Who will win the war on drugs?

*sigh* after reading that thread with the link to www.freevibe.com , I'm starting to lose faith. I mean I'm seeing more and more people who actually believe the propogandist lies fed to them by so many groups, that weed will make you go psychotic, or shoot your friends, or destroy your mind, or is 10 times more cancer causing than tobacco and on and on and on... I'm hoping we'll win and one day it will be legal everywhere, but there are times I'm terrified that the nations will be overthrown by government/conservative imposed ignorance (not meaing all conservatives of course) .

what do you guys think? will we ever win against the lies, any guesses how much progress and how soon?

EDIT: shit, screwed up and lost my pole :(

rofl im looking at the "post ways youve said no"

this one person says "all drugs are bad, one puff off a cigarette can lead too two puffs which will make you addicted, it will kill your love for your family and passion for life"

omfg.....i wet myself laughing

I personally think that the War on Drugs will not be won by the conservatives. The truth is, the market is enormous, and contrary to what you may have heard and such, it is growing. What we see with Cannabis is that is quickly becoming a drug like Alcohol was during the days of prohibition. And such, the legalization of Cannabis is inevitable, because the government will eventually decide it's losing way too much money hunting and incarcerating potheads. Then it gets taxed and the weed industry becomes a corporation. When (if) this actually happens, weed will be free to buy and own, but it'll be damned expensive. :cool:

Its not like Democrats (or Liberals in Canada) have had nothing to do with the war on drugs. Of course they didn't lash out as badly as republicans, but they still contributed.

I don't think the war on drugs is as simple as one side winning and one side losing. The government has been lashing out for years and years against recreational drug users, and we are still around, so in that sense they have lost. But they have done us (and the rest of the world) a lot of damage along the way.

*sigh* What a waste of money that could have gone towards something valuable.

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Its not like Democrats (or Liberals in Canada) have had nothing to do with the war on drugs. Of course they didn't lash out as badly as republicans, but they still contributed.

I don't think the war on drugs is as simple as one side winning and one side losing. The government has been lashing out for years and years against recreational drug users, and we are still around, so in that sense they have lost. But they have done us (and the rest of the world) a lot of damage along the way.

*sigh* What a waste of money that could have gone towards something valuable.

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very true, government will always be trying to prohibit things=/

i don't think a tax will be too effective, considering the relative ease of growing your own buds. but i guess moonshining is still illegal.... maybe it will be like that.

GOod ole Corn WHiskey=P

i watched this thing on the history channel about moonshining, rumrunning, and bootlegging. good times.

In the relatively short term, i think no one will win. The governmet will fight to prohibit it and the user will fight to use it. in the long term, I can only hope that truth will tiumph over falsehood, but I know this may take a long time. I think that there are no winners in the war on driugs, ever since it was turned into a war. I hope addiction and substance abuse can be defeated, but i think the war on drugs will rage as long as i'm alive.

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In the relatively short term, i think no one will win. The governmet will fight to prohibit it and the user will fight to use it. in the long term, I can only hope that truth will tiumph over falsehood, but I know this may take a long time. I think that there are no winners in the war on driugs, ever since it was turned into a war. I hope addiction and substance abuse can be defeated, but i think the war on drugs will rage as long as i'm alive.

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True, no war has ever truly been a simple matter of winners and losers.

In a report released today, Dr. Jeffrey Miron, visiting professor of economics at Harvard University, estimates that replacing marijuana prohibition with a system of taxation and regulation similar to that used for alcoholic beverages would produce combined savings and tax revenues of between $10 billion and $14 billion per year. In response, a group of more than 500 distinguished economists -- led by Nobel Prize-winner Dr. Milton Friedman -- released an open letter to President Bush and other public officials calling for "an open and honest debate about marijuana

http://prohibitioncosts.org/

a little good news anyway...

Cat

yea i saw that. i've always thought it would be cool to walk straight into a congress session and be like "HEY! give me ONE GOOD REASON why you won't legalize pot right now" and have like a bunch of people there to back you up with a bunch of facts. even though.... i was really high when i thought of that plan and in retrospect.... you'd probably go to jail.

neither side... drugs will always be a problem... it gets harder and harder to get caught, but they try harder n harder to find us... u can never stop drugs being made

Drugs will win. There is no possible way that the government could render extinct cannabis, coca, opium, psilocybin mushrooms, peyote, etc. As long as these drugs are around and people are taking them, the War on Drugs and Personal Freedom is failing. Plus, as Dr. Andrew Weil puts it, "The desire to alter consciousness periodically is an innate, normal drive analogous to hunger or the sexual drive."

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Drugs will win. There is no possible way that the government could render extinct cannabis, coca, opium, psilocybin mushrooms, peyote, etc. As long as these drugs are around and people are taking them, the War on Drugs and Personal Freedom is failing. Plus, as Dr. Andrew Weil puts it, "The desire to alter consciousness periodically is an innate, normal drive analogous to hunger or the sexual drive."

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Very true! :) lets just hope we'll eventually recover from the social setbacks by the Bush administration, particularily in the elimintation of basic freedoms.

Thanks for setting back social progress for many years George :rolleyes:

i will win the drug war

I can't imagine it ever changing from how it is now.

Look at how ridiculous it is that now, in 2005, weed is still illegal.

If it isn't legal now, why would it ever be?

No individual or goup is willing to stand up. No President will ever stand up.

We're all too stoned to make a fuss over it maybe?

It's way too easy to get now anyway. The gov't is hemorraging money keeping it illegal. But that is nothing new to the gov't!

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*sigh* after reading that thread with the link to www.freevibe.com , I'm starting to lose faith. I mean I'm seeing more and more people who actually believe the propogandist lies fed to them by so many groups, that weed will make you go psychotic, or shoot your friends, or destroy your mind, or is 10 times more cancer causing than tobacco and on and on and on... I'm hoping we'll win and one day it will be legal everywhere, but there are times I'm terrified that the nations will be overthrown by government/conservative imposed ignorance (not meaing all conservatives of course) .

what do you guys think? will we ever win against the lies, any guesses how much progress and how soon?

EDIT: shit, screwed up and lost my pole :(

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Nope we arent ever gonna win, just aint gonna happen....if it does happen tho thatd be cool.

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Originally Posted by BlueCat

In a report released today, Dr. Jeffrey Miron, visiting professor of economics at Harvard University, estimates that replacing marijuana prohibition with a system of taxation and regulation similar to that used for alcoholic beverages would produce combined savings and tax revenues of between $10 billion and $14 billion per year. In response, a group of more than 500 distinguished economists -- led by Nobel Prize-winner Dr. Milton Friedman -- released an open letter to President Bush and other public officials calling for "an open and honest debate about marijuana

http://prohibitioncosts.org/

a little good news anyway...

Cat

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that's very good news! Hmm... i think that marijuana will one day be legal... but alot of joints will be lit untill then. War on drugs is stupid, each year new drugs are introduced that are worse than the ones before.

oh yeah!
i got a idea
go on the www.freevibe.com forums and tell them the truth! that'd make whoever runs freevibe.com a very angry polar bear

depends what goverment gets in power in the UK, lib dems (one of largest parties) said they will declassify it. But fuck it i'm gunna live over in france or holland when i hit about 17-18 get out of this shit country! I think i might pay a visit to amsterdam some time next year!

i wanna move to the dam'!

But wouldn't it be hard to start a job over there? like after college?

most of you guys only know our government by the bush administration...it'll end soon enough and what he has done can be just as easily undone. no reason to give up...yet. we've had worse before and we'll have worse in the future but the beauty-part is, it'll end after 4 or 8 years and we'll all do more of the same...

I am for the war on drugs, "Heroin, Cocaine, Ecstasy, Crack, Nicotine and of course prescription drugs that are addictive". Somethingâ??s need to be illegal in society but Marijuana is not one of them and I say that because if Nicotine and Alcohol is accepted by the government then they should also allow Marijuana as well.

It is very important that EVERYONE goes out to vote for pro-Marijuana laws. Even if it is for medical reasons and it does not affect you, it is still one step forward, do not be lazy and not vote.

And remember

Unless you like the way America is with the Bush admin today...

Next time VOTE for democrat

I for one don't think any drugs should be illegal. Not marijuana, not tobacco, not crack, not heroin. Having control of the contents of your mind should be a pretty basic human right. Everybody should be able to do whatever substances they please so long as they don't hurt anybody else or anybody else's property. Using the government to force other people not to make stupid decisions is a big waste of my money.