Well, since it looks like the rebubs are going to go with another statist just like Barry there is only one choice for me now. I think I'll burn my Repub card now.
Gary Johnson 2012
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Well, since it looks like the rebubs are going to go with another statist just like Barry there is only one choice for me now. I think I'll burn my Repub card now.
Gary Johnson 2012
Help Me Debate the War on Drugs with Obama and Romney
bring it on!!!
I will probably still just write in Ron Paul's name. Not that it makes any difference because we don't get to vote for the president anyways. Its called democracy and we don't have it.
I guess I shouldn't give up on Paul before the fat lady sings, he could still make a come back and get the repub nomination.
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Would love to see a Ron Paul/Dennis Kucinich ticket. It might put him in a better position publically to take the lead come election day. Both a very similar in there stand on a lot of different issues. Would be great to see 2 opposing party members work together to resolve our problems.
ITS NOT CALLED DEMOCRACY!!! ITS CALLED A CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC. DEMOCRACY is a HORRIBLE FORM OF GOVERNMENT. ITS A SHAM, NOTHING MORE THAN MOB RULE...Just like Rome. You guys still dont have your head wrapped around the full picture here...We are toppling regimes(good or bad w/e) around the world and implementing "Democracy"..Democracy is the NEW WORLD ORDER. Has Democracy worked for us? NO. then why would it work for the world? America is RIP if Ron Paul donst get elected, and I dont even trust him fully.Quote:
Originally Posted by killerweed420
you assume too much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trapn06
you assume too much. just because some of us enjoy discussing politriks doesn't mean we are not aware of the shit that is going on behind the scenes. I would have disagree with you about Democracy. Take a look at the Swiss they invented the idea of "direct democracy" as opposed to our form of indirect "representative democracy" we have here in the US. The only thing we have close to this in the US is voter sponsored inititives, the statist's worst nightmare. :twocents: Without this form of direct democracy we would likely have never seen medical cannabis in the US. I'd like to see national direct democracy myself, it is the only way we will ever take control back from our "representatives" in congress.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trapn06
Of course not because we're a constitutional republic.lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Trapn06
Nothing wrong with a democracy. The problem is it comes in all different sizes and shapes. People still call us a democracy because we do resemble one. The only real difference between a constitutional republic and a democracy is that in a democracy you actually get to vote for your leader, we don't.
A true democracy would be great. We get to start voting for out president and I think we should change the constitution to make the house and senate just basically secretarial positions. Let them draft the bills, let voters vote them up or down. You would see the end of 1000 page bills. More than 2 or 3 pages and people would just vote against them which would be good. As long as the Bill of Rights is left intact it doesn't really matter what form of government you have. Governments are not there to grant civil rights they can only inhibit them. In our own constitutional republic the power needs to be transfered back to where our forefathers invisioned it, state power. Cut the federal government by 80% and let the states do there jobs. Corruption is a lot easier to control at the state level than it is at the federal level.
we need a national version of the State level voter sponsored inititatives that would trump congress. Its the only way we would ever be able to do really radical needed changes like gutting the federal reserve, keeping a balanced budget, ending all these endless needless wars, etc. :twocents: I'm not sure how we would get there, tho.
our current representative form of national gov't is an outdated and corruptable middle layer that is not needed. its like microsoft windows, it can be corrupted. :rastasmoke: and it this case it is obviously corrupted beyond repair at this point and needs to be eliminated from the equation.
getting back on topic . . :jointsmile: how about Gary Johnson and Jesse Ventura as his running mate! :smokin: or visa versa.
It would be a good ticket. But I doubt it would get much support from republicans sitting on the fence. Gary doesn't really have enough name recognition with the general public. Now if Gary and Ron Paul would hookup that would be a good ticket. But I doubt Ron would accept second seat.Quote:
Originally Posted by boaz
^ yeah, KW, I watched this interesting story yesterday on RT about how the Paul campaign might still win by sticking with their long term strategy of locking in delagates. I'm not going to write them off for the Repub nom just yet but its going to be a tuff slog. I guess its really too soon to be discussing third parties until we see what happens, but yeah, if Congressman Paul does not get the repub nomination, I would definately support him as an independent, too, if he wants to go down that road.
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Its going to be an interesting RNC convention. I've got hunch Ron will be bringing a little surprise to the affair. He will be like H Ross Perot was of a sorts. Ron may very well be the decinding factor of whether a republican or a democrat wins in 2012. It appears with his crew working behind the scenes that they have gathered quite a few electoral votes in quite a few states. If nothing else Ron can use them as a bargaining chip to get something he wants.
Ron Paul is funny man. He has ZERO chance at winning anything. Zero. American must KNOW this math? No? Why Middle or Independents dont get rid of this clown and invest in a better candidate with fresher ideas is almost scary. You know see? Paul wont want his boy son to have massive target on his back, he wont stay in race. Then world watch as some oddball with odd hair named Mitt?? Pawns Obama electorally in battleground states. Anything can happen between now and then, but Obama look like he in trouble math wise.
Back to the interwebs battlefield. Peace.
yeah, Congressman Paul needs some "fresh ideas". :D those old notions of personal liberty, limited gov't and honoring The Constitution of the United States are getting old, hu? :rastasmoke:
Yep I guess there's a large section of the Amerikan public that doesn't see much use in having a document like the bill of rights. If you vote left or right thats exactly what you're voting for, someone that wants to rip the bill of rights up and shit can it. Not me. The bill of rights is the single most important document ever written by man or by a fake god for that matter.lol Its musch more important than the constitution. As I've stated it doesn't really matter in the real world which form of government you have as long as the main founding document is something like our bill of rights. It states in plain english exactly what those unalienable rights are and nowhere in there does it mention they are granted by some fake god. They are granted by your creator. Which for a rational mind means they were granted by your parents.
Not at all, Ron Paul is getting old. When they dump HIM personally and find someone FAR more energetic they will do alot better and get WAY,WAY, more votes. Ron Paul, as a human being is not a leader. Sorry. Washed up. Dump Paul in 2016 and find a better candidate. Some of his ideas are great, he just doesnt have the swagga to garner the MAJORITY. Never gonna happen in ur lifetime. Bet $. And he isnt gonna kill his sons job and future career by being a Ross Perot in 2012.Quote:
Originally Posted by boaz
Ron Paul was never going to be president and I'm sure he knew it from the beginning, He is a very smart man. You don't get to a position like he has by being stupid. I have trust he knows what he's doing because he's the only one in the house that has not changed his agenda since day one so there for he deserves a certain amount of my trust. I would wait till the RNC convention before you count him out. He's definitely got a plan.
yeah, I understand. that is your opinion. I'm not going to try to guess what he might do if he doesn't pull it off but he is the only one in the repub race i would vote for. but i'm old i don't really care much about one's swagga. but i'm sure those things are important to others. the important thing is he helped changed the discussion and some younger folks are getting it. its just a tuff slog against the media's noice machine.Quote:
Originally Posted by LuLzBoaT
Fair enough, just seems if wanted to be taken seriously the people and most important the $$, would choose someone who can be taken serious as contender.
and today he is officially done. In May.
Certainly far from done.lolQuote:
Originally Posted by LuLzBoaT
He's now won Iowa, Minnesota, probably Alaska and there was a couple of other states too. This is politics. Its not a winner take all scenario. Ron has a HUGE bargaining chip now. Without Ron's help Romney can not win. Ron has a plan. I don't know whether its some special legislation or possibly a plan about the VP but he obviously has a plan. Like I said, just wait for the RNC convention and you'll probably see history made as a bargain is made. They have no choice, they have to bargain with Ron if the GOP wants any chance at getting rid of Barry.