How can I possibly be clean? (Chronic users please chime in)

Like so many of us, I am faced with a terrifying pre-employment screen coming up. (10 days from today, hopefully longer) Fortunately, and unlike a lot of poor souls, I was able to give myself as much time as possible.

I last smoked December 15th. (29 days ago) I consider myself very well educated on all things drug testing related, but I am confused as to how I began testing clean at only 23 days - given my very slow metabolism, lack of exercise, and chronic use. (which is noted below)

My question is this: How can I possibly be testing clean? I began testing myself at day 23, morning voids daily, using 3 different brands of at home tests, and have yet to fail a single one, leaving me to question their validity. (Though I hear good things of their accuracy and reliability)

Any other chronic users out there with poor metabolisms getting clean relatively quickly? After reading through tons and tons of information on the web, although every single person is obviously different, I was under the impression I could be testing dirty as long as 60+ days given my metabolism and intake. I had already purchased a wizzinator and was planning on subbing. I did not foresee passing home tests consistently, and certainly not this early in the game.

I was able to give myself an extra 6 days before the actual test, and plan on hopefully even getting a few more extra days, putting myself at what will be 42 days clean. Given my home test results, I will not be diluting completely on actual test, but I will up my protein/creatine intake in the days prior to the test, and will be well hydrated when the time comes. (Unless I'm given reason to take another approach.)

I will continue testing morning voids daily until the day of the test, and will keep everyone apprised of my results.

Am I fretting over nothing? Should I trust in these hometests and stop sweating it?

Would love to hear from Burnt Toast on this! Side note on that: I've been beating drug tests for years and though I have never posted here, I've literally probably read almost every post Burnt Toast has made in this forum, and consider him the authority on all things testing. And even if he doesn't respond on this one, it's worth noting I'm grateful for the time and effort he has put in over the years. You've helped thousands, literally - So a cheers to Burnt Toast. :thumbsup:

Body type/Metabolism:

• Age: 27 year old male
• Height: 6'4"
• Weight: 250 lbs
• Very poor diet
• Very, very minimal excersise
• Athletic body, but overweight
• Body fat % high

Usage:

• 10 years occasional usage
• Past 2+ years chronic user
• 1.5 to 5 grams weekly
• High grade from dispensaries
• Intake: Vaporization, Occasional Edibles, Occasional oil

You must have a good liver, it filters out the toxins and gets rid of the weed evidence

Maybe try doing the opposite of what is recommended, time permitting. THC stores in fat cells, when you burn fat (time and fat burning exercise) it metabolizes, the metabolite created is what they test for in a UA. I would spend a day or so doing fat burning exercise and see if you can get a reading then.

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Originally Posted by tenbongs

Maybe try doing the opposite of what is recommended, time permitting. THC stores in fat cells, when you burn fat (time and fat burning exercise) it metabolizes, the metabolite created is what they test for in a UA. I would spend a day or so doing fat burning exercise and see if you can get a reading then.

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That's a good call. I had been exercising a bit to aid in burning it out, but haven't had a whole lot of time lately.

When it comes time for the real test though obviously I'll be as sedentary as possibly in the days directly proceeding it. No problem there :)

Halo, Keep testing yourself with the first urination of the day.

If all of your home tests are consistently negative with the first urination of the day, then consider yourself one of the lucky ones to get "clean" in a respectable amount of time. Perhaps you have been selling your metabolism short the whole time, eh? :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Burnt Toast

Halo, Keep testing yourself with the first urination of the day.

If all of your home tests are consistently negative with the first urination of the day, then consider yourself one of the lucky ones to get "clean" in a respectable amount of time. Perhaps you have been selling your metabolism short the whole time, eh? :thumbsup:

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Thanks for the input :) I very well may be too critical of my metabolism. I'm not "fat" but I think a lot would probably consider me overweight. After work I'm going to do a bit of exercising to see if I can produce a fail.

I took two more tests today, morning void and then just now this afternoon. I passed these as well, though oddly enough they were both considerably more faint than the previous tests taken. But still have two lines and would be what I would call a negative. Today is day 30 clean and I've now passed 5 morning voids, starting on day 23, along with 3 afternoon tests. Have yet to definitively fail any. I'll continue testing daily. I ordered one more brand of at home test and it should be arriving today or tomorrow, I'll continue to post results.

I smoked some hash I made 4 days before my test and just chugged 2 gallons of green tea and took like 3000mgs of niacin over 3 days and I passed

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Originally Posted by iGanja

I smoked some hash I made 4 days before my test and just chugged 2 gallons of green tea and took like 3000mgs of niacin over 3 days and I passed

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No biggie here. Youve passed by diluting. If what youre saying is indeed true, then you wouldve passed using two gallons of water. You wouldve passed anyway via the fluid-loading alone and without the niacin to go with it.

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Originally Posted by iGanja

I smoked some hash I made 4 days before my test and just chugged 2 gallons of green tea and took like 3000mgs of niacin over 3 days and I passed

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Yes, this is dilution. I am referring to legitimately passing.

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I took two more tests today, morning void and then just now this afternoon. I passed these as well, though oddly enough they were both considerably more faint than the previous tests taken. But still have two lines and would be what I would call a negative. Today is day 30 clean and I've now passed 5 morning voids, starting on day 23, along with 3 afternoon tests. Have yet to definitively fail any. I'll continue testing daily.

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Halo, the afternoon tests youve took arent exactly anything to place any credence upon. Thats because those tests were taken at a period in which you have likely voided at least a couple of times prior - combined with any fluids youve likely consumed during the course of the day as part of maintaining normal hydration. These two conditions make for some skewed test results because of reduced urine concentration - and this reduction is only temporary. Thats why it is urged that the first urination of the day should be used when testing yourself, because it is the most concentrated (ie; THCA concentrations are at their highest).

Faint lines mean nothing - except a negative. Even synthetic urine controls (which contain no drug metabolites at all) can produce a faint line on an assay.

A negative is a negative..:smokin:

Oh ya absolutely Burnt, thanks for the response. I've definitely been testing morning voids. I just have been running a couple afternoon tests as that will be the actual time of the drug test. But yes afternoon tests have just been of sheer curiosity.

Odd though, I've gotten awfully faint lines over the last two days, fainter than any days previously. They are even a bit fainter in the picture than in person though, but any thoughts?
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From FirstCheck's own website:

Any line next to the word Drug or the drug abbreviation (depending on the test you have purchased), no matter how dark or light, is considered a Negative Result and no further testing is required. It is possible that the intensity of the lines will vary among the drugs being tested for due to a variety of reasons such as; how diluted the urine is, the pH or protein level of the urine, or interference from a metabolite in the urine that closely resembles the drug.

Lol it's funny how much a little validation from fellow smokers goes, but it's really tragic how much a lot of us have on the line with these unjustified tests :/

I think you are all most there!!!:) Good Luck!!!
Let me know how it goes!

Hey Burnt, another question for you if you have a second. My test got moved up to either this Monday, or possibly Tuesday. Which will put me right at 34-35 days clean.

I'm still testing negative on home tests, and honestly I wish I could put more faith in them, but there is a lot on the line here and given the amount I've smoked regularly over the past couple of years, I just can't believe that I am naturally clean in this amount of time. (Hopefully I'm irrational, wouldn't that be grand)

I'm going to be mildly diluting. I've had some problems in the past coming up as a total dilute, which I'm trying desperately to avoid.

My question regards creatine, or rather, the amount I should be taking. Obviously I'll begin several days prior to the test.

I am planning on just taking the pill form, probably these:
GNC Pro Performance® Creatine Monohydrate

How many mg's a day do you think would be adequate? Again, I'm not going for a full dilute, just enough to make sure I'm very well hydrated at the time of the test, while avoiding a diluted result.

I was thinking around 7000mg a day would be adequate and remain healthy?

I recently read an article that has me feeling a bit disenchanted on creatine loading:
Effect of Oral Creatine Supplementation on Random Urine Creatinine, pH, and Specific Gravity Measurements

I am so sick of obsessing over all things drug testing :\

Another thought that I've been mulling over the last week.

Instead of hydrating with gatorade, what about slim fast? Given it's weight, viscosity, and it's vitamin content - this seems pretty logical to me whatcha think?

In an afternoon test, I'm thinking the morning of the test, loading up on a full gatorade along with 2 or maybe 3 slim fasts? Am I way off here or could that help raise my S/G?

Just found out :\

Cannabinoids 20 (ng/ml) screen, 10 (ng/ml) confirmation

As of now I've passed 9 different morning void tests starting on January 11th, up until today. Three different brands. Obviously all of which were 50 ng/ml test, which has me concerned. I'm a nervous wreck.

I'm at 36 days since last use today. Test will be sometime this week, trying to give myself a couple extra days. Not feeling to confident about things right now. Anyone think I should just sub?

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Originally Posted by halo09

My question regards creatine, or rather, the amount I should be taking. Obviously I'll begin several days prior to the test.

I am planning on just taking the pill form, probably these:
GNC Pro Performance® Creatine Monohydrate

How many mg's a day do you think would be adequate? Again, I'm not going for a full dilute, just enough to make sure I'm very well hydrated at the time of the test, while avoiding a diluted result.

I was thinking around 7000mg a day would be adequate and remain healthy?

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Read post #8 of this thread: http://boards.cannabis.com/drug-test...ing-limbo.html

Given the lower cut off standards that I'm facing, I'm going to go ahead and sub using Golden Shower Synthetic.

After reading through the employment packet I received today, it pretty much has me weak in the knees.

I'll probably end up mixing 70% synthetic with 30% of my own just to ensure it passes in the lab. Even without dilution, I'd give myself an 80% chance of passing. Basically I'll be diluting with synthetic urine. I'm very close to being completely clean as is.

This is the part that is really upsetting to me. I'm not going to get into the career field here online for obvious reasons, but I had to sign a waiver and "enroll" in a program that allows them to put my results in a database that will bar me from future employment in the career field (with any employer of this job type) for 6 months AND ALSO requires attendance to a rehabilitation center upon failure. The career works as a contract with multiple facilities, rather than each facility testing me individually, they all take part in this enrollment program. Basically, the enrollment program is responsible for my pre-employment test, along with randoms throughout my employment - not my actual employer. Employers of this job type pool together in the program.

If I didn't have to sign the waiver myself, I wouldn't even believe it. My jaw dropped after reading it. I'm starting to regret this career field, especially after working so hard to get certified in it.

The whole day has pretty much been a downer, I'm pretty upset about it. Appears as though my smoking days are over :\

I'm not even sure anyone is actually reading this thread, but I'll let everyone know how the subb goes and answer any questions if they come up. Life sucks.

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I'll probably end up mixing 70% synthetic with 30% of my own just to ensure it passes in the lab. Even without dilution, I'd give myself an 80% chance of passing. Basically I'll be diluting with synthetic urine.

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Mixing your own urine with synthetic is an unwise move, especially if your urine is diluted and/or not completely drug free. And if your own urine is indeed clean, then why bother with subbing?

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I'm very close to being completely clean as is.

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How do you know for sure that youre "close to being completely clean" without having a quantitative analysis performed on the urine sample? Home tests (as well as the initial assay screens performed at the lab) are a "go/no-go" endeavor and lack the ability to provide a quantitative value. In order to obtain quantitative values, the urine sample would have to go thru the GC/MS.

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Originally Posted by Burnt Toast

Mixing your own urine with synthetic is an unwise move, especially if your urine is diluted and/or not completely drug free. And if your own urine is indeed clean, then why bother with subbing?

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I won't be diluted, and I'm near clean as it's been 37 days, and I'm testing below 50 ng/ml on home tests. I'm not certain my synthetic contains uric acid and not confident it will pass lab tests and not come back 'other than human.' If I had more time I would buy Canadian Quick Fix. However, I do not have the time. Golden Shower has received favorable reviews, but I'd feel better with a mix of the two.

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Originally Posted by Burnt Toast

How do you know for sure that youre "close to being completely clean" without having a quantitative analysis performed on the urine sample? Home tests (as well as the initial assay screens performed at the lab) are a "go/no-go" endeavor and lack the ability to provide a quantitative value. In order to obtain quantitative values, the urine sample would have to go thru the GC/MS.

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A go/no go based on 16 home tests would put me at a quantitative value less than 50 ng/ml.

I'm "close" in that I'm < 50 ng/ml, but given as the test is 20 ng/ml, I can't be certain I will test negative, but can be certain I'm "close" in that I'm not over 50 and certainly nowhere near 75-100 ng/ml.

I am also nervous to sub with synthetic, it seems like it would easy to detect - although I have read many success stories. Do you have any "clean" friends that you feel comfortable asking for a sample? It stays fresh in the freezer for up to a year. I keep a couple tests worth sealed up and ready. :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by tenbongs

I am also nervous to sub with synthetic, it seems like it would easy to detect - although I have read many success stories. Do you have any "clean" friends that you feel comfortable asking for a sample? It stays fresh in the freezer for up to a year. I keep a couple tests worth sealed up and ready. :thumbsup:

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I certainly wish I did. I'm out of town where I know no one unfortunately. I've used the whizzinator before, with great results. Just a little hesitant on synthetics. Probably irrationally so though. The only real failures I've found are from people failing to keep the temperature up, or is misinformation from competitors or others out there wanting to distort true information.

Which by the way it's worth noting for all those out there researching drug testing, browsing forums is obviously a good idea to a point. But at the end of the day if the website you are on doesn't end in .gov/.edu or .org etc, take it with a grain of salt. You want research from accredited individuals and institutions, not just the ramblings of every Joe schmo on the net.

So Halo what ever happened? Did you test? I bet you passed. I'm a 35 year chronic, low exercise, 6'3" 220 lbs. I'm able to test clean after constant use in just over 21 days. Then I can have a couple after work on Friday and still test clean on Monday at the 50ng scale. One time I was dirty and got the phone call to be at the Dr in 1 hour. I diluted like a MF. My first whizz was way dirty, then slowly got a dim line on my third, then a nice solid line by the fifth. Passed the test. Randoms are a bitch. You just have to manage it if ur gonna partake. I know for sure there is something to the dim line versus a dark line. I've used the same test and watched it go both ways. I don't think these tests are so sensitive to detect the difference between 49.9ng and 50.1 ng. So the difference in color MUST have something to do with the level if not a complete quantitative reading. My feeling is that there is some lab pro out there that could shed light but I haven't found that person yet willing to come forward. I don't think any of these guys who say "a line is a line" would want their employer seeing a line that is barely visible. If I doubt it and I've been studying it then a low information employer would surely be suspect as well.
Good talkin' to ya!

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So Halo what ever happened? Did you test?

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Testing today actually. I've been going back and forth all week on whether or not to sub. After reading the employment packet and reading about how I must enroll in the urinalysis program, it's put me in a tough predicament.

I was originally supposed to be tested last Monday, which would have been 36 days clean. I was able to pull some strings and get an extra week, leaving me at now 43 days clean.

After digging through the paperwork it does imply 'procedures will mirror Federal protocol (49 CFR Part 40) where legally permissible.' 49 CFR Part 40 is DOT regulations, and as we all know DOT is 50 ng/ml cutoff. I'm really hoping when I get there, the actual urinalysis paperwork lists a 50 ng/ml cutoff. But as of now, I believe it will still be 20 ng/ml cutoff, 10 mg/ml confirmation.

Basically I've been on the fence between subbing with my whizzinator, or going in well hydrated (not diluted). I've opted going the well hydrated route given I am fairly confident I am clean. Clean enough to outweigh the risks associated with subbing.

To sum things up for those not wanting to read the whole thread:

I'm 6' 4" 250 lbs

Chronic user for past 2 years or so. (1.5 - 5 grams weekly)

I first passed my home tests at day 23. I've passed 10 morning voids, using 3 different brands. ( 2 of which were on same morning sample)

I've also passed 4 more afternoon tests. (The time I've known my test will be) This brings my total to 16 passed home tests with a 50 ng/ml cutoff.

I'm at 43 days clean, I'll let everyone know how things go, pass or fail. I hate that it's a 20 ng/ml cutoff. Frustrating.

I've been very knowledgeable on drug testing and have been beating them for 10+ years, but this one has me feeling uneasy.

Alrighty, got back a couple hours ago. The deed is done. To my dismay, it was in fact the 20 ng/ml test.

I'm kind of wishing I had substituted, but time will tell.

Keep your fingers crossed guys

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I know for sure there is something to the dim line versus a dark line. I've used the same test and watched it go both ways. I don't think these tests are so sensitive to detect the difference between 49.9ng and 50.1 ng. So the difference in color MUST have something to do with the level if not a complete quantitative reading.

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As youve been informed in your own thread (in which the topic itself needs to remain in that thread, rather than highjacking other threads), if this was actually true, then
synthetic urine controls wouldnt be producing faint lines on any drug assay.
Again, a negative is a negative. Youre worrying yourself over nothing.

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I don't think any of these guys who say "a line is a line" would want their employer seeing a line that is barely visible.

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Uhh:rolleyes:..I wouldnt want my employer conduct any of my U/A's, let alone see if the U/A has a line. Thats because my employer is not certified & authorized by the DHHS to collect and analyze samples.

And more likely than not, yours isnt either. Thats the job of the facility.

Passed :thumbsup:

I figured I would, but not going to lie this one had me worried.

Moral of the whole story:

1. Chronic users can definitely test clean in a reasonable amount of time. (Even for those slightly overweight that don't exercise as often as they should.)
2. My faith in home testing reliability/consistency has increased.
3. When purchasing home tests, the natural inclination is to get 50 ng/ml tests. Even before I found I was taking a 20 ng/ml test, I still wish I'd purchased 20 ng/ml home tests. Simply for reassurance. If you are passing 20 ng/ml home tests, obviously you can pass 50 ng/ml lab tests. At the end of the day though, test test test all you can as often as you can.

I wish everyone the best in their future endeavors.

I am happy for you. Good luck at the job.