Have any of you heard about this law? Here's a link to a story. New Gun Law I find it to be a ridiculous law. People are gonna be whipping guns out left and right. I'm against this, I freakin HATE guns.
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Have any of you heard about this law? Here's a link to a story. New Gun Law I find it to be a ridiculous law. People are gonna be whipping guns out left and right. I'm against this, I freakin HATE guns.
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Originally Posted by JSTA
"But until now, courts insisted that anyone confronted in a public place should first try to run away." (article)
So lets say I am a 65 year old retired woman, stopping off at a Boca VIsta ATM on the way to my biweekly bingo. I put the cash in my purse, next to my gun (which I am licensed and trained to use). I am confronted with a local street thug holding a large knife. He's young, well built, and looks like he can run faster than me...
He tells me he's "going to kill me", and to give him the cash. So when I reach into my purse you would prefer I:
A) Pull out the cash, give it to him, and just hope that he doesn't kill me so I can't identify him later.
B) Run, as best I can, with my arthritic left knee and sandals (as florida law previously required).
C) Pull out the gun, instead of the cash, and waste the maggot (as Florida law now allows).
But props on educating yourself on gun laws. On a related note, in Texas, if you decide to take someone else's stuff, instead of working for your own, know you can be wasted without posing an immediate threat. Lethal force can be used even if there is simply no reasonable chance of recovering the property.
Wow...
Well, there are responsible gun owners all over the place. I'm aware that Canada has a ridiculously low amount of gun-related murders, but actually have more gun owners. I just think people will be using the "I was just defending myself" excuse way more often, and it will be satisfactory to the courts.
i ask you this
what if he wants to fuck you and your
mother/brother/sister/ grandma or KIDS in the ass?
would you want a gun then,?
or would you want to except it hope they catch him later and send him to jial?
THERE ARE SICK FUCKERS OUT THERE wiating for you
that aint paraniod thats a FACT of LIFE
yaw who complian about guns being out there should really think about how long it takes a cop to get to your house if called,IF CALLED i say,and what do they do when they get there.?
shit man i stay armed and LAW or no LAW i will remian armed.
nobody coming in my house and doing anything to anyone without me giving them a dose of lead pioson if i get the chance to do so.
crawl in my window you'll have this as your last view of life
Howdy JSTA,Quote:
Originally Posted by JSTA
Any Texan or Southerner,or folks in the western States,who hate guns..ain't no Texan or Southerner..are you one of them thar transplanted yankees ?
I think it's pretty obvious,that criminals don't respect the law,but they do respect a bullet..that they can't out-run..you may choose to be certain prey for criminals..but I choose not to..Houston,is a liberal city..full of emasculated males,such as yourself..just because you choose to be a victim..doesn't mean that the rest of us,want to be victims.
The right to self-defense,is an inalienable right..I will never surrender that right..especially for daggum political-correctness.
Have a good one ...
It's more likely that somebody in your household will be injured by your gun, than you needing to use it on somebody else.
whered you hear that? im guessing the governments gun saftey program..just like that one commercial saying the girl died from taking one pill of exctacyQuote:
Originally Posted by GHoSToKeR
p.s. i dont have a gun, but im for them, shit, OK Corral here we come i dont give a fuck, shoot em' up, use your rights to defend yourself if somones attacking or thieving
Its a bad idea. Anyway, what constitutes a threat? People will start gunning down their "attackers" and killing them, and there would be no way to tell how much a threat the attacker posed. Maybe he looked at someone the wrong way, and instead of turning away they shoot him. Some people are going to use this law as an excuse to kill whoever they want. And with any gun battle that may break out between two people, some bystanders will be caught in the middle.
Even if the majority of people are responsible gun owners, a lot of people will needlessly die under this law, and as ghosttoker said most of them will be living in your household.
Actually Torog, I'm born and raised in Oklahoma. I'm out of here in 2 months though when I go to college (OU). I'm sure you'll eat me alive on that one considering how hostile you Texans are to us Okies.
But anyway, back to the issues. I think our society lives in fear, this being the same fear that makes us think we need guns. How many times have you ever been robbed in your life where you needed a gun to defend yourself? It just seems to me that by letting people defend themselves legally with guns, they're just making the State's gun problems a whole lot worse. I don't care if I'm a fake "southerner" or not in your eyes. It's my opinion. You have yours, I have mine.
I know that I was born and raised in Florida and have lived here all my life and know personally that I'm not waiting in line to get a gun nor are all my friends. So, ya there is a new law here but it's going to be the same as if they made pot legal. Everyone that had a gun is still going to and everyone that didn't probably still won't... same with pot legalizing it doesn't mean everyone is gonna do it.
I think Mojavpa said it the best. This law will be abused by people, which will end up costing others their lives. That's all I'm worried about here. There's no denying that people like Torog and Nowhereman probably know how to handle a gun lol, but do you think everyone in our society today is as experienced or as willing to learn about safety as you guys are?
I'm a transplanted yankee and I want them gun laws here in AL too!BANG BANG BANG!Quote:
Originally Posted by Torog
Oh, and Torog, I don't hate guns, I hate people who abuse guns. ^^^^^^lol
I was rollin when I started this thread, so the "I HATE GUNS" comment was a little extreme. I was just feeling the love for my fellow humans :)
ty for that vote of confindence,Quote:
Originally Posted by JSTA
guns are needed in america ,thats a fact.
to me they are what makes us have what freedom we do have.
i dont cliam to want everybody to have one,HELL NO and im clueless on who should decide who gets one,but i know i aint giving mine up for anyone or anything if i did get one taken by a passel of jackbooted feds or some shit ,id be obtaining one to replace it,ive had a gun since i was like 10 or so,there was a rack of them on the wall in my dads bedroom that i had use of ,trusted with,shotguns & rifles mostly.but i liked pistols :D
i grew up with them and know they are a deadly tool and nothing else,
do i want some 16 yr old gang banger to have a gun,no way.
do i want one if he decides to take my car and shoot me in the head to get in some gang,you dam right,
i dont want take nobody on in some big ass debate about it ,i wont be changed on the matter,and vise versa just would like to here some reasons why i should not be able to have one to defend my home with,?
gun controll does not work except for the criminals it makes them powerfull and fills their pockets with cash.
firm believer in leave me the fuck alone as i leave you the fuck alone.
ps recommend a song."whiskey for my friends beer for my horses".that says it all right there,peace
nope.just bragging rites
"Beer for my horses" Song is hilarious.
Maybe people in Florida will be less likely to fuck with random people. Let it be known that if you fuck with random people, you run the risk of being shot.
Howdy JSTA,Quote:
Originally Posted by JSTA
One of my best friend's is an Okie..and whenever he does something dumb or stupid,which is fairly often,I chalk it up to him being an Okie..lol..(not that there's anything wrong with that..lol).
You may live in fear,but I don't,because I'm armed and dangerous..you have chosen to live in fear,and are totally reliant on others,to provide for your safety..ever hear the phrase "Call 911...and die" ?
I was robbed by 3 black guys in a highschool library..they were armed with knives..I had nothing,because I was obeying the rules and foolishly thought that others would too. After that,I was never unarmed again,those were the days,when ya could bring a rifle to school,as long as you kept yer car or truck,locked up. I began keeping a 10 inch huntin knife in my locker after that and a challenge was issued by the white guys on the football team to the blacks..and they backed down..and never bothered me again. I refuse to be a victim,ever again..and I refuse to shoulder the mantle of victim-hood,that liberals cherish.
Have a good one...
Maybe I shouldn't be talkin about guns, but I can say one thing. Guns are illegal on the island I live in. Even the police don't carry guns. Did you hear that? EVEN THE POLICE DONT CARRY GUNS. And I havent heard of anybody being shot here since I was born or before I was born, for that matter. So gun control must work. Period.
I think the problem is that your country has developed in to a 'gun culture', so now guns ARE needed in your country for your own protection. In this country guns are illegal and are extremely rare, so guns arent needed to protect us. I know which society I would rather live in and im lucky Im living here. Because whichever way you look at it, you have to admit that living in a society where even the police hardly carry guns is alot safer than living in a country where everyone carries a gun.
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Originally Posted by GHoSToKeR
so in your secluded lil safe world you want to say My guns are bad to exist becuase YOU dont need them,controll works?? BULLSHIT to that
it works for the criminals,
and just how many people on this island?
im happy for you but just tells me YOU have no clue what is out HERE in the world waiting on you
someone posted this pick
seems apropriate when thinking about anti gun folks,
Hey dude, that's not what I was saying at all.. I haven't been awake for very long so my heads a little groggy.. I probably didn't make much sense.
What i'm trying to say is that gun control works over here because we decided to take that route and stick to it. So now hardly any criminals carry guns and hardly any police carry guns. This proves that, for us, gun control has worked. (Im talking about the whole of the UK, not just the island I live on).
I understand that gun control in the US wouldnt work because that would mean completely changing around your society. Your country has developed in to a nation that has guns and tolerates them, so to turn back on that now would do more harm than good. So I agree that in your country you should be allowed a gun to protect yourself. However I dont agree that people in the UK should be allowed guns to protect themselves because guns are rare.
Im not saying that my country is better than yours or any of that bullshit. Im just saying that gun control works here, but I understand that it might not work in the US because you have already allowed guns to become a part of your society. Im also saying that personally, I would prefer to work and live in a country that didnt have guns as a part of their society as opposed to one that did. By this I mean I would rather live somewhere where I personally didn't need a gun, whereas you might prefer to live somewhere where you did need a gun, or were at least be allowed one.
I didnt mean to offend you, dude.. I hope this has cleared it up.
Hey now, I NEED my gun. Cause Lord knows, I'm fending off criminals left and right, 24-7, and my house is broken into at least seven times a day!!
hell yhea,, i live in florida 5 months out of the year on an island in the gulf coast
Saying this law is going to increase deaths and violence is just ridiculous. Remember what everyone was saying when the Assault Weapons Ban was lifted? All the anti-gun people were acting like it was the end of the world and that there were going to be firefights all over the streets because everyone could get "assault weapons". :rolleyes:
People will abuse this new law, there's just no denying that. Like I said before, I'm in no way against having a gun in your house to defend yourself, but that's just not me. Just think, people are going to be getting off because now they're just "defending" themself.
guns are dozens of times more likely to be used for protection than to harm someone. people who want guns to be illegal are just asking to be a slave. the government or police aren't going to save you. responsible gun owners far out number criminals.
http://www.gunowners.org/skeptic.htm
How much of your current opinion regarding guns is based on fact rather than feeling? And are the facts as you know them actually true, or are they merely "spin" being promoted by those holding anti-gun positions? Is there a reason why you rarely hear about the "good" uses of guns? In this comprehensive guide, information is presented that might make you re-examine what you've always "known" about guns in society.
http://www.gunowners.org/fs0404.htm
1. Highlights
* Guns are used 2.5 million times a year in self-defense. Law-abiding citizens use guns to defend themselves against criminals as many as 2.5 million times every yearâ??or about 6,850 times a day.1 This means that each year, firearms are used more than 80 times more often to protect the lives of honest citizens than to take lives.2* Even anti-gun Clinton researchers concede that guns are used 1.5 million times annually for self-defense. According to the Clinton Justice Department, there are as many as 1.5 million cases of self-defense with a firearm every year. The National Institute of Justice published this figure in 1997 as part of "Guns in America"â??a study which was authored by noted anti-gun criminologists Philip Cook and Jens Ludwig.3* Concealed carry laws have reduced murder and crime rates in the states that have enacted them. According to a comprehensive study which reviewed crime statistics in every county in the United States from 1977 to 1992, states which passed concealed carry laws reduced their rate of murder by 8.5%, rape by 5%, aggravated assault by 7% and robbery by 3%.4* Anti-gun journal pronounces the failure of the Brady law. One of the nationâ??s leading anti-gun medical publications, the Journal of the American Medical Association, found that the Brady registration law has failed to reduce murder rates. In August 2000, JAMA reported that states implementing waiting periods and background checks did "not [experience] reductions in homicide rates or overall suicide rates."5* Twice as many children are killed playing football in school than are murdered by guns. Thatâ??s right. Despite what media coverage might seem to indicate, there are more deaths related to high school football than guns. In a recent three year period, twice as many football players died from hits to the head, heat stroke, etc. (45), as compared with students who were murdered by firearms (22) during that same time period.6* More guns, less crime. In the decade of the 1990s, the number of guns in this country increased by roughly 40 millionâ??even while the murder rate decreased by almost 40% percent.7 Accidental gun deaths in the home decreased by almost 40 percent as well.8* CDC admits there is no evidence that gun control reduces crime. The Centers for Disease Control (CDC) has long been criticized for propagating questionable studies which gun control organizations have used in defense of their cause. But after analyzing 51 studies in 2003, the CDC concluded that the "evidence was insufficient to determine the effectiveness of any of these [firearms] laws."9* Gun shows are NOT a primary source of illegal guns for criminals. According to two government studies, the National Institute of Justice reported in 1997 that "less than two percent [of criminals] reported obtaining [firearms] from a gun show."10 And the Bureau of Justice Statistics revealed in 2001 that less than one percent of firearm offenders acquired their weapons at gun shows.11* Several polls show that Americans are very pro-gun. Several scientific polls indicate that the right to keep and bear arms is still reveredâ??and gun control disdainedâ??by a majority of Americans today. To mention just a few recent polls:* In 2002, an ABC News poll found that almost three-fourths of the American public believe that the Second Amendment of the U.S. Constitution protects the rights of "individuals" to own guns.12* Zogby pollsters found that by a more than 3 to 1 margin, Americans support punishing "criminals who use a gun in the commission of a crime" over legislation to "ban handguns."13* A Research 2000 poll found that 85% of Americans would find it appropriate for a principal or teacher to use "a gun at school to defend the lives of students" to stop a school massacre.14* A study claiming "guns are three times more likely to kill you than help you" is a total fraud. Even using the low figures from the Clinton Justice Department, firearms are used almost 50 times more often to save life than to take life.15 More importantly, however, the figure claiming one is three times more likely to be killed by oneâ??s own gun is a total lie:* Researcher Don Kates reveals that all available data now indicates that the "home gun homicide victims [in the flawed study] were killed using guns not kept in the victim's home."16* In other words, the victims were NOT murdered with their own guns! They were killed "by intruders who brought their own guns to the victim's household."17* Gun-free England not such a utopia after all. According to the BBC News, handgun crime in the United Kingdom rose by 40% in the two years after it passed its draconian gun ban in 1997.18 And according to a United Nations study, British citizens are more likely to become a victim of crime than are people in the United States. The 2000 report shows that the crime rate in England is higher than the crime rates of 16 other industrialized nations, including the United States.19that's just the first section.
there was a time when kids knew how to use guns and respected them...they didn't grow up hearing how bad and evil they were and to stay away, they were taught how to use them and when to use them...kids used to bring guns to school...i'm not talking about small podunk towns either...that's impossible nowadays because of all the kids on psychotropic drugs and those that believe the anti-gun propaganda.
I'm not buying into the anti-gun propaganda. I firmly believe that the problem here in America is lack of gun knowledge and the media, conservative or liberal. I remember turning the tv on on Christmas eve, and hearing about numerous murders on the news. It's Christmas eve for christ's sake.
I brought this gun issue up because right before I heard about this law, I had just watched Bowling for Columbine for the first time. Now don't get me wrong, I'm in no way a Micheal Moore fanboy, but he brings up a good point in that movie: Why does America have so many more gun deaths per year then the other free world countries? It's just mind boggling to think about the number of gun related deaths in places like, Canada, Germany, the U.K., Japan etc. Compare those numbers to the number of gun related deaths we have. It's crazy.
I watched a program on TV last night called 'lethal attraction'. It was about guns in America. The presenter was British (Ross Kemp) and he was asking the American people if they thought their gun laws were too relaxed, none of them said yes. I actually agreed with the things they were saying about why they should be allowed to carry guns. One man said "It's better to have a gun and never need it than to be in a situation where you need a gun but don't have one". Another man (from Texas) said that it's more peaceful where he lives because people own guns, there is less chance of people messing with each other because they know the consequences. I agree with this. You'd have to be crazy to break into someone's house or mug them in the street in America, especially Texas. Making gun laws more strict in America would be the dumbest thing ever. All that would do is dismarm law abiding citizens leaving them defensless against rapists/theives/murderers and leave criminals still armed and dangerous. Do you think criminals would hand their guns in to one of those amnesty things? Not likely. Guns are a huge part of America, it's part of their culture and it will never change.
And you can't really compare gun laws in America to the laws in Britain. They're two totally different places. Gun control works in Britian. Yes there are guns on the street but they're not all over the place and shootings are mostly gang/drug related. I've never even seen a real gun and I don't know anyone who has. The nearest shootings to where I live occur in the outskirts of the large city I live near, which is about 10 - 15 miles away.
I don't think they should be stricter, but then again they shouldn't be more relaxed lol.
Howdy GTC21,Quote:
Originally Posted by GTC21
Dang..I feel sorry for you man..you ain't never seen a gun ? As in,never owned or handled a gun ?
Texans usually git their first gun,starting around 8-10 years old,my first gun was a 22 caliber,bolt-action and I got my deer huntin rifle,a 30-30 Winchester lever-action,when I was 11,got my first deer,that year too. When I was 12,I got me a job so I could git me a semi-auto 22,with a scope..when I started Highschool,I used to take it with me in my Uncle's car,and he'd bring his 22 with him too,and we'd go frog and turtle huntin,down on my family farm...ahhh...the good ol days..dang it ! Dang political correctness and city-slickers afraid of guns !:mad:
An armed society..is a polite society..and goverments should fear the people and their right to alter or abolish their goverment..not fear the goverment.
When you give up your inalienable right to self-defense with a gun..there's no reason for the goverment to fear it's citizenry,any longer..and criminals can prey upon the dis-armed,at will . That's pretty daggum sad.
Have a good one....
America is full of really paranoid people. People who just assume shoot you for standing in their front lawn. How is the law going to help ANYONE? I am glad that I don't live in FL, or anywhere near FL, it is a very scary state now. I have a suggestion. Let's saw off Florida and let the state float into the Ocean. That way, no one from another state will get shot for simply standing in the wrong lawn!
I love American's point of view. Afraid of a gun? Buy a gun! We need more Gun control!
Yo Torog, I know I immaturely ripped on you last time this matter came up, so i'll try to be as constructive as possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Torog
For someone that's never been to our socialist country Torog, you sure know what we need.
I've never seen or handled a gun also, and am glad, why do I need to? I have zero interest in weapons of death, is a boy made a man from handling a weapon that kills with zero effort required?
The fact is, we don't need guns and probably never will (what are we supposed to hunt here? rabbits?) When there's a shooting in the paper, it's a big deal because (as JST said) it's pretty rare nowadays for guns to be used outside of gang or drug related crime. I'm glad how guns are outlawed in this country and, with the increase of juvenile delinquent crime, glad there's been no suggestion to change otherwise. More guns means more criminals with guns. For someone brought up in a country that relishes weapons, you've not much right to contradict ours on such a matter, particularly when you've never experienced our culture first hand. Noone complains they want a gun and can't get one. Noone needs one. It's very simple logic.
I apologise for my behaviour last time this discussion arose, but I take offence at gung-ho, ammo crazy Americans like yourself thinking they know what this country needs. And the last thing it DOES in fact need, is guns.
the gun laws will never be changed.
Actually Florida has much lower crime rates than a lot of other places in America that have strict gun control laws. I'd feel much safer in a well armed community than a disarmed one. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by XTC
kaboom!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1you are exactly right!!!
that guns deter crime is well known to many liberals,ecpecially those politicians and celebreties who make the loudest public noises in favor of gun control.these people routinely assert there is no advantage to owning guns.yet most of them have full time bodygaurds who follow them everywhere.the mayor of chicago is a huge anti-gun guy but would never step foot on the west side of chicago without his gun totting bodygaurds.
but the people who live in these areas face continuing danger and the mayor refuses to let them defend themselves.what hypocrites.
9 unelected supreme court judges will never be able to change the gun laws.the american people will never let that happen.
I just don't see how you can feel safer in a well-armed community then a disarmed one. Look at the number of deaths by guns in the UK and look at the number we have. Now, if you're going by those numbers alone, that statement is ridiculous.
Hey, it's not that I'm trying to argue, but that varies on location. I lived in some pretty rough neighborhoods in the bay/city and trust me...more kids get shot than die throughout the football season. It's no joke...they get killed everyday.Quote:
Twice as many children are killed playing football in school than are murdered by guns. Thatâ??s right. Despite what media coverage might seem to indicate, there are more deaths related to high school football than guns. In a recent three year period, twice as many football players died from hits to the head, heat stroke, etc. (45), as compared with students who were murdered by firearms (22) during that same time period.6