hey hi Ron or anybody.
well ppl here (like me) often talk bout politics but theres no forum for a such subject and i dont undestand why. so if u could add one Ron that would be great!
thx!
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hey hi Ron or anybody.
well ppl here (like me) often talk bout politics but theres no forum for a such subject and i dont undestand why. so if u could add one Ron that would be great!
thx!
mellow
did you try the politics section below ???
fuck. im really really really stoned. sorry lol.
wow i feel dumb lol
Hhahah, but the thing is, the politics board is overrun by crazies, which is why I don't post there anymore.... if your lookign for a migrane headache from concentrated stupidity.... then go check out the politics board.
Ah what? Don't give up Hydrizzle.
*gang of crazy liberals with glowing eyes*: "come prove us wrong"
The politics board is were you can go and watch Torog and Pisshead duke it out...
Good reading never disappoints...
its a blast!!
I'd say it's more Pisshead and Amsterdam :D . Poor Pisshead!
Torog's offensive, but in the politest possible way.
you got that right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Button Basher
<jk>Quote:
Originally Posted by Hydrizzle
Shit yeh!! There's people in there that actually voted for Bush!!
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at to everyones relief he won.
ROFL "some ppl there actually voted for Bush" hahahahhaa
Like 2... and then there are 2 that voted for kerry
wow it's such a diverse and colorful politics board.
and to everyones relief W won!
It's futile, I dont know how you do it, Amsterdam, arguing with those lunatics who think Bush caused 911 intentionally. Also, that aliens are coming and are in cahoots with bush...
oh yea man bush knew for 911 for sure. u couldnt even imagine how this guy can be crazy
A favorite of mine is Laurence Britt he listed 14 characteristics of a dangerous fascist regime:
1.Obsession with national security:.so how many of you have lost your favorite lighter or those dangerous nail clippers to homeland security?
2.the melding of religion and Government: â??Washington Briefingâ? March 17-19, 2005. During this event, House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Texas) and Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-Tenn.) addressed attendees and pledged that Republican leaders in Congress would work to implement the Religious Rightâ??s controversial political agenda... Hmm scared yet?
3.powerful progressive nationalism: Now we all know how hatred unites people. People take satisfaction from the idea that we are good because our enemies are evil. Let's get those evil doers! I heard some women the other day say she hated the Iraqi people that they are bad people...I ask her why and she looked at me as if I were stupid and said they killed all those innocent people in the twin towers.... Tom made me walk away... he literally took my arm and pulled me away! damn damn double damn triple damn HELL!
4.suppressed labor power: well now...ours labor comes from china! but Bush signed his name to four executive orders on organized labor, remember that mess?
5.obsession with crime and punishment..Police officers don't have to give a reason at the time they arrest someone, the U.S. Supreme Court said in a ruling that shields officers from false-arrest lawsuits. .lets handcuff a few more 5 year olds...closet pedophiles...
6.manipulation of election proceedings...LOL not even worth a comment OK I will.. how to rig an election in the US I love this site..http://www.informationclearinghouse....rticle4031.htm
7. Rampant cronyism and corruption...Bush has cronies? no not him...interesting a synonym of Cronyism = discrimination
8.protection of corporate power...hmm can you say Halliburton,Walmart, Lockheed, oh never mind it would take a month or more...
9.controlled mass media....We all know Fox news reports fairly....
10.rampant sexism...hmmm lets see homophobia, anti pro choice, subservient stepfford wives...for starters
11.use of scapegoats and pubic identification of enemies: CIA leak what leak?, list is too long on this one...ask Ann coulter or hannity they know all about it
12 .disdain for intellectuals and the arts:.A group of more than 60 top U.S. scientists, including 20 Nobel laureates and several science advisers to past Republican presidents, accused the Bush administration of manipulating and censoring science for political purposes.. And we all remember ass-croft covering poor Davids jewels! Where's a calico cat when you need one!
13.Supremacy of the military...how much did we spend again? 400 WHAT?
14. and last but certainly not least....DISDAIN FOR THE RECOGNITION OF HUMAN RIGHTS Let's ask good old Gonzales on this one...naked pyramid anyone? OK don't answer that one..lol
Sinclair Lewis said it best....
"When fascism comes to American it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross...
pretty scary,eh
The problem with hydrizzle is he goes in to the political forum expecting everyone to listen to him and change their point of view accordingly.
The point of an argument isn't necessarily to change someones perspective or opinion, what's wrong with sharing it in a constructive manner?
I might lean toward the majority of Liberal opinions on the political forum but at least I can agree to disagree. Ever heard of the word 'priorities'? Much like hydrizzles deal with the Liberals, the Republicans on this site used to irritate the shit out of me to the point it was just depressing, then I toked a joint and simply thought 'well why not?' :cool:
I don't agree with most of Torog's, Amsterdam's, Hydrizzle's opinions (etc) but I can still see where they are coming from. The dumbest thing I can do is get my tutu in a tangle because someone doesn't share my opinion. The most intelligent thing I can do is embrace and consider it.
The very, VERY least I can do is run away in a little girls tantrum reassuring myself i'm right and everyone else is wrong. Luckily i'm smarter then that...
Howdy BB,Quote:
Originally Posted by Button Basher
Excellent ! There may be hope for you yet ! :)
Believe it or not,I do mostly listen to the other side's opinions..and try to understand whether or not,I'm wrong..I believe that God works in mysterious ways and that He sometimes delivers messages through us..therefore..it's prudent of me,to try and discern if there's a possible message being delivered to me,even if it comes from my detractors.
By discussing the issues with each other,we also define our beliefs and what we stand for..something which is often not tested and is often put on the 'back-burner'..defining ourselves,is also a maturation process,as well.
Have a good one !
Right on Torog.
You probably missed it before but let me apologise again for my behaviour last time there was a discussion on firearms in the UK and US. I acted like an immature twat but I think it's my interest in the politics forum alone that has taught me to embrace American culture and it's values. You guys are a lot different from us but I won't hate you for it like most people I know. :)
Let's all just get along for god's sake :rolleyes: .
I used to be into talkin politics. Then I learned that ALL politics is LIES. It all comes down to what LIES you want to believe. Conservative LIES or Liberal LIES. You never find a conservative telling a liberal : That's a good point, maybe you're right. I think that I'll change my mind and agree with you.
BTW, legalizing MMJ should be a conservative principle. Keeping government out of people/doctor decisions is a conservative principle. So is the (US) state's right to make it's own laws.
OK that's it, I refuse to talk any more politics.
Blue cat, all what u said is awesome. i wonder whats Torog point of view bout that? Torog? any answers?
Republicans are trying to use the "nuclear option" to seize absolute power and we all know the saying absolute power corrupts absolutely. They will appoint judges who will roll back years of progression protecting the people that keep this country running, we the people, the workers. Judge Janice brown is just one example with her extremist judicial philosophy that calls for courts to block congress in blocking things like guaranteed 40 hour work week,the minimum wage,The Clean Air Act, the Clean Water Act and the Endangered Species Act. These judges have no regard to the future of our children, the middle class or the poor. We all know the nuclear option is a trick to eliminate the filibuster.One of the main arguments used by Bill Frist and other conservatives about employing the nuclear option to eliminate the filibuster of judicial nominees is that the Democratic use of the filibuster to oppose judicial nominations is unprecedented. He has called the use of the filibuster to oppose judicial nominees dangerous and radical. On his own website, there is a text of a speech he gave to the Federalist Society on November 11, 2004, where he said:
The Senate now faces a choice: either we accept a new and destructive practice, or we act to restore constitutional balance.
C. Boyden Gray, Chairman of the Committee for Justice, believes that the liberal's use of the filibuster to block judges violates the "constitutional principle of Separation of Powers. The Constitution grants the Executive primary power over judicial appointments while granting the Senate, as a body--not partisan factions within it--a check via majority vote. By altering that standard, the Senate Democrats are, in effect, arrogating power to the Senate from the Executive."
According to Gray, the liberal filibuster of judicial nominees "is absolutely unprecedented. Its history is two years old."
This is, simply put, a big fat LIE!! On March 8, 2000, thirteen Senators, all of whom were Republicans, attempted to filibuster Marsha Berzon for U.S. Circuit judge. You can read the roll call vote right here. Eight of these Senators are currently in the United States Senate: Allard (CO), Brownback (KS), Bunning (KY), Craig (ID), DeWine (OH), Enzi (WY), Inhofe (OK) and Shelby (AL). None of these eight have expressed opposition to the elimination of judicial filibusters, a practice they themselves once tried to engage in. Later that same day, those same thirteen Senators, in addition to Senator Bill Frist, attempted to filibuster the nomination of Richard Paez to US Circuit Judge. Can you spell flip flop?
Conservatives know that thee is a history of attempting to block judicial nominations through the use of the filibuster. They know this because some of them participated in such attempts. Bill Frist (the cat killer google it, it is true by his own admission)participated in one such attempt.
For Republicans, the real principle behind the attempt to destroy the filibuster for judicial nominees has nothing to do with the Constitution, It is, in short, a power grab! They want the world. :mad:
http://www.moveonpac.org/nuclear
Would you believe me if I told you what I said was a message from God, Torog?Quote:
Originally Posted by Torog
Thanks Mellow like your name wish I could be mellow more...lol
answers would be nice too....the brain washed arm chair marines drive me nuts....my son sees the poor kids being killed....They are mostly poor students that want to pay for college or they had some church tell them they would go to heaven if they join see http://www.forceministries.com/ then there are the thousands of guys being maimed. The new helmets actually cause the eyes to expolde and more head injuries. Never in any war has there been so many head injuries. They don't talk about them!!! My son tries to put them back together....he is in the army AND he is anti war. Most people with brains are Anti-war...there is a hell of a lot of difference in serving your country and just wanting to kill people...I get really pissed off....I am proud of my son and I worry every night people like amsterdam and torog unless they are there unless there family is there they need to shut up!
think I'll go mellow out....TTYL
pissed off Cat
Howdy Blue Cat,
Every soldier,should be against war..but they should also understand..that Freedom ain't free..and to sit by and do nothing-while others suffer under brutal oppression..is wrong. Your son,should direct his anger,towards those who attacked America..and therefore,the Free World. He should be angry at cowardly,muslim jihadists,who disguise themselves as women and civilians..and will murder children,to accomplish their goals of jihad and Darfur.
Have a good one....
i pray every night their aim is true.thanks to all who serve.
thats why i donated 1000$$ at x-mas to sniper units in iraq.that way everytime i hear of a dead terrorist insurgent i can smile and give a little chuckle hoping that i bought some piece of the equipment that helped.
wow
thats bad
really
i dont donate to buy bb guns.i bought a scope,a bunch of ammo,camo suits,etc.etc
Quote:
Originally Posted by mellow mood
maybe we should arm our snipers with sling shots.or as zell miller put it best,"what are we supposed to fight with,spitballs?"
Ok I won't waste my time here the debate would be fruitless if you think it is l the muslims he should be mad at. Iraq had nothing to do with 911 that was OSAMA BIN LADEN big friend of the Bush family remember them they live in SAUDI ARABIA where 98% of the terrorist come from but hey we like them so we will attack the weakest link and kill those people even though they had nothing to do with it. Yes there is bombs going off but they are not from Iraqis notice the violence has gotten worse because of THE INSURUGENTS coming from other contries hence the name "insurge" Bush just picked the playing field but he is too big a pussy to be there himself once the real enimey started coming into the country. You don't even know who your enemy is.....get an education. As for using saving them as a reason to invade a country...it is bullshit and I don't want to hear it...1st it was WMD now those poor people need help there are people in North Korea , China ,Africa that have needed saving a lot longer if that is "Our job" why Iraq? My son has his head on straight, don't you even begin to give him advice, you don't worry about him. what is YOUR military experience?...are you too old to sign up whats the problem? whats stopping you? If your disabled I am sure you have a brother or sister you can talk into this war you beleive in so much.. You can talk about it....well big man... or woman as the case may be recruiters are everywhere put up or shut up..Quote:
Originally Posted by Torog
or maybe we should aim at hallibuton and their ass lickers....
good one,very clever.
so why donate money at all...why not your self? whats stopping you from taking out those insurgence and saving the world? Why send others to do a job you love so well...nothing like seeing a MPG take the head off your buddy while you are shooting at insurgences....get this he raised his hand as if to stop it before it hit him...that poor child of 19 and with todays technology they get it all on film...WOW! Bet you just love that....THe insurgences will leave the country once we get our asses out!!!! We want the oil...this deal has been worked out with the suadis for a long time... We don't belong there it is that simple...we did not belong in vietnam either...why don't you do a little research instead of getting yourself off on killing people
your one sick puppy....
i tried to join the marine corps in '03 but was denied because i had a criminal record.so i get involved in other ways.
the insurgents wont leave when we do.thats why the iraqis havent asked us to leave.the terrorists want to set up an islamic state.thats why we are there.to kill them.give them their wish.
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueCat
you obviously no nothing about the military.the vietnam war was 40 years ago??GET OVER IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!is that where you learned those big words like quagmire??
RPG,INSURGENTS,WAR,ETC.
go preach that liberal bullshit somewhere else.try the dailykos or the aclu.com
WTF big words? I married a man 27 years older than me he was in vietnam...My daughter married a marine and my son is in the army those are words you hear....unless you are just an arm chair soldier with a big mouth !!!History tends to repeat itself "when we get over it" You are my case in point...Quote:
Originally Posted by amsterdam
Bullshit my son in law had a felony charge and they took him....try again...
go preach I want to kill all the muslims elsewhere try...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/browse
you'll love it there...
I don't have anymore time for you little girl I'm gone I have better things to do you go back to playing your war games