I should know better - but here's the dumb question anyway

hi folks:
i've done two grows in two years and have pretty much just paid attention to what was happening to my plants and used good judgment. HOWEVER, i have this question: when a plant description says 8-9 weeks for a flowering time, does that mean flowering will be at it's peak in 8-9 weeks? i just bought some nirvana white widow seeds and have seen some vegging for 10 weeks alone (which seems excessive). i'm planning an indoor grow with 125W fluoro (which worked tremendously well with master kush last year).
thanks for your help.

id say start the budding and the 8-9 weeks on the description shows the time needed for when u switch to 12/12.

Booch

You are correct...the descriptions indicate the amount of time flowering is required generally to reach full maturity.

yea wtf are u talkin bout d1kraziethug?? its the flowering time, not the vegging time.

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Originally Posted by mellow mood

yea wtf are u talkin bout d1kraziethug?? its the flowering time, not the vegging time.

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read his post again, i understood what he meant, and he doesnt mean veg time 8-9 weeks
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to clarify my first post -- i saw reviews of nirvana white widow that said they vegged for ten weeks - then went into flowering for another 8-9 (i haven't grown it yet).
last year with the master kush, the plants started to show sex after five weeks. i immediately switched to 12/12 and harvested in another five weeks (the odor was simply too strong to cover up and the plants had to go). however, i'd say i cut only a week early. about fifty percent of the pistils had changed colors. the total growing time was 9-10 weeks (total growing time). hence, the questions of what the 8-9 weeks (or 73 days - or whatever) "flowering time." the kush last year flowered and matured in half the time indicated as "flowering time." any and all comments are welcome (and the master kush was a blast!)

Id say if you were to let it grow more after the alternating branches showed you would have done yourself better in the end.

and thanks for the defense notanovice ;-)

da1 -- i understood what you meant too (and you're right about the alternating branches). however, i started late in the summer so by the time the grow matured all the windows in the house were closed. the smell from the grow room permeated the house like stink on a monkey.

you coulda put some money into getting an air pump to suck all the stink out a window. If it was getting cold you could seal the open part of a window. Might be a little ghetto but I'd say it woulda been worth it.

da1 -- what is your opinion on ozone generators

half the pistils were colored? I thought people looked at the the trichomes not hte pistils. I thought most people had all the hairs turn colored.

anyways: how was the smoke of the Kush?

sugar:
i pulled some info from a couple if sites (but before you read that, in answer to your question: the master kush was very up -- to the point where i had trouble sleeping -- i harvested after five weeks of flowering -- i suppose if i waited longer it would've had a more "stoned" effect((it was fun either way))

In the primordial calyxes the pistils have turned brown; however, all but the oldest of the flowers are fertile and the floral clusters are white...Many cultivators prefer to pick some of their strains during this stage in order to produce marijuana with a clear cerebral, psychoactive effect." Robert Connell Clarke Marijuana Botany, pg 140.

"Eventually the pistils start to turn color from pale white to red or brown...When the glands have swelled and the pistil has receded into the false pod, the bud is ready to pick." Ed Rosenthal, The Closet Cultivator, pg 100.

"At the peak of florescence, all but the oldest of flowers have white pistil development...Another indicator is bouquet. When a plant is at the peak of florescence, it has a sweet and musky fragrance. Later, it loses the sweetness." Kayo, The Sinsemilla Technique, pg 125.

"The best way to harvest is to examine the resin glands on each bud. As they turn from clear to amber, that is the optimum time to pick. Buds usually mature from the top down, if grown under artificial light, and you will end up with more high-quality p ot if you pick each bud when ready. However, the plant will not just continue to produces buds at the same rate. Like any other plant, the flowering cycle lasts a specific period of time. If you wanted a further harvest of buds, the plant would need a second cycle of vegetative growth. This can be achieved indoors by simply turning the lights back up to a 24 hour cycle for a few weeks. Outdoors though, you are dependent on the seasons. Frost and long nights will usually kill the plant. Of course, such a strategy is only viable if growing a few plants. If your operation runs on an industrial scale, just drive the combine harvester through the field." (-peter alt.hemp posting)

Well booch I think ozone generators are a flying piece of shit! haha just playin but no What im planning on getting instead is one of those air purifiers from shaper image. This might be an ozone generator im not sure but it seems a lot more "understandable" as to calling something an "ozone generator" kinda seems like your some scientific super genius fuck. But the air pruifier things should do just fine seeing as they're easily cleanable, no noise, no moving parts (less of a fire hazard in my eyes), and don't use too much energy. And I think from what I remember, the ozone generators were like $300 or someshit when you can get the ionic breeze for like 130 off ebay. Plus it just seems more understandable for an indoor grow. I dunno though I could be wrong, but I don't see anything wrong with the idea.

Actually I've changed my position on the Ionic breeze thing and I'd actually rather get a bathroom or maybe a few bathroom sized ones (off ebay theyre about $20 a piece) for my setup considering I dont have too many plants going.

Da1,

If you think a little bathroom plug in Ionic breeze is gonna handle the stench, think again.

If your shit is gonna be good, its gonna frickin stink.

When I walk into the garage in the morning, the frickin place reaks like skunk and I havent even flowered yet.

I used a charcoal carbon activated filter taped over my exhuast outlet. It works wonders, but the heat builds up a bit because of the reduced air flow.

Right now, i put a serious ionizer into the exhaust pipe, and it works pretty good but you can still sense the weed smell if you know what you are smelling.

If heat isnt a problem, I suggest using a carbon active filter taped over the top of you r exhaust.

Plus, I dont know what flooding a plant with positive ions will do to the trics.

harddon:
so you're simply placed the carbon filter over the opening of the exhaust. for instance, let's say i'm venting through a dryer hose to an old dryer ven - now let's imagine this is the same as your set up, you would then cover the dryer vent with the carbon filter?
i've been doing some research and i've seend long, cylindrical carbon filters that look like they would fit at the end of some kind of vent hose (nothing seems to clear). a trip to home depot may be in order.
also, i was pricing squirrel cage fans on ebay (ahhh ebay - everything for the stealth grower). in your humble opinion, would a fan of this nature pull at least most/some of the stink out of a basement.
thanks
booch

Gosh I never saw a squirrel fan before.

To ventilate out, you also need to ventilate in. I have a 3.5 sq. ft. space and i use a 250cfm inline 6" fan.

I dont know what a squirrel fan does. I will take a pic of my exhaust this evening and post a pic here for you to see what I have done.

Happy Growing.

Hey Harddon you can make a carbon filter that takes the air out of the room from the side and returns it back to the room. No loss of airflow and it will still clean the air. Just a thought, that's what I do about odor. One Large Fart fan 5 16x24" filters and 6 pounds of active charcoal. One wood box and everything is inside the room clean and quit. cost me less then 100 bucks and lasts for 6 months then I just change out the coal and it's good to go again. Change out cost is about 30 bucks.

Well come on now Zandor...

You grow forests...not plants.

Here is my meager attempt at odor control. It works for my little setup.

harddon and zandor -- thanks for chiming in....
i'm growing in a basement -- a fairly large room. but it's the basement, and well, that smell rises. harddon -- i think your setup is ventilating a small grow room, correct? so you need intake on one side, exhaust on the other.

since i'm in this large space, i guess i need to simply exhaust the stink through an old dyrer vent (the squirrel cage fan would work for that). search ebay for it and you'll see what i mean. doing so would naturally draw clean air in (it hardly an airtight space).

zandor, what you're doing intrigues me. if what you're saying is correct (and i'm guessing a "fart fan" is a bathroom exhaust fan?), you just run that fan near the grow, with the filter somehow attached to the fan, and that removes the odors. that would be great. could you either explain exactly how you do it +/or if you have pics, that'd be great.
thanks again for both postings.
booch

It's just a wood box about 24�x18�x36� where you have air drawn in through the top with a furnace return grill about 16x20. Next you get 5 medium quality filters the ones with screen mesh on one side are the strongest. You can use 5 to 10 pounds of active charcoal from the fish store for each layer. I use 5 but next time I think I will add one more. You make a charcoal sandwich and use gray tape to seal the sides and make it one big thick filter. You build the box so the filters fit tightly on all sides. You have a stop of about ½� trim all around the part where the filters end so you can keep them in place and tight but do not restrict the air flow through the filter.

Next you have a 12â?� air gap between the bottom of the filter sandwich and another plywood sheet you attach the high volume fart fan (bath room fan) to the underside. This is about 18â?� from the top going down overall measurement. You should have about 18â?� of empty space for the return air to fill so you drill 2â?� holes along the bottom of the box for return air back into the room.

The idea is to pull the air through the filters clean the air with the coal and return the clean air back to the room. Mine is in the ceiling and has a duck return system back into the room. You need to build the same thing but in a self contained wood box.