From seedlings to harvest..

Spouted on april 1st. Used miracle grow potting soil. Barely any nutes, just FF grow big every once n awhile, but I really didnt like the burn and deficiencies it would cause. Mostly just water and sun. Two are an unknown purple sativa, and the mini christmas tree is a grand daddy purple indica that is 2 weeks or so younger. In the next few weeks I'll be transplanting the unknowns into 20g smart pots with FF ocean forest soil, and for flowering nutes, ill be using some fox farm organic stuff. FF Big Bloom, FF Happy Frog Fruit and Flower, and a calcium/magnesium supplement.

Instead of posting all my pictures I threw them into a short video.

Growing Cannabis: Seedlings to 10 weeks old - YouTube


Week 7 veg

Outdoor grow week 7 veg - YouTube


Week 8 veg

Week 8 Veg Update - YouTube


Week 10 veg

Week 10 Veg Update - YouTube


A storm that Ive been dealing with for the past 3 days.

Violent Gusts attack 10 week old Cannabis plants - YouTube


They are still vegging, but I will update more often when they start to flower. Peace. :smokin:

So here's the list of supplies I need, two 20 gallon smartpots, 3 bags of ocean forest soil, ph tester, fox farm big bloom, fox farm happy frog fruit and flower, calmag, bamboo sticks, a good pair of trimming scissors, a drying rack, and Ive really been needing some clone gel. But I dont have the spare cash to get everything and I dont want to make multiple trips to the hydro store.

So I said screw it and took a few lower cuttings, threw them in plain tap water, and put them under a florescent light running on a 24/7 cycle. My goal is to get 3 clones.

I took one from each plant, and they are all the lowest weakest branches. Each cutting was done differently, one was cut short with just a few top leaves left, another was cut long with just top leaves, and the third was cut at a medium length with most of the leaves left on.

I have some pics from 5 hours ago and pics from right now. and so far the middle cutting has reacted the most and is already bending towards the light.

Before

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This is my first attempt ever with clones and its some what an experiment to see which cut gets the best results without using a cloning gel. If the cuttings root, I will put them in small pots and keep them under the florescent light until they reach about 1-2 foot tall. Then I will throw them outdoors with their parents so they start to flower. If anything I hope to get at least another 0.5-1 ounce per clone. I wish I wouldve done this much earlier in the season but I never got around to it. And if the cuttings dont make it, oh well, I needed to trim the lower branches anyways because they weren't doing my bigger plants any good.

For any of you that have experience with using the water cloning method (cannabis only), any criticism is welcome.

Week 11 Update and another update on the 1 day old cuttings. Sorry for the links, since Im a new member I'm not allowed to embed my videos.


Growing Cannabis: Week 11 Veg Update - YouTube



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I had a 100% success rate with the three clones but the only one in soil so far is the the middle one because it sprouted the most roots the quickest and the others dont have enough to support them selves outdoors. But I had so much fun doing them, i decided to do another 20 or so lol.

This time I decided to do it the more expensive way. I bought a bunch of little rockwool cubes, a tray with a humidity dome, and Im using clonex for the cloning gel. I took all my cuttings, let the stems soak in water for about 5 min, dipped them in clonex, put them individually into their own rockwool cube, then let the cubes soak in water with a ph of 5.5. After that I put them in the tray and I put them under 2 t-8 florescent lamps on a 24 hour light cycle. I did end up putting the 2 other original ones in rockwool instead of the water (the tall one in the back and the other one in the back left corner of the tray), but they had already sprouted roots, so if dont want to spend money on supplies I would recommend the water method because I was 100% successful already, it just takes a lot longer.

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As for the mother plants, I transplanted them into 30g smart pots with fox farm ocean forest soil. I also got a good ph control kit finally, so hopefully they take in nutes more efficiently and quit yellowing.
The run off water had a ph of 7.8 before lol now its at 6.5-6.8 which is damn near perfect.
These pictures were taken today in 99°F weather, so that's why they seem so droopy. And let me point out the bamboo fencing i put up.. I put it up so it sits 2 feet higher than my 6 foot fence. And my tallest plant is already trying to peek its head over!! LOL!

Oh yea! I forgot to mention that I talked to my buddy that gave me the bag seeds, he said it was purple lights. its a cross between northern lights and train wreck, so my 2 unknowns or no longer unknown! lol :thumbsup:

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I have some good and bad news.

The good news, the plants are freakin huge because of their new homes. And Im still at a 100% Success rate with my clones and all of them are now outside in red solo cups.

The bad news, my 2 plants, (the third one [the short bushy christmas tree lol] isnt mine), anyways, my 2 plants have mysterious markings and discoloration on the leaves :wtf:

Please read carefully.
I started to notice some leaves with white marks on the lowest branches and I immediately thought it was mites, so I sprayed them with neem oil. The next day the "infected" leaves got even worse, which caught me off guard. I waited another day and I saw that the "infection" was starting to spread, each leaf that had the marks starting to turn yellow, and these weird black marks started to appear, they almost look like over spray from black spray paint... Since it got worse I sprayed them again with neem oil.. But then the next day, today, The white marks are still spreading and the black marks are too, some are even on the main branches. I dont know what to do, I thought the white marks were bite marks but now im starting to think its some type of mildew or mold, because it is getting worse after i spray not better, and I havent seen any type of mites or bugs yet.. Please take a look at the pictures and let me know if you know what this is, and how to get rid of it.


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Ok Im pretty Sure I found out what it is, I had a problem with Thrips very early on and all they did was one little bite mark on a few leaves and then they disappeared, so I figured it was no big deal. But out of curiousity I looked up Thrip Infestation on google images and this is what I found.. I am kinda thankful that its not mites or mildew/mold, because thrips are a lot easier to get rid of when you find them at such an early stage.

The white is what the have eaten, and the black is their shit :wtf: looks exactly like my infested leaves.
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Now that I know whats causing the damage, the next step is to figure out how to get rid of them for good. Time to do some research :smokin:

Tomorrow Ill try to get a pic of the thrips and Ill show you my 8 foot giants lol :thumbsup:

I found the nasty buggers :wtf:
This is one of the worst looking leaves I have found.

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My friend is bringing me some Monterey Garden Spray. I think its like $10 - $15 at home depot and it contains Spinosad. The spinosad is what kills the Thrips. Im going to give them a good shower with it, then in 2 days I will respray to kill any eggs that might have hatched, then I might even spray again 2 days after that just to make sure. I have read Spinosad also works good against mites and catepillars too.



Anyways heres a pic of half of the clones I have, I forgot to get a pic of the rest but I will next time.

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And here are the monsters lol


I measured them and this one is 8 feet tall :cool:

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This one is alot bushier and it still measured out at 7 feet :cool:

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And this one is just under 6 feet :cool:

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Let me remind you that those are 30GALLON smart pots, I cant even wrap my arms around one and they make them look like 5 gallon buckets :smokin:

I forgot to mention that almost half of the clones were takin from the unused part of a cutting. What I mean by that is for a clone, I would cut a 5 - 10 inch branch off, at the node of a main branch. (These little 5 - 10 inch branches dont produce a lot of bud and take up alot of the energy, so i just snip the whole thing off). Then growers would usually cut it in half and only use the top half of it for a clone. Then I figured why not try and clone the unused part as well and if it works it will start out as 2 tops, just like when u top a plant.

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Bottom Half


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You can see between the 2 tops where the first clone was takin from.
The "bottom half" literally started out as a stem with one little leaf, thats it. The tops are all new growth that wasnt there before.
Every single cutting rooted and they are all super healthy, and I was surprised to find out that the "bottom half" clones, actually rooted faster and grew alot faster too!

The lesson from all of this, if you clone a lot and you only use the tops, and you throw the rest away thinking u cant clone it, DONT! Use the unused portion of the cutting so you can get 2 clones out of 1 branch! Even if its just a stem with no leaves, just try it! I had a 100% success rate. :thumbsup:

I am almost 100% sure that my 8 foot northern lights x train wreck has turned out to be male :chainsaw:

As I was spraying it i had to get on a ladder to spray the very tops and this is what I found.. Im glad I saw it before the sacks got even more developed.. Ive never had or seen a male before, so I cant really tell if its a male or a hermie, either way I moved it to the other side of the house for now and Ill probably leave it be for another few days to see what happens.. Luckily I took all my clones from my other one that has preflowered and is female for sure.

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But it really sucks because now I only have 1 plant and the other one is my friends, plus all the clones we took from them.
I only have one chance left, hopefully pests and stuff will leave her alone because shes all I have :(. And hopefully I yield a good amount from each clone to kinda make up for the loss of this plant.

that's a shame it's a male.

Ouch, I feel your pain.

:wtf:

That's why I personally play a numbers game & if there are males, Hermies & other issues preventing a decent crop it will always pan out. Peace


:thumbsup:

I should've known, I started the 2 purple lights from bag seed, and the buds were very ripe.. And from what Ive heard, when you have a female almost ready to harvest and it gets pollinated, the chances of the seeds being male are more likely then when the female is pollinated very early on in its flowering stage. O well, I am going to use the 30 gallons of soil for my 6 purple light clones so they have 5gallons each. I only have a few weeks until the females start flowering so Ill probably do it today. Which means, RIP for the big guy.

How's the new batch of clones? Peace


:thumbsup:

***Sorry I haven't updated in awhile, i hate when i do this because I have to type a lot haha bare with me..***


Clones (Northern Lights x Trainwreak)-

The clones are doing great, they're all around 2 feet tall, some 3 feet. They grew a lot bigger than I thought, because for some reason they took longer to switch into flower. Even though I put them outside after being on a 24/7 light cycle indoors. But they are only about 2 weeks into flowering.
Another thing that's kinda strange is they only have 3 blade leaves. The mother plant has up to 8 blade leaves, but for some reason all the clones only produce the 3 blades. Its almost like they are mutated haha.... Unfortunately I don't have any pics tonight, but I will post some tomorrow when everyone is awake..



Mother Plant (Northern Lights x Trainwreak)-

She is about 4 weeks into flower.
For the past 4 weeks she has only got ph'd water and i think the buds are doing pretty good without nutrients, but its time to finally bulk up haha

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Nutrients-

I just bought flowering nutrients today (I know, I'm slacking :icon506:).. I bought Fox farm tiger bloom, FF happy frog (which is an organic top dressing), and FF big bloom.. I'm also using some older nutrients called "Humboldt's own" gravity, and snow storm ultra.. I am going to feed all of the plants their flowering nutes for the first time tomorrow.. I'm starting with a very low dose for all of the liquid nutes, until they work up a tolerance for them(probably like 1.5-2 weeks).




Pests/health-

So far I have only had thrips, but i used Monterey Garden insect spray with spinosad, and it kills them in a day..
As far as health goes, the clones are super healthy, but the mother plant has lost A LOT of leaves because of heat stress and malnutrition..
The heat was so bad one day that i came home and the 2 main tops (I only topped her once) had split apart and the branches were nearly horizontal!!! I thought she was dead.. I immediately tied and duct-taped them back together and she is doing fine, I didn't even notice a change in growth or anything! luckily it didn't even phase her..



Tomorrow I will post up pictures of the clones, the damage on the mother, how i staked and tied her for support, etc. Stay Tuned! Happy growing :smokin:

Clones (Northern Lights x Trainwreak)-

Out of the 20 clones me and my friend did, only 6 of them were mine, and from now on Im not updated u guys on any of his things, sorry about that.
But anyways, heres the 6. The yellowing isn't a deficiency, thats where they got infected with Thrips and I just never pulled the leaves off. They are still pretty thin but Im hoping the new nutrients will help that.

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Mother Plant (Northern Lights x Trainwreak)-

The picture doesnt really show it, but in person she actually looks very healthy.. The yellowed leaves are whats left from the heat stress and malnutrition. And the red circle is where the tops split apart from too much heat and bud weight.. The stakes are old tent poles :jointsmile:

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Nutrients-

I'm not sure if this to many different nutes, but I'm going to try my best not to burn my girls..
I mixed in the Happy frog last night and I could already tell the difference this morning.

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Any tips or criticism is welcome. :smokin:

All the clones started getting these little brown spots near the veins 2 days before I bought nutrients. I thought it was a calcium deficiency, so I thought it would go away after I fed them. But its just getting worse. This is only day 5 since Ive noticed the issue and it has almost taken over the entire crop of clones. Im scared if its mold that it will spread to our mother plants so I need to know what you guys would do.

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are these from clones?

Are the clones taken from clones? No, they are from my purple lights plant which is from bag seed.

I would take a chance and spray with neem based antifungal. I use Safer brand products. They make a few different insect killing soaps and fungus killing soap. If I couldn't find that immediately I'd try hydrogen peroxide and water with a drop or two of dish detergent.

Are the dying leaves wilting from the bottom to the top or opposite? If from bottom it could be simple N def? Nice looking 25 G container. Big girlie!! Peace

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I would take a chance and spray with neem based antifungal. I use Safer brand products. They make a few different insect killing soaps and fungus killing soap. If I couldn't find that immediately I'd try hydrogen peroxide and water with a drop or two of dish detergent.

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The thing is, I sprayed them with neem and monterey organic thrip spray when I first noticed the problem. It did kill the thrips but im not sure if it made the brown leaves worse.

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Are the dying leaves wilting from the bottom to the top or opposite? If from bottom it could be simple N def? Nice looking 25 G container. Big girlie!! Peace

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The brown starts from the middle/top of the leaf and works its way out until the leaf is completely dry. The bottom of the leaves dont seem to be affected until the very last moment.


Im feeding them the same as the mother plant and the ph of the soil is the same too... But the mother doesnt have the browning leaves, only the clones do, which is really strange.. I also noticed the brown spots dont show up on the "sugar leaf" or "bud leaf".. only on the mature fan leaves.

Clones (Northern Lights x Trainwreak)-

I took pictures of seperate leaves to try and show you the three stages of the "mold" before the leaf finally dies. It only takes 1-2 days for a leaf to go from stage 1 to 3.

Stage 1
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Anyone have any idea what is causing this? Ph is 6.8. I only feed every other or every third watering. Please help.



Mother Plant (Northern Lights x Trainwreak)-

My thread isn't very interesting so I thought I should post some more flower pics to keep u here :jointsmile:

Just a small top starting to frost up
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Look at the bulky cola in the background :thumbsup:
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I thought this pic came out really cool, the buds don't look that purple but the camera decided to do its own special effects. :jointsmile:
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Week 5 Flower Update - Purple Lights (Northern Lights x Trainwreck)

Been feeding Fox Farm nutrients for a week. I'm going to continue feeding Big Bloom every other watering, but I'm going to cut back on the tiger bloom to every 4th watering because I'm scared of the infamous "tiger burn", and I'm already noticing a little discoloration in the very tips of the leaves.

When you squeeze a bud and smell your fingers it has that very sweet skunky smell that most purple kushs have, with a mix of sweet pine which is from the Northern lights.

The more I think about it, the more impatient I get to harvest :jointsmile:

ZOOM in to really see the frost :thumbsup:

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The healthy plants look great, congrats! The discolored leaves and then the browning looks like nute burn, since you weren't feeding them much before and then loaded them with all those nutes it looks like you shocked them. This year is my best year growing and I decided to use FF Big Bloom and Grow big while vegging and used a little Tiger Bloom when flowering but I guess I used too much on one plant and she immediately started willting and was dead in 5 days even tho I was flushing every day, I think I gave her root rot.. On the Indicas that I used Overdrive on the colas have totally bulked up maybe double in size.

I was going to post to you before about the brown shit on the leaves because that's exactly what it is.... when I see that on my lime tree it is shit from the aphids the ants have put on there. But you discovered the thrips so I guess that is what you have. In growing my plants totally outdoors I have never ever had an insect problem. If I did I would use diatomaceous earth all around the soil and dust the leaves, that seems to kill any and all insects .... will even keep fleas out of your carpet and off of your pets. It's cheap and non toxic, just don't inhale it.

The flowers are frosting up nicely, but I'd really like to bulk them up with flower hardener. They still have another 6 weeks til harvest.

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I can't get a handle on the droopy/yellow leaves... I usually don't have any yellowing until week 8 of flower, but this plant has had it since the middle of veg stage.

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It seems very temper-mental/unpredictable.
Honestly one of the hardest strains I've worked with, and I probably wont grow it again.

thats one scary looking bud at the the hairs look like tenticals, also i like your big Bertha plant you have on the bottom excellent

I know I said I wasn't going to update you on these anymore but I cant resist. :jointsmile:

Grand Daddy x Purple Kush

Clones-

I have 11 clones shoved into that 8'x3' space. :jointsmile: and the hole is about 3' deep.
There was 12, but one was mysteriously broken in half and died... Im pretty sure it was my dog being nosy. :wtf:
These are doing 1000x better than my purple lights clones..

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Mother-

If all goes well, each cola/top will produce around 1-2ounces :greenthumb:

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Frosty :food10:
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[quote=MrGrowBig]I know I said I wasn't going to update you on these anymore but I cant resist. :jointsmile:

Grand Daddy x Purple Kush

Clones-

I have 11 clones shoved into that 8'x3' space. :jointsmile: and the hole is about 3' deep.

Then put into soft pot(geo) on top of trench for protection, roots go through pot into special trench nature's overdrive l

I was tying up some of the low branches this morning and this little leaf caught my eye. Luckily I didnt miss it because I believe those are caterpillar eggs.

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After a google search I found this page, which seems to have the same exact eggs. Sorry my phone doesn't zoom in as good as those pictures, but when I look at the leaf threw a magnifying glass, the little pattern on top of the eggs is the same.

treeblog | treeblog alders host to caterpillars and insect eggs


Every year little silk worms fly down from the oak trees and leave a bunch of webbing all over the house. I wonder if they have anything to do with it.

I have Safer brand caterpillar killer, but I'm kinda nervous to spray the plants now. Will it effect the quality or taste of the buds??

Looks like a job for Thumb-o-zine.

Carefully place the offending leaf tip on the outside of the base of your right index finger.
Now bring your right thumb down squarely on top of said leaf tip.
Apply considerable pressure while sliding thumb front to back, (not side to side), for 7 repeats.

Inspect.
Any more eggs?
Repeat.

Fast.
Cheap.
And if you wash your nasty thumb, non-toxic. :D

Seriously, with eggs that large and visible, hand removal is the best option.

Aloha,
Weezard

The whole leaf is the size of my big thumb so I just pulled it off lol :thumbsup:

But Im more worried about the mother that laid the eggs, because the leaf above it has a big hole in it.

And I don't want it eating the buds, or even worse, laying eggs in them!!!

Trying to find it would be like finding a needle in a hay stack.

If it's a butterfly, or more likely a moth, the adults won't eat your plant.
Surface poisons are ineffective.
They fly in, lay eggs, and fly off.

Systemic poisons don't kill caterpillars until they start munching.
So, it prevents maturing and laying more eggs, but does not help the plant that is now somewhat toxic to us.

At this late stage, hand removal before they hatch is the best action.
These eggs are quite large and white.
The new hatch will color match their food and will be very hard to see.
So, squish early, and often.

The bud-worms that start bud mold have much smaller eggs, and they get laid one or two at a time inside the buds.
For them, I use dryer sheets to repel the moths before they can lay eggs.
Works a treat.

Aloha,
Weezard

Got some pretty nasty thunderstorms over the weekend. I was very unprepared and wasnt able to cover the big girls without causing damage. So i had no choice but to leave them uncovered. They seem to be doing fine, molding from the inside out is my biggest concern.

Today I built a simple PVC greenhouse for shelter, so the next storm wont be an issue.

The only bad news I have is the GDP plant has corn earworms. They are larva from moths. They come from the same eggs I found on the Purple lights plant (pictures above), but we never found any eggs on the GDP, so we think they were hatched in the soil.
These nasty little caterpillars dig their way into the center of a bud, and kill them from the inside out. I had to give the whole plant a good spray with organic safer brand caterpillar killer.

When you open an infested buds, you will find 1 or 2 worms, and a bunch of little "balls", which is their poop. :wtf:

If you don't completely trim off the infested areas, the poop/dead bud, will eventually turn into mold, and it will ruin the entire plant.. Its best to remove it and take a small loss now, instead of losing everything later!!

The way you can tell if a bud is infested, is these little dry "patches". All the pistils on this "patch" will turn brown and crispy. If you pick at it, the whole section of dead bud will come right off, like opening a front door. Then you will see the home that the worm has made inside.. They are a very horrible pest! :(

Unfortunately its too dark to take pictures but I will take some tomorrow.

Took some pics of the PVC greenhouse I made. Very simple design. Just put 4 3 foot stakes in the ground for the base of the greenhouse to slide over.
For now I'm just going to drape over a big tarp when ever a storm is coming. But next year I'll invest in some clear plastic so I can leave the roofing on all season.
If you're planning on making something similar, I would recommend using 1" or bigger pvc. Because I only had this 3/4" and it sags more then I would like it too. If 3/4" is all you have, it will work just fine, just don't use anything smaller.

Let me know what you think. :jointsmile:

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The GDP was harvested a few weeks back with a 25/75 amber to cloudy trich ratio, and its still a HEAVY hitter. :stoned: Dry harvest weight for the one mother plant was 1.1lbs. And i still havent harvested the 11 clones which will yield another 1-2ounces each. :thumbsup:


But the Purple lights is on its 11/12th WEEK OF FLOWER!! and its only a 1/99, amber to cloudy. Almost all the pistols are still white. Im starting to think that maybe an interuption in the light cycle caused it to restart its "flower timer".. because Ive never flowered a strain for longer than 8-10 weeks, and shes at 11/12 and still isnt maturing!

I guess i shouldnt say she isnt maturing, because she is, the trichs have matured to their cloudy stage. BUT the only amber trichs I see are on the "bud leaf", and the buds themselves are 100% cloudy. It has been this way for almost 2 weeks.

What do you think I should do? Should I just pull it? Its getting to mid 40's (°F) at night, and its supposed to rain and hit mid 30's in 4 days.

Some sativa crosses will never go amber, (it's genetic), so I'd say chop at least half of her now.
Leave the rest for a couple more weeks to see if she's a "no-amber" gal for next season.

Aloha,
Weezard

My friend that gave me the seeds said it was Northern Lights (pure indica) x Trainwreck (Sativa dominant), so that could be.

But after checking the weather report, it turns out I can let her go another 4 days, because I'm expecting a chance of rain and freezing temperatures on the 29th.