9 x Dutch Dragon - 1 x White Russian - 600W HPS - From Seedling :-D

Hi Guys,

Maria again. First I only wanted to upload a picture of my setup. So I started a Thread in the "Basic Growing" Area.
Meeting a lot of friendly people here in, leads to the decision to start a grow log.

First I want to say, this is my first grow. So please be gentle with a small girl like me :-D
By the way I do this without any support of some strong man ;-)

So here comes the setup:

Kinggreen Grow Tent 1,50x1,50x2,00m (should be around 5x5x7 )
EVSG Lumatek 400W/600W
Adjust a Wings Avenger Large with Spreader (this thing is huge :-D)
800ccbm outgoing air (running at 40%)
125ccbm active intake air
Some Ventilation
2 liter pots with Bio Bizz for Veging
18 liter pots with Bio Bizz Light Mix for flowering
9 x Dutch Dragon (fem.) from Paradise Seeds
1 x White Russian (fem.) from Serious Seeds
Fertilizer: Hesi Starter Set for Soil (using 75% of the Hesi Soil Scheme)
Digital PH Metre - I Use GHP PH Down for correcting
The first 4 Weeks under fluorescent tubes.

And a Picture:
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Changing from fluorescent tubes to 400W MH to start the real veg state ;-)
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6 days later:
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I transplanted the girls into the larger pots - they needed bigger shoes ;-)

Took 2 clones of each Dutch Dragon and 4 Clones of the White Russian:
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2 days later - starting the flowering period - it's new years day
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Fertilizer Setup to start the flowering period:

40 ml/ 10L Hesi Bloom Complex
40ml/10L Hesi Root Complex
8ml/10L Hesi PowerZyme
2 drops Hesi supervit / 10l

PH at 6.0
temps: day: 22
night: 17

6 days later - 8 days of flowering:

Overview - It's getting crowdy :-D
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Flowering Begins:
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Singe Plant view: ( a smaller one :-D )
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Clones - They needed 10 days to root - 100 % rooted:
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By the way - I posted this picture in the Basic Grow Log yesterday:
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So what should I say.. Mmmm - She stayed away for two days and came back for a short visit this evening.
I must controll her visits :-D

And another picture to show you the develop of the plants:
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Everything running fine? What do you think ? Any tips ?
Which amount of yield is possible ? Or realistic ?
(Just want to know for myself - no commercial interests)

Another Picture I want to upload.
There were different meanings in the Basic Growing Area about this, just look:
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So what do you think ? Use it or not ?

Or should I add a second 600W HPS into the Adjust a Wings.
I think this should be possible... Or ?

Damn, something went wrong with the photos, sorry for that.

And again:

Overview - It's getting crowdy :-D
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Flowering Begins:
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Singe Plant view: ( a smaller one :-D )
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Clones - They needed 10 days to root - 100 % rooted:
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And the Photo of my question:
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I always get logged out automatically, Sorry for that.

Looks great, good job!:thumbsup: I love the pic of the flower initiation. I recall the night I first noticed this and what a euphoric feeling that was. OMB, Weezard and I kind of threadjacked your other thread by talking about cloning. Apologies.

" I just met a girl named Maria" <g>
Nice post and photos, bitch.

Sorry guys, so much work to do... just a small update. I will make a detail update in a few days. There are a lot of news.
I got new tools and gadgets... Really cool tools. For example I got a Humidity and Temp Logger with 5 Sensors which are connected to my PC ;-) Nerdy Girl... :-D

So here are just three pics:

Humidity Controll - Week 2 Flowering:
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What do you think ? Everything fine ?

Plant Overview:
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I guess most of the stretch is done - they are now between 80 and 90 cm. Let's get but producing :-D

And the Clones:
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Lookin good as usual Maria. Temp and Humidity readings look good I believe because it doesn't show a big fluctuation.

What I want to know is how YOU are doing without smoking while they're growing? It was almost a couple weeks ago that you said you were going to wait until these ladies are done to take any medication.

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Originally Posted by d00g

What I want to know is how YOU are doing without smoking while they're growing?

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Sometimes she still comes around :-(
6 - 7 weeks to go...

I really like my data logger.. while working seeing the temp and humidity is such a good feeling :-D

I make some tests with the sensors, one at the leaves, one at the top of the soil, one outside etc. :-D
I try different power stages of outgoing air.. I will post my recordings.
(The Logger is saving data from the sensors every 5 seconds - I know this is not necessary, but really cool to see :-D )

Looking good Maria! That is a really cool Data Logger, my inner "Nerd" is envious. Looks like things are rolling along nicely, great job. :jointsmile:

Awesome. Looks like you got yourself a HOBO recorder or something similar. I use those for my research plants but I never thought to invest in one for my Cannabis grow. I use simple little digital thermometer/humidity meters that just display the past 24 hour range. But your system is great for really keeping track of where potentially stressful things may have happened. I may see if I can get my hands on one...you have now stimulated my inner nerd. And OMB's as well, apparently.

This DataLogger is from TFA Dostmann. I use it with 5 external sensor stations (which have small displays) - The Logger is connected to the PC via USB Dongle.
Cost around 140 Dollar.. I know bit expensive, but i love it ;-)

And I think the invest has paid out even now. With this small tool, i noticed an error in my analog time switch.
After 12h light, light turns off for half an hour and then came back on for half an hour and then 11 and a half hours dark.
I noticed this, because the temperature is 6 degrees celsius higher when the lights are on.

I switched to a digital time switch - which is working really exactly.
Without the logger i would have never found this out, because the hated extra half hour of light came really early in the morning.

I think this could have saved a lot of stress... My Babies don't like stress... :-D

Thanks for the info, GB. I'm going to check into this system.

GB wireless? Range? It's really nice!! :thumbsup:

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GB wireless? Range? It's really nice!! :thumbsup:

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Yes wireless. Up to 100 metre. Works fine from the chamber to the attic. Logger station without extra external sensor around 79 dollars.set with 5 extra sensors 140

Before I upload some flower pictures. Let's talk about ;-)
Here comes the question like "is he long enough?..." in this case... "are they big enough ?"

Hey guys we're talking bout buds not balls :smokin: :smokin:

So it's day 20 since 12/12

The Dutch Dragons, which are 75% Sativa & 25 Indica starting a bit slower.

Budshot 1 - Dutch Dragon
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Budshot 2 - Dutch Dragon
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Compare Shot Dutch Dragon (a really small one, some are three kind of this size)
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What do you think ? Everything fine ?


The White Russian, which is more Indica is producing a bit faster.

Budshot White Russian:
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Whole Plant White Russian:
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Thx a lot..

Your just starting - you hope for something big, but you never know.

Nobody interested ? :-(
Don't be afraid of Threadjacking - Let's discuss ;-)

Bet they will look a lot different at 60 days, will be interesting.

Yes, they are changing now really daily :-D

Some Pics - Flowering Day 23:

Overview of the Jungle:

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(and I bothered whether the girls would fill out the space -> 5x5 for 10 ladies):

Main Bud of the White Russian:
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Average Flower of one of the Dutch Dragons
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In my opinion. Everything runs fine. But feel free to discuss.

The Upload of the Temps and Humidity Data from the logger will follow this weekend.
Hope I can find a better cam. to get the yellowish out of this pictures.
It really hurts to see such bad pictures of my beautiful babies...

Quick question:

I use a lumatek digital ballast 400W/600W, which has a super lumen option (+10%). I thought this could be used to increase lumen output of the lamp.
Now i read in a thread on another board, that this option should only be used after 2 or 3 runs, to balance the reduction of output lumen of the lamp.
Do u think using the super lumen option with new bulb could break it down ?

What do you think about switching the ballast to 400W for ripening in the last 10 to 14 days ? (which means.. by the End of Week 7)

GB I don't know the answer to your question about the bulb, but I wanted you to know that you inspired me to purchase a TFA - Dostmann Klima Data Logger. It's being shipped from Germany so it's taking forever, but my inner nerd is pretty excited. Day 23 was a pretty exciting time in my grow. Lots of things changing on a daily basis. Your plants are looking really good.

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.... but I wanted you to know that you inspired me to purchase a TFA - Dostmann Klima Data Logger.

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That's really cool... ;-) Yep, it is produced in Germany, I bought mine here in Austria in a local electric store. Did you get a package with extra sensor stations ?

Waiting long for devilery su**s ;-) I give u antoher nerdy input. Other Nerds - Feel free to discuss...

The Device got - and now hold on chrome - an open collector Hardware Output.

Here is the circuit diagram for you - hope u enjoy:
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Think about the possibilities... Really cool Nerd Stuff.
I am glad that I am a girl with electric knowledge. ( i never repented my education.. :-D )

No, mine is one step below the KlimaLogg Pro and it does not have extra sensor stations. I regret that since it's not really that much more money for the models with extra stations...But it will be fun to play with anyway. I might check to see if my model can be upgraded with additional sensors. As for the Hardware Output, what types of output devices are you thinking of connecting?

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what types of output devices are you thinking of connecting?

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Over the Open Collector Output u can control for example humidity.. In my case. I run my outgoing air (LTI) with a transformer (230V/150V/125V/80V). Running it at 125V, but when humidity increases over 60 % than running the LTI with 150V till humidity goes down. U know how I mean ?

Other example.. If humidity drops below 40% (Not in my case, just an example) u could set 40 % to the lower alarm and start a humidifier.

Principle with some extra relays u could build a whole climate control. Not only logging (which is really cool, too).

Day 25 - Flowering now really begins

There is so many changes in the girls camp - I must make an update :-D

Some Pics:

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Wow, this is so fascinating - thinking about that the girls are searching a male and they produce the hairs to cover the males pollen.
Mmmm... makes me kind of horny *ROFL*

Have a nice Weekend my friends.

Definitely making themself all pretty and available.

I know this is not the best question. But I want to try - let's talk about possible yield :-D

I know it's up to the strain and many other factors... but just beeing woolgathering....

Do u think if everything runs fine - is a crop of 15 oz with my setup and space possible ?
(no commercial interests - just want to know how long marry will stay with me... :rastasmoke::rastasmoke::rastasmoke::rastasmoke:)

Ask me again about day 60, might be able to give you a quess, others here are better at that than I.

Looking great Maria! Very healthy looking plants and they are Hairy little girls. Nice. :thumbsup:

As promised - the new humidity & temp data:

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Could be a bit warmer - but it's winter... Holding the temps @Night with a small heater - controlled at around 17 degrees Celsius. Days at 20 degrees Celsius (No extra heating - just the 600W HPS)
Do u think it's too cold ? Should i programm the temp. controller to hold 19 degrees at Night ??

And special Details for the Nerds: (like me too, i like this sh*t)

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There are so deep details. I try to figure out when to water them through reading the data ;-) I bet this will work.... :rastasmoke:

Hope I don't wake up some haters because off posting such maybe not so necessary details ;-)
Just a girl and want to make everything right and nice :-D (maybe i smoke too much... *g*)

GB I'm curious about the inversely related spikes in temp and humidity about 3/4 of the way over (is there a way to label the x-axis?). Seems like an odd relationship between conditions at that point. Otherwise things look pretty good. Your temp.s are a bit on the cool side. I have the opposite problem in my flower room. In my grow room, I have several plants under a 400W MH, and for various reasons it is in the same temp range as yours here (16-20C). I notice that the plants are slow, overly delicate, and lose a lot of leaves, especially low down. They get limp and black along the edges. Now it may be that something else is responsible for that, but I am suspicious of my low temp range. It will be good to get some input from the experienced growers.

I know there are many factors involved in yield, but the grower friend of mine who is looking over my shoulder on my current crop, estimates my yield will be 16-20 oz. You can maybe compare the sizes of our setups to get an idea. Maybe. ;)

@Chromophore

Of course u can label the axis.. I will do that the next time... The funny thing is u noticed my daily check in the data.. opening the tent leads to fall down the temp at the leafs, this comes with fall down of humidity at the leafs... On the other hand.. A lot of warm air is going to the soil level (The sensor is 2-3 cm over the soil level) which comes with an increase of humidity at this level... This is really awesome.. I learned so much...

Are u excited now to get this tool in your hands ? I bet u check the tracking of your order every day ;-) Wish you fast delivery.

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Your temp.s are a bit on the cool side.

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I plan to set up a second veg. room and take the outgoing air of the veg. box to the bloom box.. this should increase the temps.
I hate wasting energy by heating out energy through the window...

If it get's too cold by the daylight..
I rather would add a second 600W HPS than heating through the day...

That's basically the way I have mine set up, which is why my bloom temps are a bit warm (22-30C). My veg room is cold because it's pulling unheated basement air, which is probably 12-15C. The 400W just isn't enough by itself. I'm rebuilding the whole operation this summer, and environmental control will be my guide.

Kinda like this thinking out loud, Think our veg room needs to be warmer than bloom room. Veg room will not care about heater flash, and the lights could be on 24/7, not most be but could be. Bloom at a little cooler temps and you can get pretty colors that way. Can you move air the other direction, put heat in veg room, you don't want the young girls to slow down at all.

Nice to have a tech nerd around!

ranger that is how I am going to re-design things. I'm running 18/6 in the veg room so I'll push it to 24 and maybe that will help. When I rebuild I will put both rooms inside the same larger room, and each one is going to be sheetrocked and sealed. Then I can set up air and heat systems and be able to control things better. Right now the flower room pulls air from the veg room, which is actually in an adjacent room of my basement, and the air leaks in via spaces around central heating ductwork along the ceiling. The adjacent room where the veg is set up is actually my laundry room, and because of it's orientation in the house plan, receives little heat from the rest of the building. Definitely not ideal. But at the moment it's what I have to work with. Once theses two batches of flowers are done, I'm dismantling everything and re-building properly. When I move the current batch in veg to the flower room, I can shut down the MH in the veg room, so the flower room will be pulling cooler air. Also I may let the plants sit under the HPS for a couple of weeks to help put on some healthier growth.