes me that if you look back historically...the government has lied before...why should it stop now? I don't know why you find it hard to believe.

What you missed in that report you posted is that the UN was complaining that THEY had satelite monitoring equipment on the dual-use equipment and materials...they were watching it. After the US invaded the UN lost its ability to monitor and the stuff disappeared....most of it was outdated and as for chemical weapons...the things that they did have were outdated and past the expiration date....it was no reason to invade.

In his final word, the CIAâ??s top weapons inspector in Iraq said Monday that the hunt for weapons of mass destruction has â??gone as far as feasibleâ?� and has found nothing, closing an investigation into the purported programs of Saddam Hussein that were used to justify the 2003 invasion.

maybe you should read the CIAs report....

http://www.cia.gov/cia/reports/iraq_wmd_2004/

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I was going to rebut with that same arguement thanks for the break

No problem... :D

i sure as hell didnt vote for bush...nor do i support him...i sure hope they kick his ass out in 2008.

Maybe there is hope after all. I just read a Washington Post article that states people here are starting to turn away from the omnipotent one.

*Nearly three-quarters of Americans say the number of casualties in Iraq is unacceptable

*For the first time since the war in Iraq began, more than half of the American public believes the fight there has not made the United States safer,

*two-thirds say the U.S. military there is bogged down

*six in 10 say the war was not worth fighting

*More than four in 10 believe the U.S. presence in Iraq is becoming analogous to the experience in Vietnam.

*52 percent -- disapprove of how Bush is handling his job, the highest of his presidency

*62% disapprove of the way Bush is handling social security

Here's a link to the article http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...060700296.html

Wahay!! That's good news! :) Good old yanks.

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...*two-thirds say the U.S. military there is bogged down...

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thats the TRUTH there man...were so up to our necks in shit in iraq, there is no easy way out now.

Amsterdam is right, Bush has too much power in the branches and in Congress. He could whipe his ass with the Consititution if he wanted to and still remain in office.

We have had bad men in power for so long we no longer know what a good man is suppossed to do with power.

The difference between Iraq and Vietnam is that we're not just helping one side of a civil war, we started the war, and we simply CANNOT withdraw without losing face; well, I say fuck it, let's lose face and get the hell out of there!

On a side note, read this quote by Goering, a high-level Nazi under Hitler, and tell me Bush's regime isn't the new Naziism:

aturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.