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After hearing the arguments put forward by the people accused of abusing Iraqi "prisoners" at Abu Ghraib prison I believe I may well have heard their excuses before.
Wasn't the defense of Nazi soldiers who carried out the hollocaust "I was only following orders" ?
They should be locked up for the shit they did and be subjected to what they put others through, IMO.
Any thoughts ??
With you all the way. I anticipated they were probably "just following orders" since the whole scenario came up. Kick all those responsible out of the army, back to their families in shame.
And the same for the Brit troops abusing Iraqi prisoners.
what torture??
Oh right, of course. The media would never air this in the US would they :p .
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4553829.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3701941.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4539033.stm
Enjoy.
no i have seen all that 1000 times.i dont see any torture?
we should be doing alot more.
The great American ideology triumphs again.
not at all,but that wasnt "torture"
what we do now is nothing.the last time we were attacked at home we dropped two atomic weapons and wiped out two cities.
torture my ass,wheres your balls?
though, I may not agree with their actions against the prisioners, I dont think in imprisioning are men and women of the Armed Forces. Their risking their ass out there and then you imprison them for fighting for our country. All is fair in love and war.
agreed.
So the Geneva Convention only applies to allied forces and we can only be outraged by abuse to people on our side, mmmmmm .Quote:
Originally Posted by XTC
Smacks of hypocrisy.
I wouldn't call guarding prisoners "fighting" and they should be accountable for their actions.
Amsterdam is so narrow minded , it beggars belief that you think it is ok to treat any person in the way the prisoners were treated .
naked pyramids god forbid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh !!!!!!!!1
the geneva convention dosent apply to those people obviously.
I dont think anything that went on in that prison was right....but i do however think that war should NOT be fucking put on national TV. War is ugly...plain and fucking simple...HEY psychocat take a look at some of the sites hosting what they do to our american prisioners. 2 Wrongs do not make a right, but when it comes to war...ignorance is bliss. We should NOT be watching this on national TV AT ALL!!!!
the media causes alot of people to die.
War is political, so what's wrong with political correctness in war?
I'm finding it hard to understand your one sentence posts amsterdam. I thought you were implying the US marines should have been torturing the prisoners (I wouldn't call it torture, just abuse, which is just as well 'cause noone mentioned torture before you did).
most of these people were captured on the battlefield fighting without a uniform or leader.
abuse.sure there is gonna be abuse,so what??
ahhhh, that's betterQuote:
This message is hidden because amsterdam is on your ignore list.
first time ever I have put someone on ignore on any of the boards I go to....when I come here I want to relax, not be wound up by some childish idiot who has no sense of decency/reality......I have my fair share of ding-dongs on other boards!
and relax...... :D
if i didnt ruffle your feathers i didnt do my job.
love the name calling though,nice job.
you should learn to be more tolerant of other peoples opinions.
and relax....
liberals dont get mad when people lie,they get mad when someone tells the truth.
As you said in the religion thread:
What is truth?
that what was happening the so called "abuse" was nothing.there arent these horrific things going on at abu ghraib or gitmo.
the terrorists better hope they are captured by us instead of the iraqis.thewn everyone is gonna cry that we shouldnt have left iraq.
The idea is we are the civilised freedom fighters that believe in peace and democracy.
A bunch of redneck fucks taking photos of eachother treating Iraqis (human beings, whether they like it or not) like shit obviously isn't gonna go down well with those with moral values (ie. the rest of us).
'It could be worse' isn't really an excuse. When you publicise a moral and just war, you better stick to your promise. If we're the "good guys", we should act the part.
but then all these people couldn't practice double think...where it's okay if we do what the terrorists do, as long as we're the 'good' guys.
There really isn't any streight forward rules of war, or in war. Just because the Jeneva Convention is in place, do you think some of the soldiers are going to obay by that? There's allways going to be some torture during war times. War has been here sense the dawn of mankind, then torture probably came later. That's just my openion though. If anybody has something to say about it, then do so.
I don't understand how any human being can treat any other human being in that manner. And it's not just these guys.. I don't get how anybody can intentionally harm another person, that includes murder, torture, rape, war, fighting, etc.... This kind of stuff blows my buzz. :(
that's because yer one-a 'dem freedom hatin' liberal terrorist sympathizer pinko commie traitor bastards.
learn to love the new freedom. worship the new freedom from your freedom rest and relocation concentration clown camp...coming to a town near you.
I hear you on that one, and that's understandable Ghost.Quote:
Originally Posted by GHoSToKeR
You've been affected by the subtle racist mentality that presents itself in North America (and NOT just the USA, by any stretch). When it happens to foreigners, we say "All is fair in love and war". When they abduct our reporters and slit their throats, its an outrage.
War is horrible in every way, so many atrocities go on that it is impossible to call things "right" or "wrong". Right and wrong are just words.
But that still doesn't make it right to shove a broomstick up a prisoner's ass. I'm sorry, but they should be treated as equals, fighting for us or not. That means jail time.
If you think the treatment of the prisoners is wrong what do you think they did to Saddam or the Al-Quedia terrorists. The CIA had those people, and the CIA pretty much does not answer to anyone. Al-Quedia and Saddam's hunch men don't listen to any "rules" for war. It's a war. I mean I am against this war, but it happenedregardless what I thin, and there shouldnt be any consequences for the people who are actually battling in this war for America.
Yes, those that are bravely battling. Not cowardly beating down prisoners when they are weak and powerless. Does it take more to be a soldier in the battlefield or in prison security?Quote:
Originally Posted by XTC
and the people responsible are in jail or going to jail(sadly)
Rape and murder have been with us for centuries , does that mean we have to accept those things too ???Quote:
Originally Posted by stoner spirit
A so called civilised society that advocates cruelty and torture isn't that civilised now is it?
it wasnt cruel and it sure wasnt torture.
I couldn't help myself.....wasn't cruel!!!
begorrah....yr mommy and pappy sure brought you up to be a nice little boy didn't they :mad:
did they keep you in a cage in the coal house?
yeah...i read the army's own 47 page report that was publicly released, and little reported...probably a year ago, maybe less...
they describe some pretty gruesome stuff...stuff you could only call torture.
but i guess saddam was only blowing off a little steam when he tortured too. it's all good.
We don't have to except rape and murder, and even in a civilized society its gonna happen. Its not gonna go away any time soon.
i read the same stuff,nothing special.shit happens.
god forbid some people get their little feelings hurt.
you're no more sick in the head than saddam if you read the army's 47 page report and agree with torture.
but it's okay...every major freedom spreading country or empire in history has done the same thing.
post a link to the report that you read.
Could you show what "gruesome stuff" that the U.S. troops did? I've read and heard of such things as bambo shoots under the nails, cutting off of limbs, sleep deprovation, being made to eat and drink your own waste in order to survive...etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by pisshead
The U.S. and the coallition forces, due to smart technology, made one of the most "humane" invasion attacks in history but when a smart bomb goes off track and civilian lives are lost we are called baby killers. Why? As I recall, during WW2 the Nazi's were ruthless in the attacks on the Soviet Union and the Soviets returned that with just as much or more ruthlessness onto the Germans. Burning of entire towns and crops, raping of women and children, lining up all men for execution as to exterminate any thoughts of resistance. And how do the governments of the Middle East deal with such people that we "tortured". Beheadings, cutting off of limbs, possible retaliation on their families. Did we really step that far out of bounds considering the "form of justice" that the region practices. My God, we even honored the sanctity of the Mosques knowing full well that fighters and weapons were being stored in them! Alot of countries during a time of war would have made the Mosque into a pile of rubble with a "to bad so sad" attitude about it.
As I remember, Sadamm didn't hold too much faith in the so called Geneva Convention act when he invaded Kuwait. Looting hospitals of goods, leaving helpless babies to die...etc....
Please tell me where the U.S. drastically crossed lines in regards to Iraq. I've been reading all this bullshit as how the war was about our greed for oil. Seems funny that the last oil contract signed for new fields in the Kurdish sector was to a Canadian firm. If crooked politicians from other countries would have stood by the Food for Oil contracts as intended instead of lining their pockets with kickbacks maybe we wouldn't have had to take matters into our hands. Oh yah, the United Nations should have the say....so says Kerry and Klan. Now we find the nations that were against the war were dirty with kickbacks and higher ups in the U.N. aren't much better. Due to their "Sadamm backing" how many thousands of Shiites and Kurds lost their lives? How many acts of torture was Sadamm able to achieve due to the help of these pissant countries? How many school girls was Sadamms boys able to rape due to this?
Now honestly sit down and look at past war history and the coruption of the U.N. system as it played out and tell me what horrible acts of torture the U.S. committed.
P.S. If you respond, Please, don't be from France....you government done enough!!!