My Experience with Rick Simpson Oil

A while back, I kept hearing about it, read about it, and also about other concentrates.
With my experience in using cannabis, from Colombian Gold, Thai Stick, Strawberry Cough, to Querkle, finger hash, different types of medibles (brownies, butter, cookies, candy) the medibles never really impressed me. I am sure they work for others, but for me, they did nothing. I also found it hard to believe the testimonies on the Run From the Cure video, that cannabis, when used correctly, can cure illness and disease assist in pain management, getting off of highly addictive pain medication, and so on.

I did not believe that any of the oil extracts could be as potent as people had said, especially the Rick Simpson Oil.
Out of all the information and research, it seems to me that the Rick Simpson Oil was my best option for treating cancer patients. So I decided to give it a try and see for myself. I have many years of experience in growing high quality medical grade marijuana, indoor, 100% organic.
It took some time, but I saved up a large quantity of premium bud and followed the Rick Simpson directions (my buds were much more manicured than the ones in his video).

I used 9 oz of premium bud, bone dry. I soaked the bud material in 99% isopropyl alcohol, a bit longer than recommended though. When I got to the point of putting it on the coffee cup warmer it took about 6 to 8 hours before the oil stopped bubbling, telling me that the iso had all been evaporated out. I then sucked the oil up into 2 tsp sized syringes while it was still warm. After it cooled down, I sampled a dose the size of a grain of rice, and I couldn't believe it! It offered much more than any bud I have ever smoked. I was absolutely shocked. After trying it, it made me a believer that the people in the video were speaking the truth of the oil curing them of their illnesses. I never had anything like it before in my life.

My cancer patient couldn't handle taking three doses a day, the size of a grain of rice. It was too strong. When taking three doses, it seems to build up in your system, and you can develop a tolerance. Both of my patients, it took them each six weeks before they were capable of increasing the dose size.

One of my patients has Hodgkin's Lymphoma, a cancer that develops in the lymph-nodes, he has been battling this disease for 11 years and had been receiving chemo treatments and was facing radiation treatment, but he chose to try the oil first. Normally he would have already been taking his annual holiday visit to the hospital for a 6 week term for another bout of chemo, but this time I would have been radiation because he was getting worse and the chemo was hurting his body. He has yet to have been admitted this year. His doctors have even commented that he would be back before Thanksgiving. Well Thanksgiving has come and gone, he is not in the hospital, he is at home with his family and feeling pretty darn good. I think he will even be home for Christmas and be able to ring in the New Year at home. I am not claiming it is going to cure him, but I do believe it is doing him better than what the doctors have offered him during the past 11 years. If anything, this oil has offered this patient much hope. I will be sure to update on his condition in the future.

I would also like to note a warning when taking this concentrated oil. It is very potent! This is something that a user should start off with small doses. Just one dose a little bit bigger than a grain of rice, had me lying down for a couple hours, praying to God to bring me back down. Also, my patients and I, when taking the oil three times a day, have noticed when waking up with the first cup of coffee, before taking the morning dose, feel a little buzzed. I highly recommend to make your own oil. I have tried others and got nothing from it.

Here is the batch of oil made with the 9 oz of product. It produced 8.5 teaspoons of the simpson oil. If you ask me, simpson oil is more efficient than smoking bud. It is not for everyone. One small dose of the oil has much longer lasting effects then any other marijuana products I have tried. The effects can last from 6 to 12 hours from one small dose.

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This oil in the picture below was made more for using in a vaporizer. It is much more golden, but for ingesting, I think the darker oil has a higher medicinal value. I also believe that the more golden oil is higher in THC. The reason why this batch was more golden is because it was ultra high quality manicured, no leaf material what so ever, and the plants were intentionally nitrogen stressed before harvest, for a lower chlorophyll amount. When vaping the golden simpson oil, the taste is incredible.

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After making many batches of the simpson oil, I would strongly recommend to use 1/4 lb. or more of indoor grown premium bud. Anything less would be wasteful in my opinion.

I hope this information is helpful.

Any info you can suggest would be more than welcome! I've seen your work! Nothing but PROPS,here!

Ga.

Thanks, I appreciate that.

Forgive me, but what is PROPS?

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Thanks, I appreciate that.

Forgive me, but what is PROPS?

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Credit for...Congrats or anything that has to do with recognition! Or a big Hoooorah!:thumbsup:

Ga.

If you had a lab coat on... I'd swear you were Stinky Attic! She grew some WICKED weed! One of my mentors! Along with Dutch,Rusty,Emmie,Dreamer,Uncle Ben, FIRST AND FOREMOST! Late Great!mota20.. They know who she is! They all have at more than 1 time contributed to my well being! No Lie! Thank all ya'll! There are alot I did'nt mention.. I'm stoned and this could possibly be a subdude rant! I love Indica!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ga.

Simpson oil represents everything that medicinal marijuana stands for. Ive heard people with cancer claim that with no chemo, surgery, or radiation....the simpson oil on its own reduced the size of the cancerous tumors.


Thanks for bringing it in the light. More people need to know about its effects :rasta::thumbsup:

Nice work you are doing. I will definitely give the simpson oil a go if I ever build up that kind of inventory... I'm curious about how you store it and how you dispense it? Also, do you have a sense of shelf life?

You're grow space looks awesome. Well done. You must have been well pleased with yourself when that was completed. I'm wondering about the square footage of each room? Also, do you use the greenhouse vaporizer for sulfur? Can you educate us a bit on that? And finally, after completing your build and putting it through its paces, what would you do differently if you were starting again? I completed a much smaller, studs to lights build about a year ago. My only real gripe is where I placed one or two of the outlets. They should have been a bit higher is all. Not much of a gripe really.

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Nice work you are doing. I will definitely give the simpson oil a go if I ever build up that kind of inventory... I'm curious about how you store it and how you dispense it? Also, do you have a sense of shelf life?

You're grow space looks awesome. Well done. You must have been well pleased with yourself when that was completed. I'm wondering about the square footage of each room? Also, do you use the greenhouse vaporizer for sulfur? Can you educate us a bit on that? And finally, after completing your build and putting it through its paces, what would you do differently if you were starting again? I completed a much smaller, studs to lights build about a year ago. My only real gripe is where I placed one or two of the outlets. They should have been a bit higher is all. Not much of a gripe really.

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Naw... Just a lil' longer cord,huh? When I move. I'm gonna have a Dream Room! From stud to light.

Ga.

Oh it's only a matter of 1 foot. Just a peeve is all. I love my room. It's an awesome hobby setup. Cab, stainless steal counter space, 3 x 5 foot scrog. More than I need.

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If you had a lab coat on... I'd swear you were Stinky Attic! She grew some WICKED weed! One of my mentors! Along with Dutch,Rusty,Emmie,Dreamer,Uncle Ben, FIRST AND FOREMOST! Late Great!mota20.. They know who she is! They all have at more than 1 time contributed to my well being! No Lie! Thank all ya'll! There are alot I did'nt mention.. I'm stoned and this could possibly be a subdude rant! I love Indica!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ga.

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Naw, just GrowGoddess from Michigan. Never used any other screen name when it comes to growing mj.

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Nice work you are doing. I will definitely give the simpson oil a go if I ever build up that kind of inventory... I'm curious about how you store it and how you dispense it? Also, do you have a sense of shelf life?

You're grow space looks awesome. Well done. You must have been well pleased with yourself when that was completed. I'm wondering about the square footage of each room? Also, do you use the greenhouse vaporizer for sulfur? Can you educate us a bit on that? And finally, after completing your build and putting it through its paces, what would you do differently if you were starting again? I completed a much smaller, studs to lights build about a year ago. My only real gripe is where I placed one or two of the outlets. They should have been a bit higher is all. Not much of a gripe really.

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Dispensing of the oil is from the syringes it is stored in, just a little pressure on the plunger. As for the shelf life, according to Rick Simpson and his group at PhoenixTears, it has a very long shelf life. If kept in the refrigerator and well sealed, it should last years. So far I have one syringe that is from 9 months ago, which as been stored in a safe, and the oil is the same as when it was first made. It is probably the best way to store medical marijuana for long term, in oil form.

The main room that the flower closet is in, is around 135 sf. The closet itself is around 40 sf.

I have used the greenhouse vaporizer for sulfur, only needed to use it once though. I had encountered powdery mildew and the sulfur burner solved the issue 100%, never had an issue since. I only used the sulfur burner for a couple of hours in the grow room. I did two treatments during the time the lights would be on, but had the lights off. I do not recommend running a sulfur burner for more than 2-4 hours, or letting the sulfur burn. In my use, I only let the sulfur melt, I wouldn't allow it to burn. Just my opinion.

Would I have done anything different? Now that is a great question!
Well, fortunately not much would I do differently. I would have tiled the floor before starting a grow though. The fan speed adjusters, I wanted the type that mount on the wall, like what you would use for a household ceiling fan, but they were out of stock and I was low on patience! So I just got the speedster controllers, I have no complaints with them except for the wires being visible. Now that I know, I would have had my veg room completely rebuilt before putting the flower room in use. I underestimated the intensity of the 1000W HPS lights. My current veg room did not properly accommodate the new flower closet. There was not enough light in veg to where the plants had a difficult time adapting to the intense light in the flower room. If I just put the plants into the flower room without training them, they would end up with severe UV burn. Not sure if UV burn is the proper statement, but the plants had a difficult time adapting right away. My new veg room needs HID rather than High Output fluorescent. I may be able to better answer the question "Would I have done anything different" after completion of my future project, a new flower closet using (3) 600W HPS, with a little different shape of room, but very close in square footage. I have never used a 600 watt light before. It was a difficult decision with the first closet between (3) 600W or (2) 1000W lights. I went with the (2) 1000W because they were less expensive than (3) 600W. If I ever get the 600W closet done, and run a comparison between the two closet, I will be sure to report the results.

Thanks for the comments!

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Naw, just GrowGoddess from Michigan. Never used any other screen name when it comes to growing mj.

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I assure it was an Awesome compliment... Hell.. Check her posts... I've always had the same one myself.

Ga.

:420thought:Say, GroGo, if you have time and most likely you are keeping records of which types of ca & dose, etc. Would really be interested. I've read a lot of studies that imply, just as you, that mmj may cure some cancers. Am very interested in it. As, I believe people like you, with controlled growing and experimention can help to document.

There is no one like our precious Stinky! Just for a tidbit of info here: She and Image Reaper took 4th place in the Cannibis Cup a few years back with NorCal Daddy's Girl! I am sure we would definitely recognize a post by Stinky Attic. Oddly, I was thinking the same thing GG, but figured the post might get nuked and did not want the thread to change its' content!

Your purples picture and post is totally awesome. Haven't seen such pretty purples like that. Nice to know, better to grow in winter for color!:smokin: pr

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I assure it was an Awesome compliment... Hell.. Check her posts... I've always had the same one myself.

Ga.

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Oh yes, I took it as a complement. Thanks! I will be sure to check out those posts. I think I have heard that name somewhere, maybe in a magazine, can't remember.

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:420thought:Say, GroGo, if you have time and most likely you are keeping records of which types of ca & dose, etc. Would really be interested. I've read a lot of studies that imply, just as you, that mmj may cure some cancers. Am very interested in it. As, I believe people like you, with controlled growing and experimention can help to document.

There is no one like our precious Stinky! Just for a tidbit of info here: She and Image Reaper took 4th place in the Cannibis Cup a few years back with NorCal Daddy's Girl! I am sure we would definitely recognize a post by Stinky Attic. Oddly, I was thinking the same thing GG, but figured the post might get nuked and did not want the thread to change its' content!

Your purples picture and post is totally awesome. Haven't seen such pretty purples like that. Nice to know, better to grow in winter for color!:smokin: pr

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I have been keeping records on making the oil. So far though I have only made the oil mixed with 4 strains as recommended from Rick. I am hoping in the future I will have some records of the individual strains when making the oil, haven't reached that point yet.

I have done quite a bit of research on the oil and the effects on some cancers and other illnesses. There is solid evidence that the oil does shrink tumors and cures some cancers and other diseases. One patient I have encountered has severe gout. He took only a few doses of the oil, and the gout literally disappeared from his knuckles. Three months later, without taking any more oil, the gout had not returned to his knuckles and the gout on the rest of his body is still visible, but the swelling was reduced a bit. If he went through the full treatment, I believe the gout would be completely gone. There are many others doing studies and keeping records. More and more information is becoming available about the oil and its medicinal values. It is very exciting really. Like Rick Simpson says, "The plant cannot be patented" so the pharmaceutical companies are making sure that mj continues to be illegal or they will lose billions of dollars. Hemp used to be in almost all medicines 100 years ago.

Thanks again for your complements.

That is a good one. I am so for Legalization. I know so many with illness and unable to convince them to use Cannabis. Too 'old school.' Tried to convince someone last summer, only 82 yrs old to try it for multiple medical problems. Sometimes I wish I could figure out a way to avoid my guilt and slip some in pills to them! Not that brave though. I simply stick to 'education' and hope it sinks in!

Willing cancer patients--does it get much better? Don't think so! Took care of a friend 10 years ago and got some good grade to give and ended up using it myself to dull the affect of 'stubburness' of an idiot with cancer! Managed to get her Doc on the phone and explained on a Friday he needed to do something before the Sat. unable to keep anything down or 'in'. What a friggin mess it was. By Sunday had to get admitted to Hospital for 4 days due to ineffective case management. Was a popular HMO here. Raised hell with them for it. The doc 'vanished' within a month! When I get someone on my radar, I just don't quit. He was the director of the Cancer Dept!

Cancer, is not my field of specialty. But, has become a great area of continued education and research-as if we live to be 'old enough' we can manage to get some sort of cancer. Since, we all have cancer cells in our bodies, we need to learn more about, 'not feeding the random cells.' gotta go a 5 yr. old needs my attention! pr

2x 600w are the way to go. Considerably less heat and much better coverage. Plus you can get one ballast to drive both lights. The efficiency gains are considerable. What kind of ballasts are you running? I'm about to pull the trigger on a Powerhouse magnetic 400w HPS. Best quality ballast as far as I can tell. 8 year warranty.

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2x 600w are the way to go. Considerably less heat and much better coverage. Plus you can get one ballast to drive both lights. The efficiency gains are considerable. What kind of ballasts are you running? I'm about to pull the trigger on a Powerhouse magnetic 400w HPS. Best quality ballast as far as I can tell. 8 year warranty.

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I am running the 1000W switchable powerhouse ballast, 8 year warranty. Nice and quiet, low vibration, old school reliable in my book.

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I am running the 1000W switchable powerhouse ballast, 8 year warranty. Nice and quiet, low vibration, old school reliable in my book.

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Sometimes old school and simple is the only way. My $120 magnetic ballast has lasted me 4 years, while my fancy 300$ digital ballast lasted a whole 7 months before shorting out!

I was looking digital but the more I read about the electronic ballasts the less I liked what I was reading. Seems they have serious issues and the power saving is not that dramatic. After doing my homework I decided I want to go with a ceramic metal halide bulb which solidified my choice of a magnetic ballast as they don't run off of e-ballasts. Then I came across the powerhouse ballasts and was very impressed by the 8 year warranty. No one even comes close to that which leads me to believe they must produce a damn good product if they are willing to back it with that kind of warranty.

1 what are the strains work best for cancer, I heard anything over 20% of THC will work

2 are they're any other plant i can practice this method of extracting the oil, i am new at this

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1 what are the strains work best for cancer, I heard anything over 20% of THC will work

2 are they're any other plant i can practice this method of extracting the oil, i am new at this

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Great Questions!

Question #1 - It is unknown at this time as to what strains are best for cancer. It is not all about THC. There are 85 different cannabinoids in marijuana. We know THC shrinks tumors, manages pain, and has other benefits and it is strongly believed that the other cannabinoids have medicinal values and also have different effects.
I recommend using at minimum three different strains to make the oil and at least half indica dominant. I believe a good strain would be LA Confidential, it is a triple back crossed indica. Mixing multiple strains will ensure that you are getting a wide variety of different levels of cannabinoids. I do not recommend using plant parts other than the buds. For instance, I would not use leaves, stems, shake, or roots for medicinal use at all. High quality, well manicured buds is the best to use when making the oil.
This is a link to the Rick Simpson video "Run From The Cure". I strongly recommend watching this video before attempting to make the oil. In the video Rick mentions washing or soaking the bud material and straining two times. I usually do three washes. Also, in the video they show using outdoor grown marijuana. It does not look to be well manicured. I have only used indoor grown, well manicured buds. I believe the oil I am making is far more potent. For example: My cancer patients have not been able to consume the dosage amounts as recommended in the video. I believe it is because my oil is much stronger due to being grown indoors and having had high quality manicuring. RUN FROM THE CURE - Full Version - YouTube I believe that when using indoor grown well manicured premium buds of strains that are 20% or higher THC your oil will come out twice as strong if not more than Simpson's if not more. If a regular heavy smoker (cannabis) took a dose of the oil the size of a small pea for the first time, they would be "tripping" for at least 24 hours. When Rick says in his video to start with a very small amount, he is not kidding!

Question #2 - I really do not know myself of other plants that can be used with this method of extracting oil.

I would recommend watching the video and being fully prepared. Sacrifice a 1/4 pound of premium bud and make some oil. You will not regret it. It is a miracle oil. Far more potent than any joint you have ever smoked in my opinion. I am a believer about the oil's medicinal qualities.


Thank you for your interest and good luck to you. I believe that you will not regret making the oil, just be safe!

:thumbsup:Sticky here! Lets hope!:rasta: pr

Hey GG,

The video mentions a number of different base solvents for extracting. I know that some use isopropyl but I've also read that isopropyl leaves trace elements of known carcinogens. Can you comment on different solvents that can be used with pros vs. cons?

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Hey GG,

The video mentions a number of different base solvents for extracting. I know that some use isopropyl but I've also read that isopropyl leaves trace elements of known carcinogens. Can you comment on different solvents that can be used with pros vs. cons?

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Someone said in another forum acetone is another alternative, but i want to know how much solvent you need to use per pd

i would love to try some of that oil.....the problem is i cant get it and i dont have 1/2 lb of premiumn bud......thats cool that is very beneficial to people....

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Hey GG,

The video mentions a number of different base solvents for extracting. I know that some use isopropyl but I've also read that isopropyl leaves trace elements of known carcinogens. Can you comment on different solvents that can be used with pros vs. cons?

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I am no expert when it comes to the solvents. I made my decision on what solvent to use just on basic common sense. I felt that the 99% isoporpyl was by far the safest solvent. It is used in hospitals to swab your skin before getting a shot. It is considered safe for sterilization (even for cleaning your bong or pipe). I haven't heard of anyone concerned with the 99% isopropyl being toxic for sterilization. I purchased my 99% isopropyl alcohol at my local Meijer, I had to ask for it at the pharmacy because it was not on the shelf.

Pros & cons, in my opinion, 99% Isopropyl on the down side extracts some chlorophyll, but on the good side in my opinion is much safer. Naphtha on the down side, well it is used as an engine degreaser, in my opinion, it is more dangerous than 99% isopropyl on the good side for naphtha, it might not extract the chlorophyll but I am not for certain on that.

The chlorophyll leaves a bad taste when ingesting, smoking or vaping, and makes the oil dark, and if you ingest too much chlorophyll, you can get chlorophyll poisoning (diarrhea, vomiting, etc.). You are not going to get chlorophyll poisoning if you use quality buds and make the oil properly in my opinion. What is more concerning is the product you use. For example, say you use 4 pounds of leaves and stems, and you have to consume a much larger amount of oil because it is not that potent, then you are consuming large amounts of chlorophyll. When the oil is made right, it is very safe when it comes to the chlorophyll or using 99% isopropyl. What is really more important is how the buds were grown. Were chemical fertilizers or pesticides used? This is far more important because no matter what solvent is used those chemicals could also be extracted and end up in the finished product. That is why I grow only 100% organic in soil and I do not use any pesticides. I always recommend to anybody and everybody to make the oil yourself, because that is the only way you will really know what you are getting. I hear all the time of oil being at the dispensaries and such. So much of that is fake, low grade, diluted, infused with other oils, etc. In my opinion, those oils are not of full medicinal quality. When it comes to cancer and such, having the real high quality clean oil is most important.

With using the 99% isopropyl, there are ways of reducing the amount of chlorophyll extracted. One example is, if your buds were dry and frozen and the 99% isopropyl was also kept in the freezer, you can do two quick 5 minute washes. From what I understand, since the bud and 99% isopropyl are at below freezing temperatures the THC is more easily removed and the chlorophyll is more difficult to remove and the oil should come out a more golden color.

I have seen many debates about which solvent is best. If you drink too much water you can die from water poisoning. It is not so much which solvent, it is all about the product (the cannabis) and being certain to evaporate out the remaining solvent (as shown in the video finishing off on the coffee cup warmer) it is important to bubble out the remaining solvent with a coffee cup warmer, it can take up to 12 hours.

When using any other solvents that may have a small percentage of water, it can extract a percentage of the red oil out of cannabis. The red oil is water soluble and I have not heard any studies being done with the red oil. So I am not sure of its qualities good or bad. I do know that the 99% isopropyl does not extract it.

This picture is of red oil that I extracted after initially washing with the 99% isopropyl. After the remaining cannabis dried I then soaked it in water, filtered, and cooked down to extract the red oil, just out of curiosity. One example of the red oil is that the aroma of the cannabis was in the red oil. I think some studies need to be done on the red oil to see if there are any medicinal values in it. The red oil in the pictures have no THC. I made it for experimental reasons and I discarded it because I do not know if it contained medicinal qualities. I am considering in the future to have a sample tested.
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Here are some pictures of my cannabis soaking in the 99% isopropyl. I chose to do it in quart canning jars so I could shake it up real good and also see what is going on.
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I have a patient that has been ingesting and vaporizing the oil at least three times a day for approximately nine months now and I have had no complaints from him yet. Only complements and positive feedback.

Something else I do to reduce waste. When I get as much of the oil into the syringes as possible. To clean up the waste, I add a little bit of 99% isopropyl alcohol to thin it back out so I can coat some rolling papers with the oil using the back of a spoon. I put the coated papers onto some wax paper and let it sit out and dry (evaporate the iso) for a day or two. I will put one to three coats of the thinned oil on each paper taking care not to get any on the glue. Doing this will give a joint a little extra kick.

Here are a couple of pictures.

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i would love to try some of that oil.....the problem is i cant get it and i dont have 1/2 lb of premiumn bud......thats cool that is very beneficial to people....

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My first time making the oil I only used about 1/4 pound of bud. Here is a pic of that 1/4 pound which is four different strains.

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You do not have to use a whole 1/4 pound. The problem is that you get the same amount of waste (oil stuck to the sides of the pan, can't get into syringe, etc.) off of two ounces or two pounds. You can try to do it with only one ounce, it is just that it will be more difficult to get into a syringe, but it is a great way to try sampling it to see if it is what you are looking for.

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Someone said in another forum acetone is another alternative, but i want to know how much solvent you need to use per pd

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I would not recommend using acetone, but I am not an expert so I really don't know.

Here is just a rough guess of how much solvent. For one pound of cannabis, I would estimate that it would take (12) 16 ounce bottles of 99% isopropyl alcohol. The amount needed varies. It would primarily depend upon how many times you plan to wash the material. The density of the buds is also a factor. Each time I have made the oil the amount of solvent needed has been slightly different. Even when I use the same strains and the same amount of bud, the quality and amount of the oil seems to vary up to 20%. It is a little unpredictable. I would try to make sure there is some extra on hand just in case.

These are all great questions. There are some that I simply cannot answer. However, I believe that many of your questions can be answered here.

Phoenix Tears

Also, here is another video of a miracle cure with a type of cannabis oil that I recommend to view. Shona Banda wrote a book "Live Free or Die", she talks about her battle with crohn's disease. Shona talks about Simpson oil and I heard she speaks of the red oil in her book. I have not read the book yet so I cannot confirm.

Shona Banda - Live Free or Die - YouTube

I recalled reading about the Ispropyl issue some time ago. It's been sticking in my head so today I did a bit of digging on a different board and came up with some information written by Oldmac who taught me a GREAT deal, both directly and via his writings to others in various forums and boards. He was an AWESOME mentor. I have not seen him online for some time. OM I hope you are OK. We miss you!

Anyway, OM recommends using grain alcohol. I see the logic and it is the route I will go if I ever go down this road. I hope this adds to the knowledge base here and the discussion!

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By law each 100ml of "denatured" alcohol must contain no less the 355mg of sucrose octaacetate and no less then 1.4mg denatonium benzoate. These, especially denatonium are also added to anti-freeze, windshield wiper fluid etc. to keep people, kids and animals from ingesting such items. But signifacant amounts remain after denatured alcohol evaporates and even tho both are benign if ingested orally, the burning of denatonium benzoate has been shown to be a carcinogen.

Since I have spent the last 25+ years providing mj to cancer treatment patients and also hospice care patients (I see many from the first group later in the second group) I find that anything that falls into the carcinogen category offensive. Especially so when cause (exposure) to effect (cancer) can be 10, 20 or 30 years later.

If you want to take the chance...fine by me, but I would appreciate it if you did not pass along such a recipe to others. Especially since an alternative, grain alcohol, is available.

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I have seen this debate before and I have found through my research that there are many pros and cons to many solvents.

For example 190 Everclear has 5% water in it, which can extract the red oil from the plant material. If you are using chemical fertilizers, you will also be extracting that which in turn will end up in the finished product due to the fact that the fertilizers are water soluble, where the THC and other elements are oil soluble.

I stick with the fact that the quality of the cannabis and the quality of the method of converting into the oil, everything else is secondary. Also, all the people I have seen debate on many, many posts and sites, not once have I seen one of the people try both ways and do a quality comparison. In the future I myself would like to compare iso with 190 everclear. I forewarn, anything less than 190 everclear, it is a wast of money and time, in my opinion.

I have also read that comparing the toxins in the liquor or iso that the liquor carries half the toxins as the iso, so if I am not mistaken, it is probable that the remains of the liquor after processing the oil may also carry a percentage of carcinogens similar to the iso.

I agree, it is worthy to try. Thus far I have no reason to believe that the iso is more dangerous.

Now if he is talking grain alcohol like "moonshine", I have read that it cannot be used, that it is far more dangerous in many ways, I just can't remember the details.

Howzit Bigs.

The problem with that logic, is the confusion of denatured Ethanol with Isopropyl alcohol.
One of the few thing Oldmac ever got wrong.

Denatured Ethanol does indeed contain those denaturants and should never be used for tinctures, or extractions.
Un-denatured, ethanol, (Grain alcohol), is very expensive and I found it to be less efficient than I. A..


Isopropyl alcohol does not need, and does not contain, any denaturant
It is not necessary.

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Isopropyl alcohol is a sedative-hypnotic agent whose toxicity closely resembles that of ethanol, with which it shares strong structural similarity. Like ethanol, isopropyl alcohol's precise mechanism of action in the central nervous system (CNS) remains uncertain. Changes in membrane fluidity and/or function, and interactions with neurotransmitter receptors, are believed to account for the CNS effects of alcohols and other simple hydrocarbons. There is a linear relationship between the molecular weight of alcohols and their sedative effects: as size increases so does sedation. Thus, isopropyl alcohol is marginally more potent than ethanol at comparable concentrations.

Fatality from isolated isopropyl alcohol toxicity is rare, but can result from injury due to inebriant effects, such as untreated coma with airway compromise, or rarely, cardiovascular depression and shock following massive ingestion. Supportive care can avert most morbidity and mortality. It is important to differentiate isopropyl alcohol poisoning from methanol and ethylene glycol, which are more dangerous. Isopropyl alcohol does NOT cause an elevated anion gap acidosis, retinal toxicity (as does methanol), or renal failure (as does ethylene glycol).

In untreated animals, the median lethal dose lies between 4 and 8 g/kg. Many sources estimate the lethal dose to be 250 mL in humans (eg, less than 400 mL of a 70 percent solution). It is important to recognize that, with treatment, adults and children have survived much larger ingestions.
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Isopropyl will cause serious gastric disturbance if ingested.
(They still get idiots in the E. R. that try it.)
However, it does evaporate completely, leaves no residue, and is quite safe for oil extraction.

Last time O.M logged in to a sister board was 10/25/11. He left no message.
Old fart's got me worried.

Aloha,
Weeze

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Howzit Bigs.

The problem with that logic, is the confusion of denatured Ethanol with Isopropyl alcohol.
One of the few thing Oldmac ever got wrong.

Denatured Ethanol does indeed contain those denaturants and should never be used for tinctures, or extractions.
Un-denatured, ethanol, (Grain alcohol), is very expensive and I found it to be less efficient than I. A..


Isopropyl alcohol does not need, and does not contain, any denaturant
It is not necessary.

The skinny:
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PHARMACOLOGY AND TOXICOLOGY
Isopropyl alcohol is a sedative-hypnotic agent whose toxicity closely resembles that of ethanol, with which it shares strong structural similarity. Like ethanol, isopropyl alcohol's precise mechanism of action in the central nervous system (CNS) remains uncertain. Changes in membrane fluidity and/or function, and interactions with neurotransmitter receptors, are believed to account for the CNS effects of alcohols and other simple hydrocarbons. There is a linear relationship between the molecular weight of alcohols and their sedative effects: as size increases so does sedation. Thus, isopropyl alcohol is marginally more potent than ethanol at comparable concentrations.

Fatality from isolated isopropyl alcohol toxicity is rare, but can result from injury due to inebriant effects, such as untreated coma with airway compromise, or rarely, cardiovascular depression and shock following massive ingestion. Supportive care can avert most morbidity and mortality. It is important to differentiate isopropyl alcohol poisoning from methanol and ethylene glycol, which are more dangerous. Isopropyl alcohol does NOT cause an elevated anion gap acidosis, retinal toxicity (as does methanol), or renal failure (as does ethylene glycol).

In untreated animals, the median lethal dose lies between 4 and 8 g/kg. Many sources estimate the lethal dose to be 250 mL in humans (eg, less than 400 mL of a 70 percent solution). It is important to recognize that, with treatment, adults and children have survived much larger ingestions.
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Isopropyl will cause serious gastric disturbance if ingested.
(They still get idiots in the E. R. that try it.)
However, it does evaporate completely, leaves no residue, and is quite safe for oil extraction.

Last time O.M logged in to a sister board was 10/25/11. He left no message.
Old fart's got me worried.

Aloha,
Weeze

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Why thank you.

I am not qualified to properly debate on which methods of extraction are better or more safe. I do know that the 190 Everclear will not extract as much TCH as the 99% iso, and the end product (oil) will be more diluted.

I put my trust in Rick Simpson. He is more qualified than I am regarding methods of extraction. He mentions that the iso is a safe alternative to other solvents, so that is what I chose. From a cancer patient's view, like my patient, the iso method has already been proven to work. Using anything else that could cause the oil to come out more diluted would reduce my confidence in its effectiveness.

Bottom line, the most important thing here is that more qualified medical marijuana patients having the opportunity to get safe access to high quality cannabis oil. Also, for everyone in the medical marijuana community to be educated on the potential medicinal benefits of the oil.

Hey Weez, thanks for setting the record straight. I appreciate you taking the time to lay it out so concisely. I'm quite interested in the subject. And like anything we do, more learning is always a good thing. Hope you are well.

And thank you, G.G.!

This is an excellent thread!

Were it allowed, I'd rep you daily for it.

I know a li'l chemistry, a li'l electronics, some physics, medicine, dat kine sing.
Anyway that I can he'p, be not shy.

Aloha nui,
Weeze

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Hey Weez, thanks for setting the record straight. I appreciate you taking the time to lay it out so concisely. I'm quite interested in the subject. And like anything we do, more learning is always a good thing. Hope you are well.

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I try my 'umble best. :-}

Thanks for the concern.
If my home-brew oil is up to snuff, I'll be quite well.

Howzit with you, brah?

Weeze

GrowGoddess, thank you so much for sharing this information. Read a post on a different site of someone who put a years worth of AVB in a blender with 99%ISO and let it run for 10 minutes, Then strained, let the alcohol evaporate, and made candies with the remaining goo. Similarly I soaked a 1/2 oz of mexi-brick weed in 5 ozs of Everclear for 5 months, strained, let it dry and ended up with maybe a gram and a half of blackish/greenish hash like goo that was quite potent considering it's humble origins, which were worthless to smoke. I suspect that if either conconction were attempted with quality, all bud product, that the results would be of a similar nature to Rick Simpson oil. Think I'll get some 99% iso once Christmas is over.

Hi guys,

My first post here. I was trying to find perfect strain to make Rick Simpson Oil. He recommends any Indica strain that has 20% or more THC.
I have found on forums that Blueberry, LA Confidental, Buba Kush can be used to make RSO.
I did some RSO with 99% isopropyl alcohol and it's very strong. I don't know which strain I used. Didn't grow it myself.
My wife used it and she can handle only 2-3 rice grains of oil per day. It's very hard for her to increase the dosage. For sure it will take some time.
My questions are:
Are these strains OK to make RSO? Any recommendations are welcome.
Where to buy seeds? We live in Europe. Found some sites like Resin seeds, Rhino seeds, London Seeds centre, Amsterdam seeds,...
Should I buy feminised seeds?
I am planning to grow it and any suggestion on that are very welcome.
Maybe I should grow some strain which is easy to grow. I am interested in Indoor strains.

Cheers

Vac