has anyone ever heard of grafting on to treetops bieng succesfully done? that would eliminate many problems including watering and deer,rabbits, people ect...
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has anyone ever heard of grafting on to treetops bieng succesfully done? that would eliminate many problems including watering and deer,rabbits, people ect...
Grafting? You mean taking a cutting from a pot plant and make it grow on a different plant, like a tree in the forest? No it does not work that way.
well ive heard of the hops, cannabis graft being done before so I dont see why it wouldnt be possible especially if the two stems are similar in structure. perhaps it just needs to be done right. why not use mimosa hostilis for thc above and dmt below kinda like tomatoes above and potatoes underground.
Pot is a resin producing plant. It has different nutrient requirements and cell structure then most any tree I can think of. You don't even graft pot plants to make crosses you cross pollen.
well yes I know how to cross pollinate and make new strains. but dont forget pot has a very woody stem with fibers that are very very strong. Henry Ford used to make hemp fiber car bodies that he could bash a hammer off and the thing would be unscathed. try that with fiberglass. hemp fiber paper has waaay more longevity than our modern paper. I see what you are saying about the nutes though.
maybe I will try test grafting to different kinds of small trees for tests. im not trying to say it can be done or anything but if it worked somehow it would be pretty different than most methods. by the way Zandor those are some damn huge monsters that you grow there. could a waterfarm bucket be big enough to grow monsters like that?
I use 5 gallon buckets with lava rock......grow rocks are not strong enough and the plants top over.
I am all for anybody trying something different. Good luck and keep me informed will ya.
lets go further, a tree is chillin and you want to cut a branch high up, then splice a marijauna plant with the cut. two cuts at 120 degrees and place the cuts flush together. taping together with that green plant tape. What plant is the most similar to marijauna. Also Can you splice like a rose onto a hydro plant in veg. Using the same method described above. Why you ask? Because im weird. That simple.
Don't forget pictures, I can't wait to see them either.
Peace dude
ok I will line up a couple guinea pigs and give it a shot. they will be dedicated to the name of science hehe. if anyone else can spare a cutting or two and give it a try that would be cool.
This could be a life long project for science and the bud smokers of the future. I feel like a scientest sometimes. But both methods im going to try. My uncle splice grapefruit and lemons this way.(by graphting) There's alwayse problems though. Special care i.e. Feeding the main plant different nutes, maybe using a clonex solution for better fusion of the stems. Only vigorous strains should be used. And Probably need fat ass stems on the bud, like 1/2 inch maybe
lol wierd i had your same idea the other day ,what plant is closest to mj anyway?
I have no clue as to grafting, but I can tell you that we have a tomatoe plant in the same res as our girl and the tomatoe plant has tripled in size within 7 days and thriving beautifully. We've been discussing moving her because she is absolutely taking over. My point, our tomatoe has thrived with a ph of 5.2-6.2 and ppm of 1330-1350. It seems to tollerate and agree with both the nut requirments and the ph. I can post a pic, if you would like.
Grasshopper playing in the weeds is me!
I heard that the closest plant to mj is the hops plant. You know the one they make beer with. Unfortunatley thats not a tree. so that sux.
used soybeans to make that dent proof car body your refering to
actually it was a hemp fiber body and it was 10 times as strong as steel
Hey whilst you are busy trying to graft a rose plant that gets you stoned it might help if you placed a mirror right on the graft spot to insure the proper light.
Dont fail this endeavor simply cuz you didnt have enuff mirrors :)
Oh keep one thing in mind...
the HOST plant will pass any genome changes to the parasite...so if youre chopping a MJ stem and binding it to another tree, it will become like the tree.
Try a pine tree....they produce sap and resin and hold mirrors really well.
good luck!
or maybe if you bend the thing like you are squashing it into the ground that will help.
"the HOST plant will pass any genome changes to the parasite...so if youre chopping a MJ stem and binding it to another tree, it will become like the tree."
sorry but plants dont pass traits only water and nutes if that were the case the hops thing would be done more often
the idea of treetop grafting is to keep plants away from animals and humans and let the tree itself do the watering naturally
i want to see some photos
Grafting hops and cannabis is possible, so why trying other mixes it won't work. In the dicotyledon's family, there is only cannabis and hops. So you've got to graft hops onto a cannabis stem. It will produce hops fruits with THC. There are other methods also that i don't know, but this one works, if the 2 plants are old the same.
Fhydro
it's been tried years ago, according to mel & ed's book and it doesn't work. if it did don't ya think we'd all be growing thc-infused hops?
Only to speak about what we know, i'm going to realise it. I've got the canna seeds, i know where to purchase hops seeds, they grow the same, and i keep informed, with pics. All in hydro...
Fhydro
del is right, it`s been done, just think about it, graft a lemon branch onto an orange tree, both citrus family, and that branch will grow lemons only, not orange flavoured lemons. the same holds to hops and cannabis, the hop will be a hop with no thc
graftings for cactus
hello harmonicminor, , i have been watching this thread and have been fasinated by it, i done some experiments about 6 years ago, i tried to do just what you are disscussing, my atempt failed miserabley, however i wernt to be put off and tried the same on loads of different plants, i never tried it with a hop plant, but i did try it with various grapevine strains, i never managed to get the cannabis plant to flower or grow very much but i did keep it alive for the whole season. i might be a littel late as my grape vines are full of grape but i am gonna take some cuttings from my weed and graft them on a couple of my vines to show you how i did it,........ i hope you dont mind, hey i failed trying this, but i am so so convinced that it can be done with the correct plant i just thought you might like to see how far i get doing it, it might not work ,as like i say my grape vines are loaded...... just thought it worth a try again....
............. peace mate ......... happy ...................
hello again harmonicminor
i have just done it jus a few mins ago, here is how i did it, i dont know if it will work again as like i said it is late in the season and the vine is heaverly loaded with grape,
there are a lot of pics i hope you are happy to let me post them here, i just think it could be usefull.......
first pic shows , the tools of the trade, are a very sharp knife, a bowl of tepid water, a roll of waterproof insulation tape, and a bog roll.....
2nd shows the plant i want to take a clone from,
3rd shows the me taking the cutting
4th cuttings in the tepid water, its realy inportent to use tepid or at the most luke warm water. i will post some more pics straight after this..
.................. peace happy.................
hello again,
5th pic is the donor grape vine, i chose a fairly shady spot, so the midday sun wont cook it....
6th pic shows where i wanted to attempt this graft to take place, i chose here just as i chose where to take a clone on the weed plant. for best results you will need a supple shoot, there were not that many available on the vine, so i used this fresh sprout....
7th pic is the splice, i cocked up first time and cut the vine sprout off, so i done it again, realy the graft should be a little longer but i was worried about chopping this one off too. i kept it close to the node but far enough away to be able to tie it up, i just sliced the knife downward cutting into the vines stem not to deep just enough to create a flap of stem
8th, shows doing the same with the weed, only difference it was in the oposite direction, its inportent to not go to deep....
more pics to follow in a minuet peace happy ....................
hello yet again
the 9th pic shows the two coming together. i just sliped them together like you would do a jigsaw puzzle. the outer flap of the weed must be stuck against the inner stem section and visa-versa .....
10th pic shows a golf ball sized lump of soaking wet bog roll wrapped firmley around the joint, its importent that the contacting sufaces of both the weed and the vine are tightly together,
11th pic shows water proof insulation tape wraped fairly tightly around the bog roll ball, this is difficult as the water gets on the gluey side as well, but i just kept going and eventauly i got there.
12th pic show the final joint, tied off with plastic ties,
i know there are better stuff than bog roll but i did not have any spagnum moss handy, the bog roll i use is bleach free lol, if its good enough for my arse then its good enough to grow plants in lol hahaha,. i realy dont know whats going to happen this time, if i can keep it alive again long enough who knows, like i said before i have never managed to get the weed to flower, i have managed to keep the plant alive for a season, and managed to fuse the two plants together, it might be possible to get a vine growing indoors under lights and fuse the two together for longer, well i hope you are ok with me posting these pics, i just thought i would give it another go and show you all that sometimes you can do some realy strange things with weed,
peace to you all ...................... happy .........................
see now we are talking. yeah thats really cool of you to add some tips and pics. now that we know it can be done with grape vines I dont think other grafts will be out of reason. I think I will try a maple graft this week then. I will post pics too but im not going to do anything as high tech as yours but I will use proper cuts and wrap thread around the graft or something. maybe even plain old duct tape to hold in the moisture.
hey did you smoke the grapes maybe they were moby grapes
hi , i never got further than keeping the graft alive for more than a season, if my climate was longer who knows, i dont expect anything to flower and give bud or anything like that, and i certainly aint albert einstien, i just wanted to explain that it can be poss to graft weed to a vine, it must be possible to graft the weed to some living plant other than weed and get it to respond and maybe flower.
humans have have pig livers, hearts, kidneys, and a host of other foriegn parts inplanted into them in aid to save, help or prolong there lifes, now if thats possible whos to say that its not poss to get weed to do something simular, i have successfully grafted multiple weed strains on a donor weed plant and had bud, this might look cranky but if we all sat around taking the piss out of different insperations and ideas then fuck all would get invented.... this thread that harmonicminor has started should not be knocked, it should be incouraged. just becourse a book says it cant be done it dont mean it cant, how long have humans been doing succsessfull heart transplants , its not that long, and they were saying only 30 years ago that it cant be done. and today its an everyday thing.
i truley 100% believe in my heart that it will become possable to graft weed on a living plant other than another weed plant, and other plants not just weed.....
this atempt may well fail, its not a prob i am only doing this to show that it can be done.
i do make my own wine, and i do infuse it with a heavy dose of my best buds whilst it forements, and i can say i have never had better wine, if it were poss at some time to create a vine that has some thc content then how cool would that be, mmmmm
can i have a glass of crystalized chardonay waiter please, hahaha , trust me the day will come, i can feel it it my bones lol ( well whats left of em lol )
........ peace .................. a stoned and drunk happy .............. hic hic !! burp
hehe I was going to ask if you made wine and infused it with some bud.
hey how about Redhaired redwood trees? hehe we can park our cars in the trunk of it and take an elevator to the top. ok maybe we should combine the dna of redwood with indica lol
hi, harmonicminor
wow that would be some tall weed plant, yeah go for it mate, its only gonna cost ya a few clones, i would like to think it could be possible on something like a rasberry bush, as these are very easy to take cuttings off, and they root easy, i think though if you wanted to attempt to put thc into a donor plant then the graft would have to be the other way round like you would need the weed to be a donor plant and the graft should be the subject you wanna change. i dont think its that impossible to graft the weed to another plant, the problems acure when you want it to flower and grow,
i checked the graft this morning day two and its still very much fresh with no signs of any wilting, this means that at the very least the weed graft is taking moisture from the tissue paper, that means its healthy, last time i acheived this it took about 8 weeks to fuse the two i dont think i will have much longer as it will be our harvest time, but i will try my best, if nothing else its fun trying again .............
................ peace .................... happy ......................
happy chappy could you update us in the plants current state of health
yeah sure no probs, just took this pic about ten mins ago, the graft had wilted quite badly this morning, its been very hot here for the last couple of days and the tissue ball had dryed out, i have watered it twice since then and it seems to have picked up again, this little guy is even bending upward reaching for the sun, iwill give it another few days and i will begin feeding it with very week solution, just to give it a little tonic should it not be able to accept the vines juices yet,.... hey guys this brings back some cool memorys,
peace ................. happy ............
why dont you spray the leaves with water with a suitable amount of fertiliser as it will go directly to the plant
hi hubblebubble,
i do spray my cuttings with a mild feed, i wont spray this as its a little to close to my grapes, i can feed it via a hole i have left in the tape, i have checked it and it is still alive, i have not watered it at all for the last two days and its been quite hot here, so its gotta be getting moisture from the vine. there is still a very long way to go, but who knows it might work again, if by some chance that it does work again, i will take the stem that this clone is grafted to and attempt to clone that, so as i will have just a much smaller plant to work with and maybe i could bring it indoors and keep it going a little longer, i will keep ya posted on its progress,
....................peace to ya ................. happy ................
ive often wondered about that grafting strains together idea,dont know where i first read of that but it is like something that ya wish ya could do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zandor
we all want to play mad scientist i guess and create the best of the best.
peace
id be really happy if this works out then ill give it a go myself what what kind of climate are they in happy chappy
hi
in answer to your question i am in the uk ......and the weather is hot at the moment, but could change quickly to heavy rain and cold nights its often cloudy or overcast at the least, but when the sun shines it gets hot.
ok the signs so far are pretty good, neither the weed graft or the vine graft are showing any signs of trauma, infact the weed is stretching upward for the sun, and the leaves at the end of the vine are sill very healthy and are not wilting attall, i was expecting the vines leaves to crinkle and dry up, that would be a sign that i went in to deep with the knife and have stoped its flow of nutriants getting to its extemities, the weather has been very warm here for the last few days and i have wet the tissue a little today just to be on the carefull side, there is still a very long way to go, things could still go wrong.
hi nowhereman,
its easy to graft weed to weed, i have done that many times, mainly for fun, its very easy to graft to a mother plant several strains of cannabis, i cant say that i achieved a new strain however i did get different bud from the same motherplant.
gardeners throughout the world have been grafting different plants for years, roses, fruit trees, various shrubs and plenty of regular household plants, to name but just a few, hey, take a trip to your local garden supplies and take a look at all those standard upright plants in expensive pots, look for a obvious swelling around the bottom or top of the stem, this would have been the graft, this is done becourse it turns an otherwise everyday plant into something that looks real nice, and puts its price up, plant grafting is everywhere its nothing new. it just needs a lot more experiments like this, i wish i had done this earlier in the year i would have a much better chance, but hey its worth another go.........
.............. peace happy ............................