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hi guys im sam , it is my first time growing indoor , ive read the grow bible book already , and look at this forum for my question for 2 monthes
and now ive opened and account here because i may have some problems of course during the growing
now im growing from seed , they are at seedling stage , i got about 170 pots in my room , they are 1 galoon pots , i use 2 metal halid MH 400 W for my room .
everything seems to be okay till now , but just 7 of my pots , they didnt show up anything , i did germinate the seed in paper towel method , they were fresh , but i really don have idea why 7 of them just died , is it normal among 170 pots 7 of them die ????

Hi Sam, nice to meet you. :D

I think it's pretty standard for a few of the seedlings to not sprout, especially when you're dealing with a high number of seedlings(I'm not sure about the ratio %'s).

If you just had a bag full of randomly mixed seeds and are trying to plant them, then I think it's pretty normal that some seedling do not sprout, turn out bad, or even die.

If you bought them online, then I think the % of seedlings not sprouting are greatly reduced.

A lot of this also depends on how you set up your growing operation, and how effective it is.

If the other seedlings turned out great with no problems and look very healthy then I don't think you should be too worried.

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Nice to meet you and thank you for your guidance

i was starting be worry about it , i was thinkin maybe ive done something wrong

now ive put 2 picture , one is one of the seedling , i think the other ones are doing fine , but cuz i don got expreience , ill be glad to hear your opinion too

and the other one is the picture of the grow room ,

1.have i put the lights far away from the pots ???

2.are the pots too much close to each other ? or it is good ? they are 1 galon pots

Thank you again !

:thumbsup:Sam,
Welcome.

IF this is your first grow, I would suggest you fill in the form; More of the 'experts' will drop in, to peek! And maybe give a little advice.. before you have a problem..

I sure as heck hope you are growing major league 'couchlock' (World Peace) and dust off your country with it!
boards.cannabis.com/plant-problems/127058-troubleshooting-form-yay-you-know-you-wanted-one.html

Surely, if this is couchlock, everyone will want to help you get the biggest yield and best bud! Happy Pharming! :jointsmile:pr

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Originally Posted by sosa

Nice to meet you and thank you for your guidance

i was starting be worry about it , i was thinkin maybe ive done something wrong

now ive put 2 picture , one is one of the seedling , i think the other ones are doing fine , but cuz i don got expreience , ill be glad to hear your opinion too

and the other one is the picture of the grow room ,

1.have i put the lights far away from the pots ???

2.are the pots too much close to each other ? or it is good ? they are 1 galon pots

Thank you again !

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I think that the light IS too far away from the pots. during the seedling stages, if you put the light far away, the seedlings will not have enough light and because of that it could die or not grow good. You want to be able to put the lights pretty close to the pots, so that the seeds have a lot of light to grow fast and good. now you do not want to put it too close, because if you do you will damage the plants because it is too hot and close to the light.

Now the best way to know is too check your seedlings. If your seedlings are growing too tall and skinny then that means the light is too far, and if the leaves is looking burned then it is too close.I dont know what exact light you are using, so you will have to figure out the best height for the lights, but try to put the lights as close as possible without your plants suffering from the light. I would say at least move it 2x closer then it already is right now.

and I do not think that the pots are too close, it is good.

also during the seedling stage of growing, you do not need to put each seedling in 1 gallon pots. i think it is better when you put the seedlings in a much smaller pots. because that way you can have a lot of seedlings in a small area and put the light pretty close, and they will all have good light source. rather then right now, where you have them all spread out in big 1 gallon pots, so now your lighting is spread out.

Look on youtube for videos on how to grow marijuana. they have specific videos dealing with seeds, seedlings, pots, and lights. I think that if you watch some videos and read some of the threads on this forum, then you will have a good idea knowing how to grow. If I were you, then I would do a lot of research first, before just trying it out. because there are all kinds of little steps that you can mess up, and those little mistakes might affect your overall yield or quality of the marijuana.

And the last thing, if you want help and advice and guidance with your specific problems, then you will have to give as much detail about how you are growing your plants. That way people have more information and will be able to help you better.

GL :thumbsup:

EDIT: looking at that picture of your seedling, you can see that the stem is very skinny and tall. that means that the light is too far away from the plant, and the plant is trying to grow its leaves fast and close to the light. that is not good. the plant will be very tall but very weak. and if the main stem is weak then the plant cannot support heavy buds. and no heavy buds means, very small harvest. and very small harvest means, a lot of time wasted growing for very little yield. so put the lights a lot closer if you can, it is still at an early stage so you can correct this problem, but the longer you wait, the worst it gets.

yes youre rigght , i think the stem is very skinny and tall ,
dont u think is a little bit late for fixing it, its about 2 weeks from germinating
tomorrow ill make them closer
really thanks for ur guidance

And im using 2 400 w MH for these stages , isn it enough ?

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this is the latest picture ithat ive took . what do u think ? is it too skinny ?

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And im using 2 400 w MH for these stages , isn it enough ?

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Are you using, 2 x 400 w lights for 170 seedling/plants? If that is the case then that is definitely not enough light for all those plants.
the more plants you have, then the more lights/watts and room that you need.
170 plants is a lot and you will need a lot of powerful lights to grow them good(your current lights will not be good enough).
If I were you, I would scale down the number of plants you are growing to a reasonable number of plants( about 6-12 plants IMO) and then use reasonable lighting.
If you do want to grow a large number of plants, then you will need to get more lights/watts than you have right now.

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i think the stem is very skinny and tall ,
dont u think is a little bit late for fixing it, its about 2 weeks from germinating

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Marijuana will grow pretty much under any condition. So even after being far from the light during early vegging state, the lighting can be fixed and the plants will grow much better.
But because of the mistakes you made, the plants will not reach their full potential, and will turn out weaker and have less buds then if you did not make the mistakes.

The decision to continue growing or starting over is up to you. In my opinion the direction you are headed with your current grow project is NOT good, and I think you can do a lot better if you educate yourself on marijuana and start over. I would advise for you to start over since you are only 2 weeks into the project. You do not want to waste your time continuing growing for months, and only get a very small harvest at the end. If you do start over, and have good basic knowledge of growing marijuana, then you can grow some high quality marijuana.

If you do start over, then you should do A LOT of research, so that you know all the basics of growing MJ. After you have done your research, you should estimate how many plants you want to grow, and then you will need to estimate how many lights/watts you need to grow them. It seems like you did not do much research in your current grow, and because of your lack of knowledge on growing MJ, you have made a few critical mistakes. Growing marijuana is not as easy as it looks, and it requires a lot of your time and attention. Not just putting a bunch of seeds in pots and putting it under a couple of lights.

I would also suggest you create a grow log with all the details and information for your grow set-up in BASIC GROWING. If you do create a grow log, then you can have a well documented grow project, so that people can advice you on how to grow your plants better. you can also get advice for your day-to-day problems that occur, so that the problems get solved right away, rather then wait until it is too late(like your case seems to be). If you do not want to create a grow log, then at least look at other grow logs and learn from those logs.

I am no expert in growing though, I am just giving you basic information that might help steer you in the right direction. You will get a lot more interest, attention, and help from experienced/expert growers on BASIC GROWING section then you will here in the INTRODUCE YOURSELF section of the forums. People on these forums are always willing to help out, but you will need to do a lot of your own research first before asking for a lot of help and answers for questions.

Peace be upon you:hippy:;)

I'd like to help out here.

I was just surprised that you started with soooo many plants. You are going to spend so much time pruning them.

Anyway, my opinion is a little different. I would NOT say start over again, but take a little different approach.

First, there is no way to successfully grow 170 plants with a total of 800 Watts. I have a 250W setup and I have problems getting enough light on 3 plants...I like them to get as much light as possible. I am sure the light is good for up to 6 plants, but it won't cover the entire plant.

Option 1. Install more lights. My opinion, get (at least) 3 x 1000W MH and 3 x 1000W HPS and set them up all at the same time so you have 6000W shining all the time. MH will help vegetative and HPS will make them grow faster. This is a technique used by greenhouses.

How to save on power cost? You use the professional marijuana growers light schedule instead of the standard 18/6 (18 hrs on 6 hrs off) or 24/0 (lights on all the time).

Use this schedule instead - 12 hrs on - 5.5 hrs off - 1 hr on - 5.5 hrs off.

The average yield per watt (how much weed you will produce) is approximately .5 grams per watt, so more lights, the more results you will get.

Second option - Poor mans approach.

I hate killing plants just because. Especially these ones...

If you want to keep the same lights as you have without buying more powerful ones, then move 150 plants into another room and just leave the light on for 24 hrs. I did that once, so I am speaking from experience. I left a few plants on my desk and by the window because I didn't have a grow box yet and I grew them for about 4 months under a 50w light (the 50w light was the regular room light, not a lamp with CFL shining on the plant. The light was the one on the ceiling. It was so weak that the plant didn't even bother stretching 8-))..it grew SLOW. That's ok, because when you take them back into your grow room, they grow like crazy because the root systems are much more mature. You could almost SEE them grow, it's that fast.

OR (spend a little extra money)


What I suggest is to buy 2 x 1k Watt HPS lights and make another room. When the first 20 plants are ready for flowering, you put them into the HPS room, then move 20 more plants into the MH room and when the second set of plants are ready for flower, move them to the HPS room and keep doing that. I think by the time your third set of plants are ready for flowering, the first set of plants should be finished flowering.

Sooo...

Move 150 plants into another room with a regular light and near windows, so the sun can get in. Start with 20 plants under your 2 x 400W MH lights. When they are ready for flowering, move them into the flowering room with 2 x 1k Watt HPS lights (12/12) (there is an advanced way to do this as well, but it won't work with this setup because of the moving of plants). I can explain this later for a stable grow.

Move second set of 20 plants into MH room...grow until they are ready for flowering, then move them into the HPS room...by this time, your first flowering set of plants should be around 4-8 weeks into flowering. Depending on your plants, flowering should be done by weeks 8-14. You will have to research on how to see if they are ready to take down.

Keep on doing this till you are finished all your plants..THEN..dont do 170 again unless you have enough light.


I hope you are in the middle of nowhere or have real good carbon filters because they will STINK! 8-)

nice advice Steveat.

I advised him to start over because, even if he puts the light closer, he will still have the problem of not having enough watts to cover all those 170 plants. It seems like he overlooked a lot of things and just winged the whole growing project. I personally think it is best if he just starts all over, rather then waste his time with weak plants that haven't had any proper lighting for multiple weeks. If he starts over with 10-20 plants, and adds a couple more powerful lights, then he will be much better off then trying to continue the mess that he started.

But that is just my personal opinion on the whole subject. I definitely like the alternative that you have given him though, that way he could still use all the plants that he has already grown.

it seems like he has some major problems that he has to fix regardless of whether he starts over or continues.

1) light is not close enough to plants - this is easy to fix, just put the lights that you have much closer to the plants, but not to the point it damages the plants.

2) too many plants - I would suggest to scale down significantly(10-20 plants), but if you want to keep all those plants, then you will need a LOT more lights and powerful ones.

3) not enough lights and watts - whether you keep 170 plants or scale down, the current lights that you have do not produce enough watts to grow marijuana optimally. so you have to get better and more powerful lights, or just a lot more lights with more watts.