Quality of medicine?!?!

I received my card roughly a month ago...11/15/2011. I have tried medicine from 6 diff organizations in the Albuquerque area....and I am shocked at the lack of quality medicine. Having lived in California and been a medical cannabis patient when I was there, I personally am surprised that the medicine available is of such low quality. 2 of the 6 organizations I have visited have quality medicine...the other 4 I was quite tempted to call them and demand my money back. It seems to me that the plants are either harvested too early and/or undercured. Is it because of the limited number of plants they are allowed to grow and the disproportionate number of patients they serve? Or is it just a lack of horticultural experience? Comments, questions, flames?

This is New Mexico. We have a totally different system then the other states.
For example, All producers grow their own medication. It is not bought from the street and then just package it and passed on to the patients.

Does New Mexico have the finest medical cannabis in the world?
I'm sure there are lots of people growing better cannabis, Just ask Ollie Grow or Mimbers Valley. They will tell you, even if you don't ask.
The difference is if you buy medication that is not up to your standards.....
TAKE IT BACK TO THE PRODUCER WITH YOUR RECEIPT AND
KINDLY ASK FOR YOUR MONEY BACK ON THE UNSED AMOUNT.

It's a new program, it is not perfect (yet). Even in CA the first two or three years of the program were a joke!

I'm not sure how anybody can complain about a purchase when they haven't even gone to the producer and tried to get their money back or exchange for something more suitable.

It takes time to perfect all aspects of a great medical cannabis program. Be, fair and use your voice, the system is getting better by the day. If you only tried 6 producer's products then you still have 17 more producers to try.
Stick around and be part of the best developing program in the world, or move on.

No matter how much complaining you do on this site about how bad the producers and the program suck in New Mexico - if you don't go to the source or even give them a chance to make you a happy customer, you have nobody to be upset with other then yourself.

The problem as I see it is all the producers are skipping the curing step - they cut the crop, and sell it damp a week later. If they properly cured it for about 6 weeks, it would be better. But that would delay their $$$$ and so we can't have that!:mad:

Sorry I don't completely agree. I have been to many of the local (ABQ) dispencaries and for the most part have found some damn good meds. I also have to say that I have been to a couple and they will not see me again.

I suggest you try a small amount of several kinds and find out what you like. That is what I have done. Some great and some not good at all. Give Rgreenleaf a call, they cure theirs well. Nice tight buds. Same with Natural RX. I got some Pineapple Thai and Pineapple express there the other day and am very happy with it. I as well have some White Widow and Super Silver haze from Greenleaf and theirs is great and you gotta try their cookies!!! HOLY SHIT! Very good!

Just My Opinion. Sorry Cannahub for naming names but it needs to be said. Find what works for you and who has what. I have gone around and now have 16 strains, only a gram or two of each, but 16 strains with 10 I would get again.

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Originally Posted by InsuranceGuy

Sorry Cannahub for naming names but it needs to be said. Find what works for you and who has what. I have gone around and now have 16 strains, only a gram or two of each, but 16 strains with 10 I would get again.

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No worries! You are right on the head! Great advice!
Try a little from each until you find the right one (or two or three for you) for you.
And for goodness sake (IMHO) if you don't like the meds or the way they do business, tell them! They are not for profit corporations, run with patients on their board of directors - Nobody wants mediocre medicine or service - Nobody.

Oh BTW: the cookies from R. Greenleaf........ HOLY SHIT might be an understatement, but I can't think of a better description right now. Oh so good!!

I appreciate your guys' feedback and CannaHub, I would just like to clarify that I never said anything or anyone or any program 'sucked' so I would appreciate it if you would not paraphrase my post. Unfortunately, I do not travel all over the state of New Mexico frequently so I am not able to try all 24 producers or I gladly would do so! I am not complaining about the program, just voicing my opinion as a medical cannabis patient. The thing about this situation is it's rather pointless to exchange a product you purchased when their entire inventory is of the same quality. Plus I tend to not return purchased items, I spent many years in retail and its a matter of principle for me. I agree there are patients on the board of directors, but from what i hear alot of these patients have little to no contact with the operation of the organization itself...I do not dispute that some of these places have the patient's best interests at heart. Some other places make me want to ask them to weigh my medicine in front of me. I'm not trying to criticize, once again just voicing an opinion. InsuranceGuy, I agree with you on picking up samples from different dispensaries and that is what I am doing. My methodology is actually to purchase a minimum of 1 gram of every strain offered at the dispensary, in order to get a fair gauge on the range of their product quality. I currently have 13+ strains that I've purchased in the last couple weeks. I keep meticulous notes on every sample and compare them with previous notes of the same strain to gauge relative effectiveness. My main issue with thiis that the delivery services do not allow you to view samples before purchasing...you only get to see the medicine if you purchase it first. I actually just picked up some master kush and og kush earlier this afternoon and I am very pleased however, since I was able to view my product before purchase and have the weight confirmed. Scaredashell, I agree with you to some extent....I don't think the producers here however are as heavily money centered as those in California....but I do think that it has something to do with it. Maybe trying to scrounge up fees for end of the year? Regardless I have been trying to cure some of the medicine as I smoke it. Im also wondering about growing methods...under the current legal plant limit if cycled correctly producers shouldnt run out of strains between harvests...or very rarely. I'm seeing ALOT of shortages quickly after a harvest.

Shadow you are on the right track. I have picked up 16 different strains. I am currently doing my own 12 days of Christmas, which started yesterday BTW, to which I get to pick a diff strain each day. I was going to put a little of each 16 strains in a bowl on Christmas day but since I will be with family all day I think I am going to Greenleaf and pick up some cookies(3 for $10). I spoke with Willie from Greenleaf yesterday and he said lots of his patients only eat half a cookie at a time. I will be with 25 family members so its gonna be a whole cookie for me...
Anyway Shadow, it was suggested to another person a while ago, if you don't like what you find out there grow it if you can.
I wish you the best in finding what works for you. As for me I want to try it all!

Don't know where I have been but this is the first time I see this thread. And I would like to get in on this.First shadowyazn you say "and I am shocked at the lack of quality medicine." Most of the producers here are only on there 2nd or 3rd harvests not sure if you have ever grown any medical grade cannabis INDOORS But if you have then you know what I am talking about.It took me about 11/2 years to get it down so I know what producers are going through.You also say "It seems to me that the plants are either harvested too early and/or undercured." There I agree with you. Most of the producers are hanging on by a thin string so they are in a hurry to get there product out.What I am seeing is that they are trying to get us the best meds that they can. But it is not a one strain deal what works for you might not work for me. CannaHub put it straight if you are not happy with what you got then by all means let them know and I am sure they would work with you on that. "Or is it just a lack of horticultural experience?" Most likely that is what it is. CannaHub keep up the good work. ScardasHell as usual All you do is bitch about producers Not sure why. I saw your pics of what you have grown and it looked nice.Do you really have to buy from producers? OK InsuranceGuy your turn not really when dose the party start. Back to shadowyazn "The thing about this situation is it's rather pointless to exchange a product you purchased when their entire inventory is of the same quality." Then what you do is get your mony back and move on.But don't smoke it all and then want your money back. "I spent many years in retail and its a matter of principle for me." When it comes to my money it's a matter of principle to me not to throw it away. "I keep meticulous notes on every sample and compare them with previous notes of the same strain to gauge relative effectiveness."Thats all good but you have to remember that was that plant yea most of the producers are cloning there plants so it should be the same but it also has to do with how you grow it method, nutes ect. "I was able to view my product before purchase and have the weight confirmed." If you are worried about the weight and think you are getting ripped off then just move on." Regardless I have been trying to cure some of the medicine as I smoke it."Depends on the moistue content in the bud if it will continue to cure I don't think that what you get from producers can continue to CURE it is already too dry."Im also wondering about growing methods...under the current legal plant limit if cycled correctly producers shouldnt run out of strains between harvests...or very rarely. I'm seeing ALOT of shortages quickly after a harvest." Shadowyazn I posted a scenario on a 150 plant harvest on another post and not too much room to play with so if a certain strain is a hit and everyone wants that strain it goes fast. It will take at least 6 months to get that strain back in stock If you want it cured.Shadowyazn Don't get me wrong not picking on you or anything like that .P.S.If you are not happy with producers GROW YOUR OWN that way if you don't like it then you only have yourself to blame.

The Party has already started.... 12 days of Christmas is going strong! 10 days to go.... Now I am nervous...will I make it? will I run out? Will I get to stoned and forget which day it is or which strain I should smoke? OH SHIT! What do I do? I know, Smoke at least 3 strains a day and get a few cookies to keep ya going....

LOL

Well I did just that, got some more cookies.

I went to a new dispencary yesterday, well new for me. I was expecting to get some of Da Purps.... Not very good looking. I asked to see some other strains... not impressed. I was happy to hear that they didn't grow it. They ran out so the got some elsewhere. I will check back with them another time. I went elsewhere.

At least you were able to see it before you bought.

Hey InsuranceGuy, I know exactly what place you're talking about...and I agree on the product. I got some of their actual medicine 2 weeks ago when they first opened that location and I have to say it was pretty good. Undercured, but other than that no complaints! Very pungent buds and tasty too! I actually just started smoking the product from them this week, I spent 2 weeks curing it myself. I recently began picking up from CG Corrigan...and although you can't view their product beforehand I have only been dissapointed once...and they recently gave me a free 8th due to the low quality of the previous 8th. So...very pleased! Seems Minerva has some good product lately as well...only thing is I've been finding seeds.....

Off the subject but how would your store your meds for long term? I have heard freezing may not be the best method.

Yellowsnow I think for long term storage after it is well cured for about 6 months OH YEA if you have been able to get it there with no mold You'll have some nice bud.. There are several process and effects which take place during curing that can rationally and scientifically explain the increase in potency and improvement of the smoke in cured material. Moisture is essential for the curing process, it is both your friend and enemy. If too much moisture is left in the buds, with out the regular mixing, venting and turning of buds involved with curing, molds and bacteria can quickly form and ruin the taste and potency of your stash. On the other hand, without the necessary moisture metabolic processes essential to curing do not take place.Once curing is complete and the medicine is dry, it should still contain 10-15% moisture, approximately 2-4% of its initial water. This is ideal because most bacteria and molds can not grow below 15% water content, and below 10% cannabis buds tend to powder. SO once there the best way for longer storage is in those same glass jars in the freezer.

This is totally cured and ready to be consumed. What i'm thinking is sealing in one of those seal a meal machines then into a tupperware container then to the freezer.

Am sure that will work the whole object is to get it air tight.

shadow- ya the stuff I saw came from somewhere else. It was not that good looking or smelling. The guys there are are awesome. Very Friendly. I will be doing some other business with them here real soon. They said they will have their meds soon and much better quality.

Have not tried Corrigan. Thought they were real proud of their meds with those prices. I have stuck with Greenleaf and NaturalRX for my meds. Great people , Great Product, Good/Fair Prices. I will try all the local dispencarys eventually just to try them. But for now I know the ones that work for me. When the new crops comes in, it should be fun around here from what I hear....

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Originally Posted by alfonso2002

Yellowsnow I think for long term storage after it is well cured for about 6 months OH YEA if you have been able to get it there with no mold You'll have some nice bud.. There are several process and effects which take place during curing that can rationally and scientifically explain the increase in potency and improvement of the smoke in cured material. Moisture is essential for the curing process, it is both your friend and enemy. If too much moisture is left in the buds, with out the regular mixing, venting and turning of buds involved with curing, molds and bacteria can quickly form and ruin the taste and potency of your stash. On the other hand, without the necessary moisture metabolic processes essential to curing do not take place.Once curing is complete and the medicine is dry, it should still contain 10-15% moisture, approximately 2-4% of its initial water. This is ideal because most bacteria and molds can not grow below 15% water content, and below 10% cannabis buds tend to powder. SO once there the best way for longer storage is in those same glass jars in the freezer.

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al,

thanks for that detailed info tho.

No problem Yellowsnow

@ insurance - I actually havent tried rgreenleaf, mainly because they havent responded to any of my e-mails asking them about their office hours? I'm not a big fan of going somewhere just to have them not be open. Do you know their store hours?? and also...what kind of strains do they have? seems their website's slightly outdated. =( as far as CG goes, I've been paying the full price just so I can get an idea of their quality...and I plan on signing the 6 month pledge to support their farming community. If you havent heard of that, I'd suggest you at least give them a call to see what it's all about. From my perspective, it seems like a great deal. Went by NaturalRX yesterday as well and got some sour chem and some purple kush. very satisfied with both...AND they gave me a free 2 grams to make up for the previous shortage.

I'm very pleased with BH fantastic to deal with.

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Originally Posted by shadowyazn

@ insurance - I actually havent tried rgreenleaf, mainly because they havent responded to any of my e-mails asking them about their office hours? I'm not a big fan of going somewhere just to have them not be open. Do you know their store hours?? and also...what kind of strains do they have? seems their website's slightly outdated. =( as far as CG goes, I've been paying the full price just so I can get an idea of their quality...and I plan on signing the 6 month pledge to support their farming community. If you havent heard of that, I'd suggest you at least give them a call to see what it's all about. From my perspective, it seems like a great deal. Went by NaturalRX yesterday as well and got some sour chem and some purple kush. very satisfied with both...AND they gave me a free 2 grams to make up for the previous shortage.

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shadowyazn I think Greenleaf has been having trouble with there email but I think if you give them a call 505) 510-1717 someone will answer the phone. Not sure what strains they have but give them a call.Too bad we don't have pm here to be able to send private messages.

@ yellow snow- whats BH?

That would be Budding Hope.

Nice thanks! Also...do you happen to know RGreenleaf's business hours?

Monday-Friday 10:30am-5:30pm Saturdays 12:00 Noon 3PM

much appreciated! I'm gonna stop by before I hit the road out to Gallup tomorrow =( any tips on certain strains from there alfonso?

Not sure what they have left . I know that they are close to a harvest. But have been happy with all the meds I have gotten from them.Not that I get much.I really really liked the super silver haze but an sure that is gone.

hmmm thats good that you havent had any issues with their quality! theres a place that just came out with a new harvest of one of my favorites, bubba kush so im debating which place to go too...cause the first place's quality is up and down

Well check out GreenLeaf Like I said not sure what they have right now but there meds have always been good also check out there cookies have heard good things about them. Last I heard they were giving them away. also heard that CG Corrigan had some real nice Afghani.P.S. Bubba Kush I like

alf is right Budding Hope, they do allow on-sight pick up also.
All meds are 10 a gram or 30 1/8 right now.

Nice I might check out BH when they do delivery to Alb. on Thursday, any recommendation on strains? A nice sativa perhaps? Also on a side note...received my medicine from CG today....absolutely fantastic. Beautiful bud development, nice and firm with huge amounts of trichromes and hairs all over. Pungent and sweet aromas that accompany a well cured product. They also look nice and frosty, especially the Pineapple Kush. Weighed over as well!

Nice what did you get from CG? as for budding hope have never gotten any meds from them but have heard good things on them to.By the way did you check out GreenLeaf. If so what did you get?

CG- I picked up Afghan, Northern Lights, Pineapple Kush, and HOG. All very beautiful. I highly recommend people pledge to support their farming community! RGreenleaf - Lemon Sour Diesel. Not bad, but not great IMO? Bud development is okay, nice size for an eighth and once ground up it smells like LSD should IMO. Tangy yet with a faint undertone of the pungent diesel scent. However...seems the plant suffered from lack of nutrients at some stage and is rather brownish. Still some unmanicured leaves on it as well. Good hair development, orange over the nugs but trichomes seemed to be underdeveloped. Not to say there isn't any...just not as much as I prefer and DEF not as much as CG's pineapple kush.

Holy crap. So i just went throught he Afghan...and in a half ounce I found about 25 seeds.....

wow what I had gotten did not have any seeds. were the seeds ripe or just white balls. But if you were not happy I would give them a call and am sure they will work with you. How did you like the Afghan?That HOG is not too bad either.

I'd say roughly a little less than half are ripe..bout 9 or 10. I sent them an e-mail last night just so they would be apprised of the situation, still waiting to hear back. I really loved the afghan however! Even though there were seeds it doesnt seem to have diminshed the potency at all. I think maybe just one or 2 plants got pollinated cause not every bud had seeds..I'd say roughly 1/2 of the 1/2 oz. So...still 25 seeds in 7 grams...

Edit: Im probably just gonna keep these seeds and start em up when I get my PPL.

If you are able to sprout those seeds you will have some fine meds there .

I agree! Was contacted by CG earlier this morning and after some e-mails everything was resolved! Great customer service btw over there. =)